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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 20:36:22 GMT
Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. Are you saying anyone who likes it in general? Or those who go to the extreme and defend the game or act like there's no issues (such as animations for example). I don't find an issue with people who like or dislike the game, I myself call it a good game as well. Would you have an issue with that? I do not care what people enjoy, it is their right. Liking something and that something actually being good are different things. Seeing people defend MEA's amazingly bad dialogue as an effort of "light hearted sci fi" like it was intentional or claiming it has side quests on the level of the W3, yes, these are fanboys and these are extremes they are going.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 20:37:09 GMT
So being good is not enough anymore? Every game ahs to be excellent or its crap? is that where we are now? Being good is great. But MEA is not good. It is mediocre. Many critics and a lot of fans say the same. So, there are a big number of people out there who believe it is mediocre. But the biggest problem is the lack of effort. That shows complete disrespect to the customers and fans for a company with such resources as EA and the experience of BioWare. This shitty content, bugged, with no emotional, silly dialogue, etc, it was all intentional in order to spend as little resources as possible, so they can make as much profit as possible. So, essentially, it is not about MEA being a good game or not. It is being that they are trying to sell something they intentionally made bad. They even misled the customers by saying that MEA takes inspiration from W3. Lies, generally, and lack of effort. So they deserve everything they are getting (not the harassments of course and the personal attacks).
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 27, 2017 20:40:47 GMT
Are you saying anyone who likes it in general? Or those who go to the extreme and defend the game or act like there's no issues (such as animations for example). I don't find an issue with people who like or dislike the game, I myself call it a good game as well. Would you have an issue with that? I do not care what people enjoy, it is their right. Liking something and that something actually being good are different things. Seeing people defend MEA's amazingly bad dialogue as an effort of "light hearted sci fi" like it was intentional or claiming it has side quests on the level of the W3, yes, these are fanboys and these are extremes they are going. That's not fanboyism. That's subjective analysis. Just like saying the Witcher 3 is overrated because of Geralt as a character is boorish and the combat is stiff and distracting. That's part of that same analysis. We can do that on any game. Defending the game by saying it has great animations, for example, would be fanboyism.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 20:42:06 GMT
I do not care what people enjoy, it is their right. Liking something and that something actually being good are different things. Seeing people defend MEA's amazingly bad dialogue as an effort of "light hearted sci fi" like it was intentional or claiming it has side quests on the level of the W3, yes, these are fanboys and these are extremes they are going. That's not fanboyism. That's subjective analysis. Just like saying the Witcher 3 is overrated because of Geralt as a character is boorish and the combat is stiff and distracting. That's part of that same analysis. We can do that on any game. Defending the game by saying it has great animations, for example, would be fanboyism. No. Saying that the dialogue is fine is fanboyism. Or, at worst, complete lack of knowledge about these things.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 27, 2017 20:47:49 GMT
A lot of the people who love this game (which is fine), don't seem to fully understand the repercussions of the general reception towards the game being very mixed, and projections for commercial success so far, haven't been looking great either. So regardless of whether or not you like the game, you need to look at the big picture here.
If you love Mass Effect: Andromeda, you should continue to love it. But you should also be concerned for the franchise right now. That's not doom and gloom, it's reality. Look at the tragic case of EA's handling of the Dead Space franchise if you don't believe me.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 27, 2017 20:51:21 GMT
That's not fanboyism. That's subjective analysis. Just like saying the Witcher 3 is overrated because of Geralt as a character is boorish and the combat is stiff and distracting. That's part of that same analysis. We can do that on any game. Defending the game by saying it has great animations, for example, would be fanboyism. No. Saying that the dialogue is fine is fanboyism. Or, at worst, complete lack of knowledge about these things. Well, you are wrong about that part at least. When you can prove objectively something is wrong with the dialogue outside of grammatical syntax or something of that nature, then we can talk about such things. As such, arguing that someone saying it's fine is a fanboy is disingenuous to your own cause, you have no argument to make in that regard other than attacking the opposing point of view. Also arguing a lack of knowledge is an appeal to your supposed "authority" on such things...an authority I highly doubt you really have, as none of us do in the end. What you are going on about is subjective taste. Nothing more or less. Saying it's not makes you sound really fucking foolish.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 27, 2017 20:51:33 GMT
Complaining about anything is preposterously useless, yet we all do it. You and I are complaining about each other's opinions like it mattered in any possible universe. However, it can be entertaining, it can be enlightening, and if nothing else it passes the time. I was not making fun of your English, and if it is your second language I am impressed with your ability and actually understand your usage error - I believed English to be your native tongue. If this is the case, I do apologize for this comment. If you are a native speaker of English, my comment remains. The SN in BSN stands for Social Network. Society doesn't always agree, and no one should be surprised by the divided community - BioWare has always engendered strong opinions; that's why many of us became fans and are still here. Matter of fact i'm french. But this isn't an excuse, i'ld bring a better english up. I agree about the social network thingie but if you trully want to rant about EA and being heard, This wouldn't be the best place to do so. The fact there are things you hate in this game is fine. You being public about those things is fine either. But i'm entitled to share my own opinion either and i don't carry nor swing any kind of sword. I just use my own experience trying to answer OP. Sorry for the bother anyway.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 21:00:53 GMT
No. Saying that the dialogue is fine is fanboyism. Or, at worst, complete lack of knowledge about these things. Well, you are wrong about that part at least. When you can prove objectively something is wrong with the dialogue outside of grammatical syntax or something of that nature, then we can talk about such things. As such, arguing that someone saying it's fine is a fanboy is disingenuous to your own cause, you have no argument to make in that regard other than attacking the opposing point of view. Also arguing a lack of knowledge is an appeal to your supposed "authority" on such things...an authority I highly doubt you really have, as none of us do in the end. What you are going on about is subjective taste. Nothing more or less. Saying it's not makes you sound really fucking foolish. Apologies. My face is tired.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 27, 2017 21:02:41 GMT
Well, you are wrong about that part at least. When you can prove objectively something is wrong with the dialogue outside of grammatical syntax or something of that nature, then we can talk about such things. As such, arguing that someone saying it's fine is a fanboy is disingenuous to your own cause, you have no argument to make in that regard other than attacking the opposing point of view. Also arguing a lack of knowledge is an appeal to your supposed "authority" on such things...an authority I highly doubt you really have, as none of us do in the end. What you are going on about is subjective taste. Nothing more or less. Saying it's not makes you sound really fucking foolish. Apologies. My face is tired. You should get that looked at then. Or maybe relax a bit before you go over the top again .
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Post by polaris on Mar 27, 2017 21:22:29 GMT
I can answer that question in three words: Red, Blue, Green Seriously, the end of Mass Effect Three destroyed (or at least tore asunder) the ME community and generated a LOT of ill will towards bioware. It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago. It is more than a little insulting to ask a question and then insult a person that gives you a reasonable answer that you don't like. I am not saying that MEA will fail, but (as I understood the question), you wanted to know why a lot of people WANTED it to fail sight unseen. I believe that the anger at Bioware is a very strong reason why.....and given that MEA is an uneven/mediocre game at best, this puts the franchise and Bioware in a very difficult position. If you aren't prepared to listen to people you don't agree with, don't ask the question.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 27, 2017 21:40:36 GMT
For me there's some of my complaints that come from a place of malice and disrespect to BioWare I think. It comes from the fact that they let ME3 sink as low as it did in the first place and after pissing people off with the endings they continued to act as if they were totally right to make the ending they did as if people simply weren't ready for it or that the distaste for it was just subjective. they kept playing the "But we couldn't have anticipated" card whenever they address the reactions to the ending and they're still doing it, and they're still saying they're proud of it.
To me Mass Effect 3 and its ending was the equivalent to "ruining a franchise" with is a pretty literal sentiment I know, but to feel that way and continuously hear BioWare go about as if that didn't matter and now we're just moving forward... pardon me, but if I seem skeptical of whatever came after Mass Effect 3 there is a great reason for it. They had a lot to prove with this game yet the entire internet including the critics and the journalists that DIDN'T care about ME3's shortcomings are laughing at BioWare over the result of Andromeda.
If someone keeps fucking up and has no self-awareness about it you want them to fucking fail for everyone to see so they can get the hint and start doing better, or just stop wasting our time. As it is I think Andromeda is going to be my last BioWare game, and I say that as I'm playing it. Inquisition I tried excusing for a time until I started to realize on my second playthrough that I just wasn't really that fond of the game when everything was said and done.
If something you love turns sour you just want it to disappear, and BioWare insisting on trying to move on from ME3 and carry the corpse that is the Mass Effect Franchise into yet another contrivance and then even not handle that properyl -- I mean, they're beyond done with this series but they still seem to think everything Mass Effect is as it should be.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 27, 2017 21:47:03 GMT
Are you saying anyone who likes it in general? Or those who go to the extreme and defend the game or act like there's no issues (such as animations for example). I don't find an issue with people who like or dislike the game, I myself call it a good game as well. Would you have an issue with that? I do not care what people enjoy, it is their right. Liking something and that something actually being good are different things. Seeing people defend MEA's amazingly bad dialogue as an effort of "light hearted sci fi" like it was intentional or claiming it has side quests on the level of the W3, yes, these are fanboys and these are extremes they are going. Thing is, something has to be good for someone to enjoy it. I'm not going to enjoy playing a bad game. You're trying to dictate what is good and isn't, and then condemn those who call Andromeda good. i can understand having issues with people who say the animations are fine, or the so-so story, etc etc. but even then I can name out what I view as positives, and if I can see more than negatives and still enjoy the game I'm going to say it's a good game. I think andromeda better than ME2 and 3. It's the closest thing to what ME1 was, an open world esq type of game set on exploration. Something 2 and 3 failed at and it went vs what I expected out of the franchise. I put thousands of hours into those games too but I still didn't like the direction it took when it came to corridor based combat and minimal to no exploration at all. Story aside, Andromeda gameplay and the idea is why I view it better than mass effect 2 and 3. All I can say is if people have issues with that perspective is to just deal with it and move on. It's going to be the same thing I'd say to people going with the assumption that I support mediocrity, when I really don't, I do I fact always want each game to be the best it can be, but it's quite ridiculous that when one view differs from another on how a game should be, there's always someone just wanting mediocrity just cuz someone else chose to Put those words in their mouth. So quite honestly, if you seriously think anyone who says andromeda is a good game are fanboys then I guess they should just keep being fanboys, as I don't see an issue there. So long as they have reasons, that's all that's needed to support that stance.
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 27, 2017 21:52:21 GMT
The reason so many want this to fail, quite honestly, is I think people are FED UP with Bioware's SJW pandering and of course, the atrocious animation that seems to plague MEA. That's all there is to it, really. Add some lighter skin colors, fix the animation and fire the P.O.S. Manveer (already done), and I am certain this would be a winner.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 27, 2017 22:04:04 GMT
For all the super-intellects that can't understand why there is criticism of this game: Mass Effect, like any other smartly, written science fiction opera, has a legion of fans that hold it in the same light as Star Wars or Star Trek. Even those fans, are divided by genre of the same universe. Mass Effect is no different. I love the original series up until the terrible ending, but the journey is what hooked. I've played the game on a friend's PC (and I first blamed his rig for all the black screens, crazy physics and horrible audio. Then I come to find out, it's the game itself.
Bioware keeps a lot of artistic individuals and it provides for their families. I genuinely have a lot of respect for the folks at Edmonton, Montreal and in nearby Austin. I don't want to see them unemployed. However, I am a consumer and fan of the genre, the series and the "old" Bioware. I may come off as angry, but really it's just disappointment. I'm in the same boat as many other fans watching Mass Effect become a multi-player shooter (which is still cool) but it is far from being the space opera RPG that it once was. I fear for Bioware right now.
NOW PAY ATTENTION: EA doesn't care about you or me. It doesn't care about Westwood, Maxis, Pandemic or Bioware. It cares about turning out a profit and giving the studio the financial means necessary to do it. If Bioware fails again to meet EA's expectations (shut up fanboys, the bottom line is what matters) again you can wholly expect a division or the entire studio shuttered. Austin was gutted and an IP shelved to help Montreal. Bioware may have a presence there, but it's all EA now. Montreal was envisioned as the second studio to develop franchises (much like Bethesda used Obsidian to develop Fallout: New Vegas). There are growing pains to this, but my tolerance for EA and Bioware's complete lack of self-awareness in the Human Resources department just screams incompetence. It's disheartening and I am no longer hopeful. I have PTSD and nothing helps me like my dog Jack and playing a well-written fantasy like Origins, Mass Effect and to some extent Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition. I don't hate Bioware, I miss it.
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Post by shodanas on Mar 27, 2017 22:07:08 GMT
It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago. Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. You just fabricated a myth yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 22:15:14 GMT
A lot of the people who love this game (which is fine), don't seem to fully understand the repercussions of the general reception towards the game being very mixed, and projections for commercial success so far, haven't been looking great either. So regardless of whether or not you like the game, you need to look at the big picture here. If you love Mass Effect: Andromeda, you should continue to love it. But you should also be concerned for the franchise right now. That's not doom and gloom, it's reality. Look at the tragic case of EA's handling of the Dead Space franchise if you don't believe me. Wherever would we be if we didn't have you here to educate us, tell us how we should feel and what we should worry about?
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 27, 2017 22:19:05 GMT
I know this is just anecdotal. But I went to Wall-mart last Thursday. There were exactly 11 copies of MEA. I went there today again. Not a single one had been sold. Just saying.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 27, 2017 22:21:05 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? I dont really think EVERYONE thinks so badly of this game, its just a certain group of people screaming and crying. a poll here on BSN showed about 3/4 of the people here liked or loved this game. on a poll (link below) I found at another site, MEA is well liked fenixbazaar.com/2017/03/21/mass-effect-andromeda-where-to-find-rare-and-ultra-rare-minerals-and-materials/2/ - poll at bottom of page 1200 say great, 380 say good, 140 say ehhh, 99 say bad. I have yet to find a poll that a majority dislike the game. The haters you see are the same people over and over and over and over... .
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Mar 27, 2017 22:25:26 GMT
Because voting with your wallet is the only criticism EA and today's Bioware understand. I want the next game to be great because I still have faith in them (and I hold a positive opinion about DA:I). The ME franchise should have finished with ME3 if ME:A is what they are going to do.
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 27, 2017 22:29:40 GMT
Because voting with your wallet is the only criticism EA and today's Bioware understand. I want the next game to be great because I still have faith in them (and I hold a positive opinion about DA:I). The ME franchise should have finished with ME3 if ME:A is what they are going to do. Totally agree.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 27, 2017 23:03:19 GMT
I know this is just anecdotal. But I went to Wall-mart last Thursday. There were exactly 11 copies of MEA. I went there today again. Not a single one had been sold. Just saying. Or... and I'm just throwing this out there you understand.. they replaced the boxes...
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 27, 2017 23:32:56 GMT
This has become another pointless bickering thread. Anyone who is emotionally scarred by something is always going to be irate about that which scarred them in the first place. And has already been stated Bioware games do emotionally scar. All to say is simple: Either you like Bioware games or you don't. If you do... Good and enjoy your time here. If you don't... Then take a proactive role in changing what products are brought to the masses. Don't beat, clobber and cyber-bully in anonymity. For that helps no one -It is one of the theorized reasons why the original BSN was shut down. Withholding your money? Congrats. You are $60-$100+ richer. Does that really hurt EA this time around? I doubt it. Unless you can get millions to do the same like was done with ME3. Not so involved this time around are the haters. One way or another it all ends: lovelace-media.imgix.net/uploads/344/ea339ed0-6cc4-0132-1822-0a7dfd902b7c.gif
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 27, 2017 23:44:02 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? Because what they wanted was a ME4 game that would have "fixed" the endings (although how would be a complete and total nightmare of a retcon) and continue on with Shepard and company. Now I LOVE ME:A, but I don't think of it as a sequel but as a spin-off like Star Trek: The Next Generation (and the rest of the Star Trek TV shows) they're set in the same universe just in different times (either before or after the original series). That is why besides some of the vastly overblown technical issues (I've played that game and I haven't seen any major bugs and the few that I have seen are just minor annoyances at best) is I think some people are having a hard time with ME:A, to quote Liara from ME2 "I couldn't let you go Shepard." They want BioWare to fix the endings or pick one and start a new adventure with her/him because they can't let it go, and some these so-call "fans" most likely they never will. Just like Captain Kirk and Captain Picard some will never (or at the very least take a LONG time) to accept Pathfinder Ryder as the equal to Commander Shepard. In short: If the original trilogy was Star Trek: The Original Series then ME:A is Star Trek: The Next Generation. Commander Shepard and her adventures will always have a special place in my heart, but I'm already wanting to see ME:A 2 and see where they go with the crew of the Tempest.
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 0:30:01 GMT
Mixture of the ME3 ending, no more shepard and complaints that women and gay people now apparently exist when they didn't before. I thought the complaint was about Bioware creating 'queer-coded' females and daring to make them heterosexual.
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