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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 1, 2017 16:42:32 GMT
There are some very very good common and uncommon characters. Slap a good gun on them (good luck with that) and you're pretty much ready for Gold. This - specifically, buy basic packs to get basic classes to X and you can play vanguard melee outlaw gold and you don't even need a weapon. I managed to somehow consistently top the charts with my lvl 1 human katana vanguard matched with lvl 20s with Vanquishers. Kett were extremely hard in comparison so I'm not ever trying that against them again, but it's hilarious how easy Outlaws can be on gold are if you're vanguarding. Like, level 1 hero no weapon easy. Could grind just that for the next few weeks but where's the fun in that?
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Post by Proto on Apr 1, 2017 17:12:43 GMT
Just play Human Vanguard to level 20, about 20 gold games and Max your commons. It only costs about 1 mil credits and you'll get a stockpile of consumables. If you skip this step all you get in return is 10 premium packs:
18 rare cards and 2 Ultra Rares.
Total cost to unlock all the uncommon is about 4.8 mil, less than 100 gold completions.
You'll get quite a few uncommon from basic packs while maxing those so the "real cost" is probably less.
Up to the user to decide which they value more:
Maxed Uncommons, primarily the characters(looking at you Asari Adept) vs. 45 Premium packs:
(1.8 Rares + 0.2 Ultra Rares) * 45 =
81 Rare Cards and 9 Ultra Rares
For me it's a no brainer to go ahead and get the common and uncommon out of the way. Those who plan to stick around for the long haul will have plenty of time to open Premium Packs with their next 80 million credits earned.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 1, 2017 17:35:45 GMT
But the point of the video is, he's saying that there's a few rare and UR weapons that if you get lvl 1 are better than most uncommons.
The idea is to grab one of those and use it. Or, I think it's also a good idea to buy uncommon packs to upgrade uncommon classes if you want to play with something else than basic humans.
I'm not entirely sure if I'm sold on focusing exclusively on premiums so early on, but it sure is good to pick a few at the start, I think I'll keep buying uncommon packs for my midgame tough. Maybe a rare or premium here and there. Like, it's good to buy a premium in hope of getting a rare mod like pistol barrel and such, level I is 10% and level II is 11%, so first levels as long as you get something weapon related is pretty big value.
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Post by Proto on Apr 1, 2017 17:42:46 GMT
I don't disagree with buying higher chests earlier on in hopes of snagging something good.
The reality is you'll probably spend more than you want to hunting one of the handful of rares/ultra rates you want.
I completely agree with the Premium rush if you're buying credits or got super deluxe.
I've bought plenty of expert/premiums. All I have to show for it are an equalizer 2, Talon 2 and Vanquisher 1.
RNG is RNG
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Post by ReptiloidGod on Apr 1, 2017 17:44:13 GMT
Most uncommon weapons turn viable even on Platinum, at least in ME3. I'll max out my uncommons first before I buy premium spectre packs. I think I have around 50 % of the uncommons completed yet.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 2, 2017 1:23:39 GMT
Most uncommon weapons turn viable even on Platinum, at least in ME3. I'll max out my uncommons first before I buy premium spectre packs. I think I have around 50 % of the uncommons completed yet. But there's stuff in rare packs like weapon barrels that give +10% dmg and they don't drop anywhere else. Or maybe you get a lvl 1 Vanquisher which is way better than any other uncommon rifle atm. I mean, I would sure love to use Widow X at this time but it can be faster and better to get at least an Isharay or some other similiarly powerful weapon from just opening a few packs, than trying to level up your uncommon first.
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 2, 2017 23:29:31 GMT
I got a question and I decided to ask it here rather than creating a new thread: What happens after all your Rares are maxed? Do you get Ultra Rares?
I mean, the logical answer given ME3MP design would be Rare/"Ultra Rare" consumables, yet in MEAMP those items drop from packs without taking the Rare slot anyway (as far as I can remember). So, what comes on those two Rare slots per Premium Pack then?
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 2, 2017 23:35:15 GMT
I got a question and I decided to ask it here rather than creating a new thread: What happens after all your Rares are maxed? Do you get Ultra Rares? I mean, the logical answer given ME3MP design would be Rare/"Ultra Rare" consumables, yet in MEAMP those items drop from packs without taking the Rare slot anyway (as far as I can remember). So, what comes on those two Rare slots per Premium Pack then? Covered in the video. You get a consumable of the same rarity. Your UR rates never increase even if thats the only thing missi g from your manifest.
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Post by vynticator on Apr 6, 2017 8:52:29 GMT
Thanks, useful and nicely tiered advice. I think if people listen properly to the advice it's pretty spot on. Uncommon mods and guns can be handy. Disciple is a good example, also mods as the video says. I found I've had to max out the Uncommon characters and weapons to 'brute force' the mods to drop from Advanced packs. I want armour piercing for my snipers. I also like maxing out the manifest as a matter of completionism, just an OCD thing I suppose. I got a few Premium packs and unlocked some nice Rare/UR treats early on, happily smashing Gold now, but like Silver with friends if connection a bit choppy
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Post by asherax on Apr 6, 2017 9:23:40 GMT
I don't completely agree with the guide, and think it's best to buy a mix. Say, I'm targeting Uncommon weapons and Characters, and mostly unlocked my common mods, then sure, I'd buy Advanced Packs. However, I'll still want boosters as well. An Advanced Pack costs 20k, and gives 1 booster, while a Basic pack costs 5k and also gives 1 booster. So, the choice is: 1 booster and an Uncommon or 4 boosters and maybe an Uncommon for the same money.
In the end, I generally go for 1 Advanced Pack, 2 Basic Packs and one or two Supply Packs for a total of 32-34 thousand Mission credits, giving 4-5 boosters, at least 1 Uncommon and at least 2 Commons, where that amount of funds would've barely bought me one and a half Booster and one and a half Uncommon. Boosters definitely make a difference if you ask me, they're easily worth a few weapon levels in a single game.
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Post by sabreracer on Apr 6, 2017 9:49:38 GMT
I travelled the path of basic packs until there were only about 20 bronze kits/mods left (the weapons were maxed long before) and moved onto advanced packs as I want the uncommon kits.
I'm getting a good rare drop rate of around 15-20% and I've now almost maxed the remaining commons too with the extra bronze cards in the packs.
On reflection the sweet spot to move up would probably be with about 30 commons left.
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Post by Spectr61 on Apr 6, 2017 10:01:05 GMT
What pack should I buy to get the anti-lag cannon?
Would pay dearly for one of those.
Especially if it worked.
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Post by bobbyfree on Apr 6, 2017 10:15:02 GMT
Here's what I'm very interested to know: is there a difference between buying 1 premium pack versus 2 expert packs when it comes to the likelihood of getting an ultra rare card? Yes. Premiums have 2 slots which can roll URs with a supposed higher chance (nobody knows what that is). So you get the same number of potential UR slots when buying 1 premium vs 2 expert, but both the slots in the premium pack has a higher independent chance of rolling a black card. Given the number of peoples going for Premium packs, I'm fairly sure we should have enough statistic to derive the UR drop rates in Premium packs. Currently, I only buy Expert pack (the 50k ones, name is correct?) just in order to get the good stat before moving on expert packs, for the same purpose. With nearly 100 Expert packs, I am around 10% UR drop with some uncertainty of course. I would be curious to know if someone has already opened 100 Premium packs so that we can see if we really have 20% or more. If it is 20% UR drop rate or less, then one should go for Expert packs.
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 6, 2017 11:37:15 GMT
Yes. Premiums have 2 slots which can roll URs with a supposed higher chance (nobody knows what that is). So you get the same number of potential UR slots when buying 1 premium vs 2 expert, but both the slots in the premium pack has a higher independent chance of rolling a black card. Given the number of peoples going for Premium packs, I'm fairly sure we should have enough statistic to derive the UR drop rates in Premium packs. Currently, I only buy Expert pack (the 50k ones, name is correct?) just in order to get the good stat before moving on expert packs, for the same purpose. With nearly 100 Expert packs, I am around 10% UR drop with some uncertainty of course. I would be curious to know if someone has already opened 100 Premium packs so that we can see if we really have 20% or more. If it is 20% UR drop rate or less, then one should go for Expert packs. There was a guy who dropped 1.5k and recorded the findings on reddit. His drop percentage was 23%. Ive had similar results, usually get at least 1 UR from a play session.
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Post by bobbyfree on Apr 6, 2017 11:48:27 GMT
Given the number of peoples going for Premium packs, I'm fairly sure we should have enough statistic to derive the UR drop rates in Premium packs. Currently, I only buy Expert pack (the 50k ones, name is correct?) just in order to get the good stat before moving on expert packs, for the same purpose. With nearly 100 Expert packs, I am around 10% UR drop with some uncertainty of course. I would be curious to know if someone has already opened 100 Premium packs so that we can see if we really have 20% or more. If it is 20% UR drop rate or less, then one should go for Expert packs. There was a guy who dropped 1.5k and recorded the findings on reddit. His drop percentage was 23%. Ive had similar results, usually get at least 1 UR from a play session. Ah thanks I was curious about this!
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 6, 2017 12:11:12 GMT
I don't completely agree with the guide, and think it's best to buy a mix. Say, I'm targeting Uncommon weapons and Characters, and mostly unlocked my common mods, then sure, I'd buy Advanced Packs. However, I'll still want boosters as well. An Advanced Pack costs 20k, and gives 1 booster, while a Basic pack costs 5k and also gives 1 booster. So, the choice is: 1 booster and an Uncommon or 4 boosters and maybe an Uncommon for the same money. In the end, I generally go for 1 Advanced Pack, 2 Basic Packs and one or two Supply Packs for a total of 32-34 thousand Mission credits, giving 4-5 boosters, at least 1 Uncommon and at least 2 Commons, where that amount of funds would've barely bought me one and a half Booster and one and a half Uncommon. Boosters definitely make a difference if you ask me, they're easily worth a few weapon levels in a single game. I think I would agree with you. In general, advanced packs have a chance of giving you a free rare with a discount (just 20k over 50k for a rare drop) so why even buy expert packs until your uncommons are maxed? If you only buy advanced packs for 20k, and get a lucky rare every third pack, it's basicaly exactly like buying an expert pack + you get the contents of 3 advanced packs at just 60k (at least 2 uncommons and other stuff). I did buy a few premiums at the start, so I got my Black Widow, Talon II and even a Scorpion (or was it Venom?). But they're good enough on level 1. I'm strictly focusing on advanced from now on, until uncommons are maxed. I would keep buying premium otherwise if I didn't get an ultrarare.
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Post by killabkilledb on Apr 6, 2017 13:01:32 GMT
The logic in the video is correct. The only reason to go uncommon to common to rare is because the packs are cheap so instead of 100K on one premium pack you will get to open multiple cheap packs and get more stuff early on in the game (more uncommon and commons per the same amount of credits)... Once you get a few workable items, however, you should probably be buying the premium packs to increase UR drops....but if you just want to get commons and uncommon fast and max rares fast do it the other way. Go basic to premium in that order... This puts your UR's behind a bit but unlocks everything else quicker as you are getting more packs for the credits.....
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