Frostbite Engine was a Mistake.

Here we have people who know nothing how engines work, but want to talk about it?

The thing is that game engines really aren't the problem it is how you design your systems around the positives and negatives of those engines. To me a lot of the negatives I have experienced with Andromeda it just seems like BioWare tried to do too much with the game to try and give people everything they wanted in the "ultimate Mass Effect experience".

Look at other games using Frostbite.

I love this game, but it's problems are on bioware and no-one else

I don't think it was. Andromeda is a lot bigger than the originals. A lot of why it looks so good and why so much was put into it is because of the engines capabilities. I also don't think we can really compare inquisition with Andromeda. Two entirely different teams (three bioware teams: Montreal, Austin, and Edmonton)worked on them soit's not like Montreal had previous experience with it, so the excuse that they had previous experience with it gets tossed. Optimism says the more games they get under their belt with said engine they get more performance out of it with experience. One thing to think about is Montreal is considered a rookie team to many, and while that certainly shows in this game it's still very noticeable that a lot of effort was put into it and with experience they should only get better.

I'll also add like a previous poster did: the engines aren't always the problem, it's how you work around them that can become an issue. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one aspect for another, down grade one to improve in another. It comes down to what you prioritize for your game and how you want it setup.

Uh, ok.

Sure, but why wouldn't you do it in UE4, which could handle the fancy graphics better...

So, the engine is not the problem... I sort of agree.

The implementation of the engine is horseshit, in all cases, by Biower so far. Melee in DAI on KB&M is simply not worth the time, unless you just love mashing buttons, or even better love to just hold one button down with fierce skill.

In MEAMP, surprisingly worse than DAI, are the RPG animation implementation to FB3. The facial animations are at an all time low for Bioware... The expressiveness of NPCs in MEA is equivalent to that in KotOR.

So, the engine isn't the problem, but Biower's ability to use the engine is. Somehow, that brings us back to the engine.

No i was wrong, its actually using something called The Hero Engine. I was pretty sure it was using the same engine as Dragon Age II, which was the ugraded version of Eclipse. 

Honestly I've been wondering if the engine was the problem. Seriously. I don't know much about engines or how they work, but what I do know is that faces and animations looked better in Mass Effect 3, a game that came out 5 years ago. So I really wonder, is it the engine, or is it the artists and designers? Because, to be honest, everything aside from faces and animations is amazing. The scenery is fantastic, the environments are spot on, it's all very well done and very engrossing. But the people... How can landscapes and ships and bases all look so amazing and then you have those faces...

So I'd really honestly sincerely like to know, is the Frostbite engine just really bad for making faces? Or did the designers just fall short?

That could be the next Bioware IP! Inside the game, you're the creator of AAA games and your dialogue choices that change the landscape of the game inside the game, but all choices have the same ending: The internet collectively questions your sacrifices and informs you that you're a failure.

There is a lots of glitches in MEA that showed up in DAI and Battlefield 1 too. Textures/mesh loading issue, T-pose/animations freezing and even falling through the world for some examples.

Battlefields 1 has a lots of video on youtube showing them, nobody hated on the game for it though.

Battlefield 1 and FIFA 17 both use the same engine. Facial animations in those games are very good. FIFA 17's facials, in particular it's "THE JOURNEY" story mode, are incredibly detailed and nuanced. 

There's 2 main ways of getting facial and body animations into a game. 

1) Using motion capture, or, essentially, "photocopying" real people's facial and body animations, and then transferring those copies in game. 

or

2) By using actual artistic animations, much like the way a cartoon sketch artist would design a cartoon. 

Most games use a combination of both - use Mo-Cap to get realistic and believable animations, and then use self-created animations to add nuance and detail. 

Mass Effect Andromeda does not use any Mo-Cap, and instead only uses full on artistic representations. 

The problem we've seen here, is that the Andromeda artistic impressions of the animations aren't all that good. Combining subpar artistic impressions of animation, with some sort of weird technical glitches people are seeing with the eyes and lips, means an extremely subpar facial and body animation presentation in Andromeda. 


LONG STORY SHORT - It's not the engine, but Bioware. 

Engine performance is fine - lots of other games function almost flawlessly on the engine. 

Again, point your ire at the right entity; Bioware, not Frostbite. 

Think of the engine as the base boards that you build a home on. 

Even if it's a great foundation, eventually you are going to get to a point where those boards can't handle excessive load and will start to underperform. 

It's up to the builder (Bioware) to know when that point is, and not to over-stress it