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Post by ralph2449 on Mar 31, 2017 21:05:50 GMT
So how did you feel when you opened those messages, I honestly didnt expect we would get such information considered when we left.
This felt so scary and heavy in a way listening to mass effect 3, 600 years after it all happened. Hearing the reaper sound and Liara at the end really felt sad.
We know that the Quarian arc was delayed, if we left on time and still got those messages the quarian arc should definitely have more information about what happened during me3, especially if they were delayed so much that they could have left around the beginning of the invasion.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 31, 2017 21:08:55 GMT
First I was frustrated that the last log wasn't about the Benefactor's identity. That story line drove me more than the main plot.
Then I thought: "Why doesn't Liara expand on her message a bit, tell the Andromeda pioneers to go back somewhere in the next 50.000 years and explain how to defeat the Reapers centuries before they arrive the next time."
But yes, it was still epic. I do wonder how this game is for people that never played the original trilogy.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 21:29:19 GMT
I'm disturbed that apparently there's some Geth beacons which could allow you to talk with the Milky Way galaxy....and it's silent.
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Post by wtfronk on Apr 1, 2017 7:43:02 GMT
I'm disturbed that apparently there's some Geth beacons which could allow you to talk with the Milky Way galaxy....and it's silent. wait, what??? where???
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 1, 2017 8:03:56 GMT
Benefactor will be a DLC, or sequel or expansion pack or whatever.
I put $10 on Cerberus.
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Post by kingmandu on Apr 1, 2017 8:11:10 GMT
Benefactor will be a DLC, or sequel or expansion pack or whatever. I put $10 on Cerberus. I really hope it isn't Cerberus because ME3 made them some Saturday morning cartoon villains. I liked Cerberus being a fringe fraction in ME1 with a full reveal in ME2 but then ME3 just ruined them. IM is dead and gone, leave them in the OT. Iirc, someone posted about the benefactor saying something along the lines of "we need to get out of here, the AI is our only hope" which implied the benefactor traveled with everyone to the Heleus Cluster. The last log was full the kind of callbacks that I love in a game series. I got some nostaligia tingles from those and hearing about Shepard was bittersweet.
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Post by eamon696 on Apr 1, 2017 8:17:35 GMT
Despite being based on a series of fetch quests, the Ryder Family Secrets Quest was actually my favorite from all of Andromeda. It brought in our connection (as players) to Shepard, expanded upon the characters of the Ryder Family, and introduced us to a mystery that is genuinely intriguing. THe fact that that it made me go out and actually want to scour to edge of the map for little floating orbs is a testament to the story content here. Looking forward to where it goes.
I also echo some of what has already been posted: Hopefully this isn't Cerberus, and is someone else (maybe the Shadow Broker, or an Asari Matriarch and her interests.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 8:54:43 GMT
I'm disturbed that apparently there's some Geth beacons which could allow you to talk with the Milky Way galaxy....and it's silent. wait, what??? where??? It's in the news. They talk about how they've tried to use their beacons to communicate and no one has answered.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 1, 2017 11:51:00 GMT
Despite being based on a series of fetch quests, the Ryder Family Secrets Quest was actually my favorite from all of Andromeda. It brought in our connection (as players) to Shepard, expanded upon the characters of the Ryder Family, and introduced us to a mystery that is genuinely intriguing. THe fact that that it made me go out and actually want to scour to edge of the map for little floating orbs is a testament to the story content here. Looking forward to where it goes. I also echo some of what has already been posted: Hopefully this isn't Cerberus, and is someone else (maybe the Shadow Broker, or an Asari Matriarch and her interests. Listen, I'm not saying I want it to be Cerberus, I'm just not gonna give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. Cerberus is the easy go to here. Writing wise, I'd love it to be either someone we've never met, or someone we'd have never seen coming. Also agreed, the actual memories themselves and the logs are so satisfying to get. And even though I never want a Reaper to come anywhere near Andromeda, just the mere mention of them is like goosebumps.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 1, 2017 11:52:51 GMT
It's in the news. They talk about how they've tried to use their beacons to communicate and no one has answered. It's in Alec's logs too I think. How they tried to contact the Milky Way with the comm buoys they've left behind and no one's answered.
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Post by FemShepard'sPie on Apr 1, 2017 12:51:40 GMT
Despite being based on a series of fetch quests, the Ryder Family Secrets Quest was actually my favorite from all of Andromeda. It brought in our connection (as players) to Shepard, expanded upon the characters of the Ryder Family, and introduced us to a mystery that is genuinely intriguing. THe fact that that it made me go out and actually want to scour to edge of the map for little floating orbs is a testament to the story content here. Looking forward to where it goes. I also echo some of what has already been posted: Hopefully this isn't Cerberus, and is someone else (maybe the Shadow Broker, or an Asari Matriarch and her interests. Listen, I'm not saying I want it to be Cerberus, I'm just not gonna give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. Cerberus is the easy go to here. Writing wise, I'd love it to be either someone we've never met, or someone we'd have never seen coming. Also agreed, the actual memories themselves and the logs are so satisfying to get. And even though I never want a Reaper to come anywhere near Andromeda, just the mere mention of them is like goosebumps.
I feel the same way. I was already torn up about the attack on the Hyperion in the end and seeing Captain Dunn go out like that. Made my character fight harder in that awesome ending. I loved the Ryder family quest. A poster mentioned above that the Benefactor may be along the lines of Shadowbroker, Liara since the clues seem to go that way. But I agree that it'd be more interesting if it were someone we've never met or would never expect. The connection to the OT and especially the news of MamaRyder having a chance at being alive made this one of my fave quests in the game. I'm hoping there's a cure to save her and have an eventual reunion where the Ryder twins can tell her everything that happened.
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Post by ralph2449 on Apr 1, 2017 13:16:16 GMT
I dont think the benefactor can be the shadow broker.
The original shadow broker didnt care about saving the species which is the whole point of andromeda iniative, he thought if he had a good relation with the reapers he could keep living as their agent, based on the comic where Liara is trying to stop him from giving shepard's corpse to the collectors.
Liara also cant be the benefactor as shadowbroker since apparently the benefactor knew that something was coming around the me1 period, he knew that something was coming based on the messages but not what. Liara was completely clueless about the reapers and was busy learning about the protheans at the time so i highly doubt it is her either.
Honestly cerberus still seems like the best bet since i am pretty sure TIM had many suspicions very early, especially based on the comics of him learning about reaper technology.a
The more fun theory would be the geth, the technology that let us found Andromeda was from the Geth so i wonder if we ll get to see them later on.
Plus if Cora really is TIM's daughter it would make sense, her biotic commando lead all of the sudden saying "You ll fit better there" after all this time working together makes little sense unless someone from high up pushed her towards the initiative on purpose
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 1, 2017 13:55:26 GMT
I said Cerberus, not TIM.
Lilith, the woman from the Citadel DLC is former Cerberus for example, and still got plenty done without her former employees resources.
Keep in mind, even if he didn't seem it, TIM WAS indoctrinated. creating a 'back up plan' to escape the Reapers does not seem like something that a Reaper indoctrinated person would do...
... then again, neither does reviving the only real person that was ever considered a threat to the reapers so we're back at square one.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 1, 2017 14:47:12 GMT
I dont think the benefactor can be the shadow broker. The original shadow broker didnt care about saving the species which is the whole point of andromeda iniative, he thought if he had a good relation with the reapers he could keep living as their agent, based on the comic where Liara is trying to stop him from giving shepard's corpse to the collectors. The original Shadow Broker I was thinking of is the one before the Yahg that got killed. Perhaps he could've faked his death and let the Yahg take over while he set off to Andromeda
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Post by Fogg on Apr 1, 2017 14:52:03 GMT
I said Cerberus, not TIM. Lilith, the woman from the Citadel DLC is former Cerberus for example, and still got plenty done without her former employees resources. Keep in mind, even if he didn't seem it, TIM WAS indoctrinated. creating a 'back up plan' to escape the Reapers does not seem like something that a Reaper indoctrinated person would do... ... then again, neither does reviving the only real person that was ever considered a threat to the reapers so we're back at square one. During ME2 he wasn't indoctrinated yet I think
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 1, 2017 15:55:30 GMT
I said Cerberus, not TIM. Lilith, the woman from the Citadel DLC is former Cerberus for example, and still got plenty done without her former employees resources. Keep in mind, even if he didn't seem it, TIM WAS indoctrinated. creating a 'back up plan' to escape the Reapers does not seem like something that a Reaper indoctrinated person would do... ... then again, neither does reviving the only real person that was ever considered a threat to the reapers so we're back at square one. During ME2 he wasn't indoctrinated yet I think Or maybe not completely. If the indoctrination started its slow change from the moment he first encountered Reaper tech, then TIM was at least partially indoctrinated in ME2. Obviously, there's no conclusive evidence. However, Cerberus was playing with Reaper tech and creating husks as early as ME1.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 19:04:39 GMT
I said Cerberus, not TIM. Lilith, the woman from the Citadel DLC is former Cerberus for example, and still got plenty done without her former employees resources. Keep in mind, even if he didn't seem it, TIM WAS indoctrinated. creating a 'back up plan' to escape the Reapers does not seem like something that a Reaper indoctrinated person would do... ... then again, neither does reviving the only real person that was ever considered a threat to the reapers so we're back at square one. Tim was indoctrinated but I think he was able to resist it until Mass Effect 3.
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Post by mrtijger on Apr 2, 2017 0:47:55 GMT
I said Cerberus, not TIM. Lilith, the woman from the Citadel DLC is former Cerberus for example, and still got plenty done without her former employees resources. Keep in mind, even if he didn't seem it, TIM WAS indoctrinated. creating a 'back up plan' to escape the Reapers does not seem like something that a Reaper indoctrinated person would do... ... then again, neither does reviving the only real person that was ever considered a threat to the reapers so we're back at square one. Cerberus and TIM dont give a hoot about non-human races and therefore wouldnt have sent out 5 arks with only one full of humans, they would have sent 5 arks of humans. Humans only make up 20% of the MW population in Andromeda so its nigh inconceivable that this would be a Cerberus or TIM idea.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 2, 2017 1:00:24 GMT
During ME2 he wasn't indoctrinated yet I think Or maybe not completely. If the indoctrination started its slow change from the moment he first encountered Reaper tech, then TIM was at least partially indoctrinated in ME2. Obviously, there's no conclusive evidence. However, Cerberus was playing with Reaper tech and creating husks as early as ME1. It should be noted he went from being a Alliance scout and James Bond type to Blofeld meets Doctor Doom. I assume that may be Reaper influence, creating people who will push technology and build organizations the Reapers can control. Or maybe it's just coincidence.
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Post by canuckgamer on Apr 2, 2017 1:02:17 GMT
I said Cerberus, not TIM. Lilith, the woman from the Citadel DLC is former Cerberus for example, and still got plenty done without her former employees resources. Keep in mind, even if he didn't seem it, TIM WAS indoctrinated. creating a 'back up plan' to escape the Reapers does not seem like something that a Reaper indoctrinated person would do... ... then again, neither does reviving the only real person that was ever considered a threat to the reapers so we're back at square one. Cerberus and TIM dont give a hoot about non-human races and therefore wouldnt have sent out 5 arks with only one full of humans, they would have sent 5 arks of humans. Humans only make up 20% of the MW population in Andromeda so its nigh inconceivable that this would be a Cerberus or TIM idea. They don't care and wouldn't mind their participation as long as human interest rule. Given Cerberus's past actions they would likely infiltrate agents in key areas to undermine the success of the alien arks and put humanity in a key position. Sound familiar? Jien Gason started the mission, so if they saw the potential they still had to, at some level, follow with her original plan. Addison thought she was next in line to take over as Director, yet someone had put Tann in place ahead of her. Lots of moving pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus was the original investor, but that this became the pet project of a spin off group (more extreme) etc had taken the reigns. Lots of cerberus cells operated off book. I think Cerberus could be good if its handled well. An ambitious officer volunteers for the mission but has not intention of following TIM's plans and instead has his/her own? With the hinting at Cora though I think its likely Cerberus will play into the game somehow, but that does not mean they are the Benefactor either... I also wouldn't mind a completely new group. The volus would be an interesting option. They are the money people, but what would their angle be....Perhaps its a group only briefly mentioned in a past game. This is without a doubt though my favorite storyline. That last message was BRILLIANT. It made me terrified despite knowing the outcome (I envy new players, who don't know about the Reapers). Liara's message chocked me up a bit, when she said goodbye on behalf of the Normandy. Alec checked some kind of beacon's to see if they got messages and they didn't. Given the Relay's were damaged, information lost, massive casualties its not inconceivable they lost the ability to communicate or even lost track of the mission as a whole. Also possible they ordered the communications device destroyed to ensure Reaper's didn't become aware of it. They will strive for some credible link to the original trilogy to maintain some level of continuity.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 2, 2017 1:03:22 GMT
Cerberus and TIM dont give a hoot about non-human races and therefore wouldnt have sent out 5 arks with only one full of humans, they would have sent 5 arks of humans. Humans only make up 20% of the MW population in Andromeda so its nigh inconceivable that this would be a Cerberus or TIM idea. Tim isn't in control of the Andromeda Initiative, he's just financing it. Also, Tim doesn't HATE the other races too. If he felt it would help humanity's survival to have Krogan on the ark, he'd do it. Ditto the other races. It's possible he got the others to help finance his financing too. Cerberus works with aliens if you recall.
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Post by jastall on Apr 2, 2017 1:40:45 GMT
Cerberus and TIM dont give a hoot about non-human races and therefore wouldnt have sent out 5 arks with only one full of humans, they would have sent 5 arks of humans. Humans only make up 20% of the MW population in Andromeda so its nigh inconceivable that this would be a Cerberus or TIM idea. Tim isn't in control of the Andromeda Initiative, he's just financing it. Also, Tim doesn't HATE the other races too. If he felt it would help humanity's survival to have Krogan on the ark, he'd do it. Ditto the other races. It's possible he got the others to help finance his financing too. Cerberus works with aliens if you recall. But then why murder Jien Garson and cause chaos on the Arks? Covering their tracks doesn't seem worth the potential fallout of having the person leading the Initiative be dead before the whole thing even starts. To say nothing of the fact that Alec also knows about the Benefactor, so even as a means to cover their tracks Garson's murder is flawed. If Cerberus finances the Initiative, it's as a backup plan to ensure humanity's survival. Killing Garson achieves the exact opposite. Also, given how confident TIM is that he can control the Reapers, I'm really not sure he would go to the trouble of dealing with the Initiative in the first place (not to mention partially funding it makes Cerberus's capabilities even more absurd than they were in ME3) but that's another topic.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 2, 2017 2:22:26 GMT
But then why murder Jien Garson and cause chaos on the Arks? Covering their tracks doesn't seem worth the potential fallout of having the person leading the Initiative be dead before the whole thing even starts. To say nothing of the fact that Alec also knows about the Benefactor, so even as a means to cover their tracks Garson's murder is flawed. If Cerberus finances the Initiative, it's as a backup plan to ensure humanity's survival. Killing Garson achieves the exact opposite. Also, given how confident TIM is that he can control the Reapers, I'm really not sure he would go to the trouble of dealing with the Initiative in the first place (not to mention partially funding it makes Cerberus's capabilities even more absurd than they were in ME3) but that's another topic. I imagine the original plan would be something like: 1. Finance Jien Garson's plan. 2. Make an escape plan from the Reapers for humanity 3. Get other races to help the situation 4. Then murder Garson and take it over to guarantee humanity's ascendancy with whoever their proxy was (Addison?)
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 6:05:03 GMT
Or maybe not completely. If the indoctrination started its slow change from the moment he first encountered Reaper tech, then TIM was at least partially indoctrinated in ME2. Obviously, there's no conclusive evidence. However, Cerberus was playing with Reaper tech and creating husks as early as ME1. It should be noted he went from being a Alliance scout and James Bond type to Blofeld meets Doctor Doom. I assume that may be Reaper influence, creating people who will push technology and build organizations the Reapers can control. Or maybe it's just coincidence. It's why I think it could have been subtle, taking TIM's own ideas and allowing them to push forward to put something powerful in place that the Reapers could use. Evidence suggests that the indoctrinated believe what they're doing is helping their people. TIM definitely believed he was helping humanity - even as he was destroying it - until the last moments of his life. Again, like I said, there's no real conclusion to be drawn because we're not given insight into TIM's thoughts, but there is supporting evidence that what he was doing wasn't fully in humanity's best interests. Is it really a coincidence that both Saren and Cerberus had interest in husks and Thorian creepers during ME1? They both thought what they were doing would help humanity but they were really screwing it over, and every other race in Council space as well.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 6:07:12 GMT
Also, given how confident TIM is that he can control the Reapers, I'm really not sure he would go to the trouble of dealing with the Initiative in the first place (not to mention partially funding it makes Cerberus's capabilities even more absurd than they were in ME3) but that's another topic. TIM doesn't seem to have known he could control the Reapers until ME3. The AI was already established at the point and had gone on their way. Nothing in ME2 suggests TIM believed he could control Reapers.
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