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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 16:58:00 GMT
Perfect! Why thank you. You may extend this list if you'ld feel like it All I can add is bitterness about ME3 that some still can't let go of, and thinking every game today has to have the best graphics, most realistic everything, even if it kills your system.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 27, 2017 16:58:34 GMT
Unless we get a new team developing the next Mass Effect, there is no point in having another game. In your opinion, from the top of your mind, your belief is, you think, your guts tell you that, as far as you're concerned... Dialetic. To articulate an opinion in the shape of a true affirmation is cheating in any discussion or debate. And i won't allow you to cheat my good sir!
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Mar 27, 2017 16:59:49 GMT
Unless we get a new team developing the next Mass Effect, there is no point in having another game. Related: Unless ME4 happens and addresses the ME3 endings in a way that is palatable to the audience, the series is never going to recover. Which is why I want Andromeda abandoned ASAP. I'd rather they just go back to the main series or move on to a new IP altogether.
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Post by logram on Mar 27, 2017 17:03:31 GMT
lol there is a million and 1 reason for this or that but the truth is i personaly dont give a Flying F... about bioware other then the fact that they have made alot of my favorite games over the years and thats as far i care about Bioware.
Second i am not here to belittle the game so i can feel that i am a part of this group or that group i am here because i paid roughly 70 dollars for this game (in my country) and looking past the fact that the game IS broken and bug ridden i simply think its sad that this game can be called a Mass Effect game.
5 year long, AAA game from a studio who has made 3 ME games before should not have made this god awfull game and called it MASS EFFECT!! and they should under No Circumstances have demanded Full Price for it aka the 70 dollars.
and its that simpel!
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 27, 2017 17:05:35 GMT
Where is this SJW stuff I hear everybody talking about?
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 27, 2017 17:07:46 GMT
Unless we get a new team developing the next Mass Effect, there is no point in having another game. Related: Unless ME4 happens and addresses the ME3 endings in a way that is palatable to the audience, the series is never going to recover. Which is why I want Andromeda abandoned ASAP. I'd rather they just go back to the main series or move on to a new IP altogether. Ah, you're one of those. One of those that wants an ME4 even though you know it's never going to happen because it can't happen. Unless they make like... 3 or 4 different versions. ME4: Green ME4: Red ME4: Blue ME4: Where are the humans?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 17:07:53 GMT
People wanting this game to fail, fail to realize that if this game doesn't sell well, then EA might shut down the entire franchise. Then they'll realize how stupid they(the "fans") were when there will be no more ME to hate. Conclusion: we will become poorer as gamers because a great franchise was killed by whining and annoying "fans" that love to hate what they are supposedly fans of.
This doesn't excuses the BW failures on their part and this is where we (the fans) should provide well-thought, politely formulated, constructive criticism (and not supid MEMES) so that ME will be successful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 17:09:02 GMT
I for one, hope that Bioware will return the series to the Milky Way because that is where Mass Effect belongs. Andromeda might as well have been a Sci-Fi universe in of itself with no connection to the orignal premise of the Mass Effect trilogy.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 27, 2017 17:18:14 GMT
Unless we get a new team developing the next Mass Effect, there is no point in having another game. Related: Unless ME4 happens and addresses the ME3 endings in a way that is palatable to the audience, the series is never going to recover. Which is why I want Andromeda abandoned ASAP. I'd rather they just go back to the main series or move on to a new IP altogether. Heh, in a way that is palatable to the audience? Absolutely impossibru. However one may feel about the endings, accounting for all those variables is a total clusterfuck that necessitates retcons galore, and there's no way to make that appealing to the majority of fans. Anyone holding to hope that the Milky Way has a chance shouldn't hold their breath. Personally I'd rather let the Milky Way die altogether and keep my space opera shooter. They'll likely not make anything else like it, and I honestly don't expect any other devs to do one like it anytime soon either.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 27, 2017 17:20:15 GMT
Wahhhhhhh. I will try to cover this the best i can. 1) People want to belong in a group. Feeling like you've mates to share your opinion with or simply being part of a movement is important to most. Internet allows you to build a commfy nest of people agreeing wiith you ignoring others. So some people are rough with this game just to belong in a group. 2) Because nowaddays being rough and tough with a game is assimilated with "knowing stuff" or "having been around ". Mental acuity is mixed with critisism quite alot and people would ackowledge you as an expert for being a dick to somebody's else work. 3) Because some players are tied to BW or ME to an emotional level and seeing this game not being what they expected or wanted is felt as treason. People reacts with their hurt feelings in mind not with objectivity. 4) Because some people are mean by nature or are frustrated in life and use internet as a space of liberty to express their darker side or mood with no concequences. Saying bad stuff or running a mock about a game others like is their pleasure. 5) Because the game isn't perfect and the technical issues are a big "NONO" to some folks. They expect their big name RPG to be pristine in all aspects. 6) Because hype train. It's hyped to bash BW and use memes such as "My face is tired". People want to be cool. 7) Because we aren't all equal to video games. ME:A falls in the "Alpha Protocol" category. Some will tell you it's an hidden gem others would tell you it's a shitty game. ME:A asks alot to be appreciated. Not every want/can give all what's necesary to appreciate the game. 8) Because it was marketed as better than the final products quality. 9) Because trolling forums is... A pass time activity... The toxicity of our city of our city... Sorry i had to do it. What a load of shit this post is. 1) My opinions are my own. Yours are yours, I think. Two edges to that sword, Illuminated One. 2) Learn your vocabulary. That is a poor usage of assimilate that I can only understand through context and is noy how the word is used. That said, mental acuity does mean something, and yours may be lacking. 3) Just as some blind asshats love this game despite it admittedly being full of bugs and poorly polished. Again, the sword... it has two edges. 4) Lol. Some people are mean, by nature, to a corporation that they believe has fucked them. Some people are mean to people they think are being mean to the corporation they love blindly. This sword concept.... 5) Jesus fucking christ. 6) Your face probably is tired. 7) This is an actual valid point, holy shit. 8) See #5 9) You are trolling too, and you are unable to see the sword you swung coming back to cut your own head off. FFS, try to think outside your cozy little shitbox occasionally.
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 27, 2017 17:20:41 GMT
I want ME games to succeed, I don't want them to fail. I just don't think success = continued existence.
Some of you guys defending the games has it all backward. We should not be the people with the most invested interests in Mass Effect Franchise, EA/BioWare should be the ones that has most to lose if ME fails. They should be the ones to please us and try to earn our grace so that they keep getting the money to pay their investors, not the other way around. If the fans ending up more dedicated to the game than the developer/publisher, you know the game franchise is going to shit.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 17:23:26 GMT
The series has more to fear from those who try to defend MEA.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 17:25:18 GMT
Wahhhhhhh. I will try to cover this the best i can. 1) People want to belong in a group. Feeling like you've mates to share your opinion with or simply being part of a movement is important to most. Internet allows you to build a commfy nest of people agreeing wiith you ignoring others. So some people are rough with this game just to belong in a group. 2) Because nowaddays being rough and tough with a game is assimilated with "knowing stuff" or "having been around ". Mental acuity is mixed with critisism quite alot and people would ackowledge you as an expert for being a dick to somebody's else work. 3) Because some players are tied to BW or ME to an emotional level and seeing this game not being what they expected or wanted is felt as treason. People reacts with their hurt feelings in mind not with objectivity. 4) Because some people are mean by nature or are frustrated in life and use internet as a space of liberty to express their darker side or mood with no concequences. Saying bad stuff or running a mock about a game others like is their pleasure. 5) Because the game isn't perfect and the technical issues are a big "NONO" to some folks. They expect their big name RPG to be pristine in all aspects. 6) Because hype train. It's hyped to bash BW and use memes such as "My face is tired". People want to be cool. 7) Because we aren't all equal to video games. ME:A falls in the "Alpha Protocol" category. Some will tell you it's an hidden gem others would tell you it's a shitty game. ME:A asks alot to be appreciated. Not every want/can give all what's necesary to appreciate the game. 8) Because it was marketed as better than the final products quality. 9) Because trolling forums is... A pass time activity... The toxicity of our city of our city... Sorry i had to do it. FFS, try to think outside your cozy little shitbox occasionally. You should do the same thing.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 17:25:51 GMT
I want ME games to succeed, I don't want them to fail. I just don't think success = continued existence. Some of you guys defending the games has it all backward. We should not be the people with the most invested interests in Mass Effect Franchise, EA/BioWare should be the ones that has most to lose if ME fails. They should be the ones to please us and try to earn our grace so that they keep getting the money to pay their investors, not the other way around. If the fans ending up more dedicated to the game than the developer/publisher, you know the game franchise is going to shit. I think they're aware of that.
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Post by unwanted on Mar 27, 2017 17:27:58 GMT
I don't want it to fail, no way. But I do want to send a clear message to the like's of EA, that when we pay the bill in full we expect a full product, and not some 'That will do half arsed' product.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 27, 2017 17:44:05 GMT
FFS, try to think outside your cozy little shitbox occasionally. You should do the same thing.
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Post by Laughing_Crow on Mar 27, 2017 17:52:42 GMT
I'd like it to succeed for various reasons. After having played it a lot, BioWare have done a great job with this and obviously have a talented crew and I'd like to see it continue as a series. Yes, it has bugs and warts - not too difficult to expect with 40 something gigs of data. As long as they're addressed by EA/BioWare, I hope they expand on it. However, it would help a lot if EA policy did a 180 and allow modding, so some of the problems and concerns could be addressed by the talented community of modders.
Unfortunately, it doesn't take much to undermine things via the Internet and keep the hype trains running. However, this hype is very much the same as gossip or the advertising and marketing drivel that we're confronted with daily - maybe it's a reflection of the over-marketing we're stuck with. For each piece of junk mail and spam you dump, there's another one replacing it. (Everytime I visit someone with a TV, I'm thankful I dumped mine years ago.) I don't know why more people aren't skeptical or just skip over it. Or make an effort to find out for themselves.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 27, 2017 17:58:26 GMT
The whole hating and Sjw thing really is low IQ stuff. Andromeda sure has many issues (i own the game but i wont play it yet) but wanting it to fail cause of SJW bullshit is another thing I hate the SJW stuff too to be honest. Most of what can be said, has been said though. Racist Designers, lecturing narrative, yadda yadda. There are legitimate criticisms for these too. A lot of folks will complain about these things, and still not want the game to fail. (Like me.) I try to be fair when I do criticize, explain that I am actually having fun with the game, but when I get lectured about fracking in a fantasy game...well...that tends to ruin my immersion. Believe me i hate Sjws too. Manverr needs punching imo but this whole bioware-sjw thing is overblown.
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Post by Ancient on Mar 27, 2017 18:00:18 GMT
Because that part gaming community is made of immature idiots. Like any other community. Check music for example, how many loyal idiots hate other bands and start flame wars. The human species has a long way to go. Sure baby! The reason why MEA happened is ignorant human race who supported and praised previous mediocre titles, from other companies too. Again, if you support mediocrity, sooner or later your favorite game will be the same. That's how things work. MEA doesn't surprise me at all. I expected this.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Mar 27, 2017 18:00:30 GMT
Related: Unless ME4 happens and addresses the ME3 endings in a way that is palatable to the audience, the series is never going to recover. Which is why I want Andromeda abandoned ASAP. I'd rather they just go back to the main series or move on to a new IP altogether. Ah, you're one of those. One of those that wants an ME4 even though you know it's never going to happen because it can't happen. Unless they make like... 3 or 4 different versions. ME4: Green ME4: Red ME4: Blue ME4: Where are the humans? It's true, I am. I think that they could probably handle it like they did DA:O and have an intro that is wildly different but a general plot that is more or less the same. Endings can absolutely have an impact, but shouldn't decide how the story really goes. Related: Unless ME4 happens and addresses the ME3 endings in a way that is palatable to the audience, the series is never going to recover. Which is why I want Andromeda abandoned ASAP. I'd rather they just go back to the main series or move on to a new IP altogether. Heh, in a way that is palatable to the audience? Absolutely impossibru. However one may feel about the endings, accounting for all those variables is a total clusterfuck that necessitates retcons galore, and there's no way to make that appealing to the majority of fans. Anyone holding to hope that the Milky Way has a chance shouldn't hold their breath. Personally I'd rather let the Milky Way die altogether and keep my space opera shooter. They'll likely not make anything else like it, and I honestly don't expect any other devs to do one like it anytime soon either. Oh, I definitely don't think it's very likely to happen. But if it ever does? That'd be great. A remaster would also work. Especially if the update has endings aren't utter cliffhangers like the original trilogy.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 27, 2017 18:10:31 GMT
Related: Unless ME4 happens and addresses the ME3 endings in a way that is palatable to the audience, the series is never going to recover. Which is why I want Andromeda abandoned ASAP. I'd rather they just go back to the main series or move on to a new IP altogether. Ah, you're one of those. One of those that wants an ME4 even though you know it's never going to happen because it can't happen. Unless they make like... 3 or 4 different versions. ME4: Green ME4: Red ME4: Blue ME4: Where are the humans? I'd vote for ME4: It was all a dream Shepard had on the way from Eden Prime to the Citadel ME4: It was all a bunch of stories some crazy old geezer was telling his grandkid ME4: None of the above (yellow with a hint of sienna ending)
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Post by tziwen on Mar 27, 2017 18:32:48 GMT
Wahhhhhhh. I will try to cover this the best i can. 1) People want to belong in a group. Feeling like you've mates to share your opinion with or simply being part of a movement is important to most. Internet allows you to build a commfy nest of people agreeing wiith you ignoring others. So some people are rough with this game just to belong in a group. 2) Because nowaddays being rough and tough with a game is assimilated with "knowing stuff" or "having been around ". Mental acuity is mixed with critisism quite alot and people would ackowledge you as an expert for being a dick to somebody's else work. 3) Because some players are tied to BW or ME to an emotional level and seeing this game not being what they expected or wanted is felt as treason. People reacts with their hurt feelings in mind not with objectivity. 4) Because some people are mean by nature or are frustrated in life and use internet as a space of liberty to express their darker side or mood with no concequences. Saying bad stuff or running a mock about a game others like is their pleasure. 5) Because the game isn't perfect and the technical issues are a big "NONO" to some folks. They expect their big name RPG to be pristine in all aspects. 6) Because hype train. It's hyped to bash BW and use memes such as "My face is tired". People want to be cool. 7) Because we aren't all equal to video games. ME:A falls in the "Alpha Protocol" category. Some will tell you it's an hidden gem others would tell you it's a shitty game. ME:A asks alot to be appreciated. Not every want/can give all what's necesary to appreciate the game. 8) Because it was marketed as better than the final products quality. 9) Because trolling forums is... A pass time activity... The toxicity of our city of our city... Sorry i had to do it. What a load of shit this post is. 1) My opinions are my own. Yours are yours, I think. Two edges to that sword, Illuminated One. 2) Learn your vocabulary. That is a poor usage of assimilate that I can only understand through context and is noy how the word is used. That said, mental acuity does mean something, and yours may be lacking. 3) Just as some blind asshats love this game despite it admittedly being full of bugs and poorly polished. Again, the sword... it has two edges. 4) Lol. Some people are mean, by nature, to a corporation that they believe has fucked them. Some people are mean to people they think are being mean to the corporation they love blindly. This sword concept.... 5) Jesus fucking christ. 6) Your face probably is tired. 7) This is an actual valid point, holy shit. 8) See #5 9) You are trolling too, and you are unable to see the sword you swung coming back to cut your own head off. FFS, try to think outside your cozy little shitbox occasionally. I'm not sure i wanna go any further into this. You're way to make a point is to denigrate my mind, my english and my person in general. And i do believe you've lost your way sayiing this: "Lol. Some people are mean, by nature, to a corporation that they believe has fucked them. Some people are mean to people they think are being mean to the corporation they love blindly. This sword concept...." Complaining about EA on a fan made website about BW games is preposterously useless and -sorry to say- not usefull. We're people who like BW games for what they are... Not for what they could be without EA.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 27, 2017 18:43:38 GMT
Complaining about anything is preposterously useless, yet we all do it. You and I are complaining about each other's opinions like it mattered in any possible universe.
However, it can be entertaining, it can be enlightening, and if nothing else it passes the time.
I was not making fun of your English, and if it is your second language I am impressed with your ability and actually understand your usage error - I believed English to be your native tongue. If this is the case, I do apologize for this comment. If you are a native speaker of English, my comment remains.
The SN in BSN stands for Social Network. Society doesn't always agree, and no one should be surprised by the divided community - BioWare has always engendered strong opinions; that's why many of us became fans and are still here.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 27, 2017 18:44:46 GMT
3 games with Shepard was enough. It was a fun ride but he's dead now. Tali is dead. Garrus is dead. Liara's probably alive though... Anyway it's time to move on. There's nothing worse than writers that cling to the old and busted because they're afraid of embracing new ideas or of fans that want the same game over and over again with different sex scenes. Games stagnate enough as it is because publishers only want to make games that sell and think it's too dangerous to push the boundaries of development.
People give Star Citizen a hard time for some of the things that have happened over the course of it's development but at least those guys are making a game to try and push the know limits of game design. AAA gaming today is just far too predictable.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 18:50:14 GMT
Even the most level headed of Mass Effect fans were going into Andromeda with some level of hype & expectation.
It was almost impossible to avoid.
When you look forward to something, and it's not up to the standard you were expecting, you get disappointed.
And make no mistake about it - Andromeda does not come anywhere near the quality of ME2 and ME3, on many different fronts (notable exception being the combat).
So when you have a game that fails to meet that standard, people get disappointed, and disappointed people do what most disappointed people do - look for dissenting voices that agree with their own. That, in and of itself, is one of the reasons there's been so much bandwagoning and hitching onto the popular opinion surrounding Andromeda.
It's not that it's a bad game, or a game that can't be enjoyed.
It's that it's a game that failed to meet any sort of standard, and people are disappointed in that.
Justifiably so, might I add.
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