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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 18:52:40 GMT
^ With all that being said, worries / concerns / fears that Mass Effect is in trouble because of one bad game is nonsense.
Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are two franchises that have continued living despite subpar game releases, particularly because people still buy them.
There's a reason why review embargoes are held until much closer to release, if not the day of release - because that way, any negative perception of the game severely limits the impact it can have on sales.
Andromeda will have sold very well.
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Post by polaris on Mar 27, 2017 18:52:58 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? I can answer that question in three words: Red, Blue, Green Seriously, the end of Mass Effect Three destroyed (or at least tore asunder) the ME community and generated a LOT of ill will towards bioware.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 27, 2017 18:57:59 GMT
Wahhhhhhh. I will try to cover this the best i can. 1) People want to belong in a group. Feeling like you've mates to share your opinion with or simply being part of a movement is important to most. Internet allows you to build a commfy nest of people agreeing wiith you ignoring others. So some people are rough with this game just to belong in a group. 2) Because nowaddays being rough and tough with a game is assimilated with "knowing stuff" or "having been around ". Mental acuity is mixed with critisism quite alot and people would ackowledge you as an expert for being a dick to somebody's else work. 3) Because some players are tied to BW or ME to an emotional level and seeing this game not being what they expected or wanted is felt as treason. People reacts with their hurt feelings in mind not with objectivity. 4) Because some people are mean by nature or are frustrated in life and use internet as a space of liberty to express their darker side or mood with no concequences. Saying bad stuff or running a mock about a game others like is their pleasure. 5) Because the game isn't perfect and the technical issues are a big "NONO" to some folks. They expect their big name RPG to be pristine in all aspects. 6) Because hype train. It's hyped to bash BW and use memes such as "My face is tired". People want to be cool. 7) Because we aren't all equal to video games. ME:A falls in the "Alpha Protocol" category. Some will tell you it's an hidden gem others would tell you it's a shitty game. ME:A asks alot to be appreciated. Not every want/can give all what's necesary to appreciate the game. 8) Because it was marketed as better than the final products quality. 9) Because trolling forums is... A pass time activity... The toxicity of our city of our city... Sorry i had to do it. 10) Because Dutch
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 18:58:52 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? I can answer that question in three words: Red, Blue, Green Seriously, the end of Mass Effect Three destroyed (or at least tore asunder) the ME community and generated a LOT of ill will towards bioware. It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 19:04:01 GMT
I can answer that question in three words: Red, Blue, Green Seriously, the end of Mass Effect Three destroyed (or at least tore asunder) the ME community and generated a LOT of ill will towards bioware. It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago. Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 19:06:38 GMT
It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago. Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. I can't disagree. The number of excuses I've seen people make here for the poor response / reviews of this game, is staggering. From EA, to the endings, to the new engine, to millennials, etc. It's bizarre
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Post by derrame on Mar 27, 2017 19:10:26 GMT
Some hope it fails, thinking the developers will then learn, and make the games better next time around. Others just hate Bioware, for various reasons. Complain about SJW stuff, or the ending of ME3, etc. i don't hate Bioware, but i do complain about ME3 ending, anyone who played the trilogy knows it was as insult anyway, some people want that this game's problmes receive attention so the developers don't make the same mistakes with the next game
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Post by CatcheJagger on Mar 27, 2017 19:20:44 GMT
I don't want it to fail, but it is a very flawed game and with the series already tarnished reputation, things really aren't looking great going forward. I could lie and pretend that I think that everything's going to go fine, so that those of a more fragile constitution can feel better about the future of a franchise that they are fans of. However, I'd rather be honest about things. It might not fail, but it is not looking good.
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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 27, 2017 19:22:49 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? Because Bioware hurt people. The ME3 ending sent people into clinical depression. They blatantly lied after lying about DA2 previously. Then they lied about ME3. And Bioware continues to blatantly and intentionally lie. Then they gave an additional FU to a subset of idiots who thought we should be able to beat the Reapers conventionally (fucking morons) with the Refuse ending. Then they promoted Mac Walters instead of firing him.
Alfred: What do we do with those who hurt us, Master Bruce?
Young Bruce: We destroy them Alfred. We kill their dog. We kill your spouse. We kill their children. And then, when they can take no more and they wish for the sweet release of death, we paralyze them and keep them alive in our basements. Force them to watch the video of us killing their spouse, kids and dog over and over and over. They'll die of old age, paralyzed and in a small dark room regretting that they crossed us!!!
Alfred: NO, BRUCE!!! NO!!! We done the cowl of anonymity and make fun of them on the internet. We drag their name through the mud and try and convince as many people as possible not to buy their products. Jesus Christ, Bruce!!! You were not raised that way!! (wtf is wrong with this kid?)
Or, I don't know, maybe the game sucks and they don't think it should succeed. That could also be it. Did DAI get this kind of hate?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 19:26:35 GMT
... because they want BioWare to be soundly punished for not producing the type of game they wanted.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 19:30:16 GMT
Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. I can't disagree. The number of excuses I've seen people make here for the poor response / reviews of this game, is staggering. From EA, to the endings, to the new engine, to millennials, etc. It's bizarre Why don't you actually ask them why they like and defend the game
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 19:35:55 GMT
It's a post ME2 game by Bioware and is thus the worst thing ever to some people. Though despite how loud you think it may be. The hate for this game is nowhere near the vitriol that was around when DA2 and ME3 came out.
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Post by zan on Mar 27, 2017 19:39:26 GMT
People want the game to fail because it did not meet their expectations, and failure of the game will vindicate them in feeling that their expectations were shared among the majority of the players.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 27, 2017 19:45:14 GMT
Lol, 5 years development + 40 M budget, and the game failed due to 'toxic' fanbase. BW logic is just so awesome! Love it!
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 19:45:20 GMT
I can't disagree. The number of excuses I've seen people make here for the poor response / reviews of this game, is staggering. From EA, to the endings, to the new engine, to millennials, etc. It's bizarre Why don't you actually ask them why they like and defend the game Why? In a thread discussing the overall tainted perception of the game, the reasons for people liking the game are irrelevant. At no point has anyone said that people cannot, and should not enjoy the game. Just that the way people are constantly making excuses for it, is baffling.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 27, 2017 19:53:59 GMT
It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago. Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. Are you saying anyone who likes it in general? Or those who go to the extreme and defend the game or act like there's no issues (such as animations for example). I don't find an issue with people who like or dislike the game, I myself call it a good game as well. Would you have an issue with that?
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Post by jackdaniel on Mar 27, 2017 20:04:43 GMT
^ With all that being said, worries / concerns / fears that Mass Effect is in trouble because of one bad game is nonsense. Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are two franchises that have continued living despite subpar game releases, particularly because people still buy them. I theorize that in the long run, every game developer will end up developing very similar games between them. If I were BioWare, and I think I have the RPG market cornered, I will be incentivized to maker my RPGs more shootery so I can eat into the shooter market, while knowing that my RPG base won't migrate since I still make my game more RPGy then my competitors. Apply this logic and you see why ME1 became ME2. Again, once they think that they got shooter/ RPG genre down, so why not make it open world and eat into another market? This gives us MEA. The same logic would apply to other studios, where they will integrate more RPG element into whatever genre of game they make got get some of the RPG crowd. I think there is something in game theory that explains this effect. This is also the reason why the franchise will never die, because it will just morph into whatever it needs to be.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 27, 2017 20:12:53 GMT
^ With all that being said, worries / concerns / fears that Mass Effect is in trouble because of one bad game is nonsense. Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are two franchises that have continued living despite subpar game releases, particularly because people still buy them. I theorize that in the long run, every game developer will end up developing very similar games between them. If I were BioWare, and I think I have the RPG market cornered, I will be incentivized to maker my RPGs more shootery so I can eat into the shooter market, while knowing that my RPG base won't migrate since I still make my game more RPGy then my competitors. Apply this logic and you see why ME1 became ME2. Again, once they think that they got shooter/ RPG genre down, so why not make it open world and eat into another market? This gives us MEA. The same logic would apply to other studios, where they will integrate more RPG element into whatever genre of game they make got get some of the RPG crowd. I think there is something in game theory that explains this effect. This is also the reason why the franchise will never die, because it will just morph into whatever it needs to be. Yeah, I can totally see that. We can go one further and apply that rationale to Mass Effect Andromeda too: There's several meta-games and systems in this game that can be borrowed from other games - the Strike Team Missions, the AVP, crafting, and economy systems are all layers that have been added or improved in the series as we've moved on. Those systems are common place in many different games (ie. Strike Team Missions are borrowed straight from Assassin's Creed's pigeon coupe missions, crafting from Fallout, etc).
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Post by Iakus on Mar 27, 2017 20:14:02 GMT
3 games with Shepard was enough. It was a fun ride but he's dead now. Tali is dead. Garrus is dead. Liara's probably alive though... Anyway it's time to move on. There's nothing worse than writers that cling to the old and busted because they're afraid of embracing new ideas or of fans that want the same game over and over again with different sex scenes. Games stagnate enough as it is because publishers only want to make games that sell and think it's too dangerous to push the boundaries of development. People give Star Citizen a hard time for some of the things that have happened over the course of it's development but at least those guys are making a game to try and push the know limits of game design. AAA gaming today is just far too predictable. Sure three games with Shepard is enough. But people have a hard time letting go of a story that ends terribly.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 27, 2017 20:18:11 GMT
It is naive / ignorant to suggest that this is still a backlash to the ending of ME3. People have offered many opinions on what they don't like about this game, and many of those opinions are reasonable - not complaints because people are still salty about a video game ending from 5 years ago. Fanboys do not want to accept that MEA is bad, so they fabricate all kinds of myths. For a "Bad" game, im having surprisingly much fun time with it.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 27, 2017 20:19:00 GMT
I don't think it is really people wanting the game to fail, at least not most people.
I think it's more expectations for the game weren't realized, leading to massive backlash. I did a preview video on it for the website I write for, I think it more or less surmises the game's issues in regards to fan reception.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 27, 2017 20:26:30 GMT
So being good is not enough anymore? Every game ahs to be excellent or its crap? is that where we are now?
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Post by Raga on Mar 27, 2017 20:26:38 GMT
Seriously, what up with all these supposed fans of this game being so excited to find YouTube videos and post them everywhere, hoping this game fails? Y'all do realize if this game fails EA will put the series on the back urned like they did dead space....Right? Because wounded petulance is part and partial of both Bioware's core fans and Bioware itself. No other studio and its fandom seem to have this particular circlejerk of "wwaahhh, men are flirting with me and the quests are from MMORPGs!" and "waahhh, but-but the critics said the game was great and the ending is art!" perfected to such a degree as Bioware. I would honestly think something was dreadfully wrong if it didn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 20:30:15 GMT
So being good is not enough anymore? Every game ahs to be excellent or its crap? is that where we are now? Yeah, are you late to this party? This is the love it or hate it culture, and it has been here for a few years.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 27, 2017 20:36:06 GMT
So being good is not enough anymore? Every game ahs to be excellent or its crap? is that where we are now? Unfortunately it seems that way for a lot of people- considering what has been released in the past few months has been pretty solid overall. When I write the official review it will be difficult to convey a lot of that, but the baggage Andromeda carries has been part of the major problem I see here. Still getting a positive outlook from me, but it would be foolish to dismiss this as a major concern.
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