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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 0:37:43 GMT
I want ME games to succeed, I don't want them to fail. I just don't think success = continued existence. Some of you guys defending the games has it all backward. We should not be the people with the most invested interests in Mass Effect Franchise, EA/BioWare should be the ones that has most to lose if ME fails. They should be the ones to please us and try to earn our grace so that they keep getting the money to pay their investors, not the other way around. If the fans ending up more dedicated to the game than the developer/publisher, you know the game franchise is going to shit. I think they're aware of that. Then why is the game so bad? Why the terribly cliched plot, the horrid animations, the seemingly innumerable glitches? If Bioware doesn't care, why should the players?
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Post by tziwen on Mar 28, 2017 0:39:49 GMT
I think they're aware of that. Then why is the game so bad? Why the terribly cliched plot, the horrid animations, the seemingly innumerable glitches? If Bioware doesn't care, why should the players? Ranting is carring.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 28, 2017 0:40:46 GMT
I think they're aware of that. Then why is the game so bad? Why the terribly cliched plot, the horrid animations, the seemingly innumerable glitches? If Bioware doesn't care, why should the players? Except that they do care, and the plot is playing it safe because of the baggage of being a Mass Effect Game. My whole video two pages back sums that up as to what I think the real problem with the game is: it's own legacy and the expectations we put on it. The technical issues with the animations and such do it no favors in the end either, and hold it back even further from reaching it's full potential.
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 0:41:00 GMT
3 games with Shepard was enough. It was a fun ride but he's dead now. Tali is dead. Garrus is dead. Liara's probably alive though... Anyway it's time to move on. There's nothing worse than writers that cling to the old and busted because they're afraid of embracing new ideas or of fans that want the same game over and over again with different sex scenes. Games stagnate enough as it is because publishers only want to make games that sell and think it's too dangerous to push the boundaries of development. People give Star Citizen a hard time for some of the things that have happened over the course of it's development but at least those guys are making a game to try and push the know limits of game design. AAA gaming today is just far too predictable. "There's nothing worse than writers that cling to the old and busted because they're afraid of embracing new ideas or of fans that want the same game over and over again with different sex scenes"- you realize you are describing Andromeda, right?
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 0:45:02 GMT
Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. For a "Bad" game, im having surprisingly much fun time with it. People enjoy Twilight as well, that has little to do with the quality of the plot.
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Post by kino on Mar 28, 2017 0:54:46 GMT
The contrariness of human beings. Some people like to act shitty. I suspect that the majority of people who are liking the game are playing the game and not posting on a fan forum.
Personally, I hope this games sales number exceeds expectations.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 0:56:06 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? So what do you propose? As supposed ME fans should we just buy the game so it doesn't fail and we get another one, where they don't have to do any changes because everyone bought MEA? Or do some (myself included) roll the dice and hope this game fails and that they make sure the next one is better because people weren't happy? I would rather have no MEA 2 and than run the risk of MEA selling great and thus we get another MEA game. Are you saying that anyone who doesn't like the game should just just shut up? Not make videos that show it's bad points? Not mock things that are quite frankly mockable? Some people paid over £80 for this game so if they're not happy with there return surely they have a right to make any videos they want that shows the game in a bad light? If everyone who doesn't like the game shuts up, how do people who don't know about the game get their info on the game including the good, the bad and the tired faces? Isn't that how most people choose games, they look at all sources and then make their own decision with an emphasis on gut feeling or even better friends or does everyone live in a vacuum and just choose games because of franchise and what the back of the box says (which is also an opinion but from the publisher). Franchise I can understand some, but what about that aren't a franchise? Or Are you simply saying that only good reviews and good word of mouth should exist? I'm failing to understand a lot of people on this thread as to what exactly they want people who are not happy with the game to do? Some say move along. Couldn't it be leveled right back at those that love the game to move along and play the game they enjoy? I think the biggest asinine statement made on any thread is that people are still upset over the Mass Effect 3 ending thus they give this game a poor rating or trash it. I'm sure a large amount of Fans of MET who were and maybe still are annoyed about the ending of ME3, still wanted to play a new ME game regardless of the ending of 3 and were looking forward to plenty new stuff to do, new characters, weapons and the replay-ability like the original MET. Do you know what, I bet some maybe bringing in the ME3 ending baggage to their own dislike of this game, but most of the disappointment I'm reading, seeing and having played the trial agreeing with, is the stuff that has been reported by people who don't like the game and even those that do and I don't see any ME3 ending hangover in a what I'm actually seeing. This post like others smacks of the same thing, which is even if you don't like the game buy it anyway or don't say anything negative otherwise we may not get another one, with the mindset that the next one will be better because...wait, how will they improve if people shut up?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 0:59:14 GMT
Because they're sad people with sad lives who need to find a job or get laid.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 1:11:04 GMT
Then why is the game so bad? Why the terribly cliched plot, the horrid animations, the seemingly innumerable glitches? If Bioware doesn't care, why should the players? Except that they do care, and the plot is playing it safe because of the baggage of being a Mass Effect Game. My whole video two pages back sums that up as to what I think the real problem with the game is: it's own legacy and the expectations we put on it. The technical issues with the animations and such do it no favors in the end either, and hold it back even further from reaching it's full potential. They may care but does EA? As you said "the technical issues with the animations and such do it no favors in the end either, and hold it back even further from reaching it's full potential". Does that sound like someone who cares or someone told to get the game out now? Either way, Bioware or EA, someone doesn't care and that effects the consumer. You mention legacy and expectations but an honest question, would this game sell at all if it didn't have Mass Effect in the title? Would Star Wars Battlefront Sell if it didn't have Star Wars or even Battlefront in the title? (Sold 13 mil I think I remember and was still panned by many). I remember playing Star Trek Online when it was first released and many times the question was labeled at it was if it didn't have Star Trek in the title, it wouldn't sell at all. Franchise names bring with expectations from said franchise fans who put a lot of money, time, love and passion into said franchise. If you want to use the franchises name in your title, then unless you have a very good or or better than good (doesn't have to be great) game, book, film anything, then you better expect to get a ton of flak. If this wasn't Mass Effect and was called Space Travels Andromeda, it wouldn't get anywhere near as much flak, however it wouldn't change the fact it's okayish. It might even lose more points for not being up to today's standards of TW3 or Zelda or Horizon.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 1:15:58 GMT
Because they're sad people with sad lives who need to find a job or get laid. Great stuff. Well thought out and says an awful lot about you.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 28, 2017 1:18:12 GMT
Except that they do care, and the plot is playing it safe because of the baggage of being a Mass Effect Game. My whole video two pages back sums that up as to what I think the real problem with the game is: it's own legacy and the expectations we put on it. The technical issues with the animations and such do it no favors in the end either, and hold it back even further from reaching it's full potential. They may care but does EA? As you said "the technical issues with the animations and such do it no favors in the end either, and hold it back even further from reaching it's full potential". Does that sound like someone who cares or someone told to get the game out now? Either way, Bioware or EA, someone doesn't care and that effects the consumer. You mention legacy and expectations but an honest question, would this game sell at all if it didn't have Mass Effect in the title? Would Star Wars Battlefront Sell if it didn't have Star Wars or even Battlefront in the title? (Sold 13 mil I think I remember and was still panned by many). I remember playing Star Trek Online when it was first released and many times the question was labeled at it was if it didn't have Star Trek in the title, it wouldn't sell at all. Franchise names bring with expectations from said franchise fans who put a lot of money, time, love and passion into said franchise. If you want to use the franchises name in your title, then unless you have a very good or or better than good (doesn't have to be great) game, book, film anything, then you better expect to get a ton of flak. If this wasn't Mass Effect and was called Space Travels Andromeda, it wouldn't get anywhere near as much flak, however it wouldn't change the fact it's okayish. It might even lose more points for not being up to today's standards of TW3 or Zelda or Horizon. Honestly...id say yes considering it's actually a pretty good game overall. If it wasn't Mass Effect I bet the scrutiny would be a lot less than what it is now by a lot of folks. The game being good is not a deathblow to the series though, that's the point. The expectation because of it's name is greatness or masterpiece, not simply just good.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 1:19:36 GMT
Because they're sad people with sad lives who need to find a job or get laid. Great stuff. Well thought out and says an awful lot about you. What's there to think about? Anyone who spends so much time hating on something so trivial to their lives as a video game need to reevaluate their priorities. There is no reason to rationalize their behavior with long winded excuses like expectations. It's pathetic.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 1:27:39 GMT
Great stuff. Well thought out and says an awful lot about you. What's there to think about? Anyone who spends so much time hating on something so trivial to their lives as a video game need to reevaluate their priorities. There is no reason to rationalize their behavior with long winded excuses like expectations. It's pathetic. I don't think you've thought out your responses? You spend the same amount of time on these forums defending this game as those who hate it so what makes it different for you? How many posts you made on these forums? Over 1000? Shesh buddy, maybe you need to re-evaluate your priorities? Maybe get laid also?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 1:32:59 GMT
What's there to think about? Anyone who spends so much time hating on something so trivial to their lives as a video game need to reevaluate their priorities. There is no reason to rationalize their behavior with long winded excuses like expectations. It's pathetic. I don't think you've thought out your responses? You spend the same amount of time on these forums defending this game as those who hate it so what makes it different for you? How many posts you made on these forums? Over 1000? Shesh buddy, maybe you need to re-evaluate your priorities? Maybe get laid also? I enjoy the game. Therein lies the difference.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 1:35:24 GMT
I don't think you've thought out your responses? You spend the same amount of time on these forums defending this game as those who hate it so what makes it different for you? How many posts you made on these forums? Over 1000? Shesh buddy, maybe you need to re-evaluate your priorities? Maybe get laid also? I enjoy the game. Therein lies the difference. Lol. Need a shovel mate? Keep digging. Now you basically saying that the only people who should post on these forums are people that enjoy the game? Love it.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 1:37:52 GMT
I enjoy the game. Therein lies the difference. Lol. Need a shovel mate? Keep digging. Now you basically saying that the only people who should post on these forums are people that enjoy the game? Love it. Of course not. You can dislike the game and point out why. Perhaps you like it but want to talk about what could be better. Presumably if you outriggt loathe the game and aren't a masochist, you'd move on to something you do enjoy. Cause you know. Games are for entertainment. Is this difficult to understand?
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 1:44:04 GMT
Lol. Need a shovel mate? Keep digging. Now you basically saying that the only people who should post on these forums are people that enjoy the game? Love it. Of course not. You can dislike the game and point out why. Perhaps you like it but want to talk about what could be better. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on to something you do enjoy. Cause you know. Games are for entertainment. Is this difficult to understand? And what about those who find discussion on this board more entertaining than the game itself?
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 1:44:43 GMT
Lol. Need a shovel mate? Keep digging. Now you basically saying that the only people who should post on these forums are people that enjoy the game? Love it. Of course not. You can dislike the game and point out why. Perhaps you like it but want to talk about what could be better. You know. Actual criticism. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on to something you do enjoy. Cause you know. Games are for entertainment. Is this difficult to understand? Ahh, going for the backtracking of my previous statement angle. I like it. Good try but no cigar. You were quite clear in your previous responses. Give courage to your convictions man. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on and not respond to people that clearly don't like the game or spend time in these forums not getting laid? Games are for entertainment and you clearly are enjoying MEA.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 1:47:15 GMT
Of course not. You can dislike the game and point out why. Perhaps you like it but want to talk about what could be better. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on to something you do enjoy. Cause you know. Games are for entertainment. Is this difficult to understand? And what about those who find discussion on this board more entertaining than the game itself? Ouch, I wasn't going to go there, but now that you have... I like it. Is it sad? Yep, but guess what, it didn't cost me £50 and I get better dialogue and meet better characters than MEA ever did on these forums. Even the PVP is better on here
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 1:50:52 GMT
Of course not. You can dislike the game and point out why. Perhaps you like it but want to talk about what could be better. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on to something you do enjoy. Cause you know. Games are for entertainment. Is this difficult to understand? And what about those who find discussion on this board more entertaining than the game itself? Do remember the discussion is aimed towards people who spend their time here hating on the game and wanting it to fail. Drawing entertainment from negativity is unhealthy. All there is to it.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 1:53:10 GMT
Of course not. You can dislike the game and point out why. Perhaps you like it but want to talk about what could be better. You know. Actual criticism. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on to something you do enjoy. Cause you know. Games are for entertainment. Is this difficult to understand? Ahh, going for the backtracking of my previous statement angle. I like it. Good try but no cigar. You were quite clear in your previous responses. Give courage to your convictions man. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on and not respond to people that clearly don't like the game or spend time in these forums not getting laid? Games are for entertainment and you clearly are enjoying MEA. Not you forgetting the context of this thread lmao
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 2:07:58 GMT
Ahh, going for the backtracking of my previous statement angle. I like it. Good try but no cigar. You were quite clear in your previous responses. Give courage to your convictions man. Presumably if you aren't a masochist, you'd move on and not respond to people that clearly don't like the game or spend time in these forums not getting laid? Games are for entertainment and you clearly are enjoying MEA. Not you forgetting the context of this thread lmao Lol. I don't know why I bother. Well actually I do. Lets see. You start off by insulting people - "Because they're sad people with sad lives who need to find a job or get laid."
Great contribution to this thread btw. You then basically say that it's okay for you to post because you like the game, but others cannot. When you get called out, you change your stance but it's still seen through. Can I refer you back to your insulting of others and thinking it's okay as it's in context of this thread and that you believe your okay to post because you like the game. That's my favorite.
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Post by solomace on Mar 28, 2017 2:08:57 GMT
And what about those who find discussion on this board more entertaining than the game itself? Do remember the discussion is aimed towards people who spend their time here hating on the game and wanting it to fail. Drawing entertainment from negativity is unhealthy. All there is to it. Yet insulting people is healthy? Got it.
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 2:14:14 GMT
And what about those who find discussion on this board more entertaining than the game itself? Do remember the discussion is aimed towards people who spend their time here hating on the game and wanting it to fail. Drawing entertainment from negativity is unhealthy. All there is to it. So aren't you disturbed by being entertained by Bioware's violent games? Shouldn't you be playing a nice game of cards instead or engaging in a sport?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 28, 2017 2:19:22 GMT
*chuckle* k I'll go slow.
My stance is exclusively about people who spend their time talking about how bad the game is and wanting it to fail, as the topic indicates.
I believe they are sad people who draw entertainment and satisfaction from negativity.
I offered advice in that they should draw enjoyment from things that are satisfying. I gave examples of alternate forms of satisfaction like having a job or getting laid.
I hope I outlined it enough. I understand that reading comprehension is a bit short around here sometimes.
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