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Post by amleth on Apr 4, 2017 0:20:43 GMT
If Andromeda has amateurish writing, then you guys must not play a lot of games that feature a story. There's only a handful of games at best that have good writing. The writing is fine and with that amount of dialogue, not everything is going to hit a homerun. I'd love to see a list of multiplatform games, outside of Naughty Dog and CDPR, with good writing since everyone seems to be an expert nowadays. If the game is so shit, why are you still reading reviews and posting about it? Most sane people move on after being disappointed by something. I guess it makes you feel special to keep piling on it? I'll save some of you the trouble...*clears throat* I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. Let's see now, Deus Ex, Pillars of Eternity, fallout: NV, DA:O (back when bioware was good), Undertale, Skyrim works at world building, Dark Souls for oblique narratives. If you wanna delve out of strict wrpg territory, Rise of the Tomb Raider is servicable,same for HZD, as are most Final Fantasy games heck even the original Starcraft wasn't bad in the slightest. So yes there are plenty of games out there with decent to good writing. P.S there is no need to be rude either. Some of us are/were fans who are massively disappointed with what we got and would like to express that. No need to get you panties into a twist.
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Post by rheia on Apr 4, 2017 2:21:26 GMT
If Andromeda has amateurish writing, then you guys must not play a lot of games that feature a story. There's only a handful of games at best that have good writing. The writing is fine and with that amount of dialogue, not everything is going to hit a homerun. I'd love to see a list of multiplatform games, outside of Naughty Dog and CDPR, with good writing since everyone seems to be an expert nowadays. If the game is so shit, why are you still reading reviews and posting about it? Most sane people move on after being disappointed by something. I guess it makes you feel special to keep piling on it? I'll save some of you the trouble...*clears throat* I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. Let's see now, Deus Ex, Pillars of Eternity, fallout: NV, DA:O (back when bioware was good), Undertale, Skyrim works at world building, Dark Souls for oblique narratives. If you wanna delve out of strict wrpg territory, Rise of the Tomb Raider is servicable,same for HZD, as are most Final Fantasy games heck even the original Starcraft wasn't bad in the slightest. So yes there are plenty of games out there with decent to good writing. P.S there is no need to be rude either. Some of us are/were fans who are massively disappointed with what we got and would like to express that. No need to get you panties into a twist. I'll add a few more games off the top of my head that not only had better narrative, but also better written companion arcs: Shadowrun: Dragonfall and Shadowrun: Hong Kong. And they did not even have an advantage of being a 'cinematic storytelling' games like ME franchise. When comparatively small independent studio does better job fleshing out the universe and characters and setting the mood with simple portrait popups and dialogue in a textbox than triple A studio with with access to cutting edge audio visual tools and reputation for amazing storytelling, you got to scratch your head and ask "What happened?"
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Post by mrfixit on Apr 4, 2017 2:23:48 GMT
In Drogba's (adapted) words: "This is a fraking disgrace". Or, in the words of Locke (he who gleefully and with much gusto "disarmed" Jaime Lannister): "What a shameful fucking performance!"
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Post by Pearl on Apr 4, 2017 3:26:23 GMT
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Post by kingmandu on Apr 4, 2017 3:31:22 GMT
Mostly text versus fully voiced? Fair comparison indeed. Next! You didn't say "voiced" you said "writing" You may now proceed with your moving of the goalposts. Haha you're one of those I see. Okay well I was just following Brian Fargo's tactics and Inexile's extremely poor handling of that game. Besides, that game is a piece of fanfiction wank compared to PS:T
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Post by kingmandu on Apr 4, 2017 3:37:13 GMT
If Andromeda has amateurish writing, then you guys must not play a lot of games that feature a story. There's only a handful of games at best that have good writing. The writing is fine and with that amount of dialogue, not everything is going to hit a homerun. I'd love to see a list of multiplatform games, outside of Naughty Dog and CDPR, with good writing since everyone seems to be an expert nowadays. If the game is so shit, why are you still reading reviews and posting about it? Most sane people move on after being disappointed by something. I guess it makes you feel special to keep piling on it? I'll save some of you the trouble...*clears throat* I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. Let's see now, Deus Ex, Pillars of Eternity, fallout: NV, DA:O (back when bioware was good), Undertale, Skyrim works at world building, Dark Souls for oblique narratives. If you wanna delve out of strict wrpg territory, Rise of the Tomb Raider is servicable,same for HZD, as are most Final Fantasy games heck even the original Starcraft wasn't bad in the slightest. So yes there are plenty of games out there with decent to good writing. P.S there is no need to be rude either. Some of us are/were fans who are massively disappointed with what we got and would like to express that. No need to get you panties into a twist. Massive Dark Souls fan but the lore of that game is a twisted mess and the final DLC feels like a "just let this series die, please?" Outside of Fallout:NV none of those games shame ME:A's writing nor are they a clear cut above. If people would take off their rose tinted glasses for just a second... Just a pre-emptive strike, no harm no foul. The only ones with panties twisted are the people who don't like the game and feel the need to keep posting bad review after bad review. We get it, the game is a dumpster fire but each bad review doesn't deserve its own thread. We're talking about games critics here....glorified PR mouthpieces, lol.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 4, 2017 3:52:21 GMT
Let's see now, Deus Ex, Pillars of Eternity, fallout: NV, DA:O (back when bioware was good), Undertale, Skyrim works at world building, Dark Souls for oblique narratives. If you wanna delve out of strict wrpg territory, Rise of the Tomb Raider is servicable,same for HZD, as are most Final Fantasy games heck even the original Starcraft wasn't bad in the slightest. So yes there are plenty of games out there with decent to good writing. P.S there is no need to be rude either. Some of us are/were fans who are massively disappointed with what we got and would like to express that. No need to get you panties into a twist. Massive Dark Souls fan but the lore of that game is a twisted mess and the final DLC feels like a "just let this series die, please?" Outside of Fallout:NV none of those games shame ME:A's writing nor are they a clear cut above. If people would take off their rose tinted glasses for just a second... Just a pre-emptive strike, no harm no foul. The only ones with panties twisted are the people who don't like the game and feel the need to keep posting bad review after bad review. We get it, the game is a dumpster fire but each bad review doesn't deserve its own thread. We're talking about games critics here....glorified PR mouthpieces, lol. You're right - they're not a clear-cut above, they're fucking leagues above. I think your rose-tinted glasses might be glued to your face.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 4, 2017 3:58:20 GMT
You didn't say "voiced" you said "writing" You may now proceed with your moving of the goalposts. Haha you're one of those I see. Okay well I was just following Brian Fargo's tactics and Inexile's extremely poor handling of that game. Besides, that game is a piece of fanfiction wank compared to PS:T NOTHING beats Planescape: Torment. But TToN is still darn good. Better than 95% of anything that comes out nowadays. And that includes anything Bioware's done lately.
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Post by jastall on Apr 4, 2017 3:59:53 GMT
If Andromeda has amateurish writing, then you guys must not play a lot of games that feature a story. There's only a handful of games at best that have good writing. The writing is fine and with that amount of dialogue, not everything is going to hit a homerun. I'd love to see a list of multiplatform games, outside of Naughty Dog and CDPR, with good writing since everyone seems to be an expert nowadays. If the game is so shit, why are you still reading reviews and posting about it? Most sane people move on after being disappointed by something. I guess it makes you feel special to keep piling on it? I'll save some of you the trouble...*clears throat* I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. Let's see now, Deus Ex, Pillars of Eternity, fallout: NV, DA:O (back when bioware was good), Undertale, Skyrim works at world building, Dark Souls for oblique narratives. If you wanna delve out of strict wrpg territory, Rise of the Tomb Raider is servicable,same for HZD, as are most Final Fantasy games heck even the original Starcraft wasn't bad in the slightest. So yes there are plenty of games out there with decent to good writing. P.S there is no need to be rude either. Some of us are/were fans who are massively disappointed with what we got and would like to express that. No need to get you panties into a twist. Depends which Deus Ex. First one was really good in places when you talked to the Chinese bartender or Morpheus, yeah, but also had some meme-worthy lines to say the least (A BOOOMB!?). Invisible War was mostly shit. Human Revolution was pretty okay, but certainly not above Andromeda. Haven't played Mankind Divided. Pillars of Eternity, which I liked a whole lot, had three really well written characters; Durance, Grieving Mother and Éder. Apart from that, it didn't shatter any records in my books. But Obsidian have always been better writers than Bioware, so yeah, point. Fallout: New Vegas I'll give you, sure. Albeit its has its own issues, especially where the Legion is concerned. DA:O had its fair share of derpy moments alongside its good writing. Andromeda is slightly worse, but I don't think there's a significant dip in quality. Keeping in mind it's my favorite Bioware game to this day, too Undertale is... look, I'm legitimately going to get murdered if I say I didn't like its writing (which would also be a disservice to how clever it is in the end), so let's settle with the fact that the setting didn't grab me that much and that the whole affair of the game being meta was already so overused by indie games I was numb to it at that point. But it definitely plays with narrative tropes better than Andromeda, that's a fact. Skyrim? Please. The only good writing is the background info, which was mostly written by one dude some years ago; that stuff, the metaphysical aspects of TES, is great. Everything about the actual game is so bland I couldn't get invested at all, even the Imperial/Stormcloak conflict which is so interesting at first glance. The only NPC I felt anything for is Paarthurnax, and that's mostly because friendly dragons are rare in games and he was a cool old guy who actually offers help no strings attached for once. Dark Souls never really did anything for me, to be honest. Sure, unraveling mysteries is fun and I can understand the appeal, but I had a friend try to explain the lore to me and it seemed unspeakably convoluted, throwing smokescreens at the player for the sole sake of not giving answers and just piling up more questions in DLCs. Plus there are only so many cryptic clues I can stand before I want a straight answer as to why I should care about what I'm doing already. Tomb Raider I wouldn't use an as an example. It's serviceable, but not much better than, say, Assassin's Creed, albeit it thankfully doesn't have the awful conspiracy theory background plot nobody cares about. Haven't played HZD or any Final Fantasy game (PC player). The only ones here I would say are definitely above Bioware are Obsidian (which are the best writers in the business as far as I'm concerned, bar none), Deus Ex 1 and Undertale if you're into the more quirky side of things. That's a pretty short list, which spans almost two decades of games if you go back to Deus Ex. I'm not pretending Bioware are grand artists that never err in their writing. They surely do, and lines like ''my face is tired'' should never have made it out of pre-production. But they're still better than most studios, I think, especially when they focus on character moments, and on those I haven't seen any significant dips from the usual, so IMO the essential part of their writing is preserved even if it doesn't reach the heights of character writing that was ME2. But they also did a fairly good job with world building, even if they could have taken more risks I'll admit.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 4, 2017 4:02:58 GMT
Let's see now, Deus Ex, Pillars of Eternity, fallout: NV, DA:O (back when bioware was good), Undertale, Skyrim works at world building, Dark Souls for oblique narratives. If you wanna delve out of strict wrpg territory, Rise of the Tomb Raider is servicable,same for HZD, as are most Final Fantasy games heck even the original Starcraft wasn't bad in the slightest. So yes there are plenty of games out there with decent to good writing. P.S there is no need to be rude either. Some of us are/were fans who are massively disappointed with what we got and would like to express that. No need to get you panties into a twist. I'll add a few more games off the top of my head that not only had better narrative, but also better written companion arcs: Shadowrun: Dragonfall and Shadowrun: Hong Kong. And they did not even have an advantage of being a 'cinematic storytelling' games like ME franchise. When comparatively small independent studio does better job fleshing out the universe and characters and setting the mood with simple portrait popups and dialogue in a textbox than triple A studio with with access to cutting edge audio visual tools and reputation for amazing storytelling, you got to scratch your head and ask "What happened?" Also Alpha Protocol (yes, gameplay isn't the best, but this is writing we're talking about), most recent Telltale games (in particular, Tales From the Borderlands and A Wolf Among Us), and the Banner Saga,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 4:06:06 GMT
The writing, delivery, and animations look to me like maintaining immersion would be tough when trying to RP in the protagonist's shoes. I haven't looked at a lot of gameplay video though.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 4, 2017 4:20:26 GMT
The writing, delivery, and animations look to me like maintaining immersion would be tough when trying to RP in the protagonist's shoes. I haven't looked at a lot of gameplay video though. It's important to bear in mind that people are posting the absolute low-points of a 100+ hours game, in regard to those writing and animation issues. This is why you see the same couple of scenes hammered endlessly. For the most part, those oft highlighted scenes aren't indicative of the overall game experience, and/or they are taken out of context. I'm not claiming it's brilliant throughout, but it's much better than many try to emphasize. Creating your own Ryder goes a long way toward correcting the animations. Default Ryders do have some weird tics.
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Post by mordrek on Apr 4, 2017 4:45:40 GMT
If Andromeda has amateurish writing, then you guys must not play a lot of games that feature a story. There's only a handful of games at best that have good writing. The writing is fine and with that amount of dialogue, not everything is going to hit a homerun. I'd love to see a list of multiplatform games, outside of Naughty Dog and CDPR, with good writing since everyone seems to be an expert nowadays. If the game is so shit, why are you still reading reviews and posting about it? Most sane people move on after being disappointed by something. I guess it makes you feel special to keep piling on it? I'll save some of you the trouble...*clears throat* I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. You could pretty much pick any video game that called itself an RPG that came out before the console, as graphics weren't exactly why people played games back then. Story used to be important. Ultima Series, Kings quest, Monkey Island, any of the old D&D video games, fallout 1 and 2, wasteland, phantasy star. Chrono Trigger, Planescape Torment. There are literally 100+ games, probably written by only 1-2 people, back in the old days. I don't understand why multi-platform makes a difference in writing, lol. And you might be all of those things you are mentioning, but what you really are is someone who seems to need to try and shit on others for expressing their dissatisfaction. Instead of posting your opinion, and why you are correct, you try and attack other's viewpoints and question their authenticity, credentials, and sanity.
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Post by jastall on Apr 4, 2017 5:04:38 GMT
If Andromeda has amateurish writing, then you guys must not play a lot of games that feature a story. There's only a handful of games at best that have good writing. The writing is fine and with that amount of dialogue, not everything is going to hit a homerun. I'd love to see a list of multiplatform games, outside of Naughty Dog and CDPR, with good writing since everyone seems to be an expert nowadays. If the game is so shit, why are you still reading reviews and posting about it? Most sane people move on after being disappointed by something. I guess it makes you feel special to keep piling on it? I'll save some of you the trouble...*clears throat* I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. You could pretty much pick any video game that called itself an RPG that came out before the console, as graphics weren't exactly why people played games back then. Story used to be important. Ultima Series, Kings quest, Monkey Island, any of the old D&D video games, fallout 1 and 2, wasteland, phantasy star. Chrono Trigger, Planescape Torment. There are literally 100+ games, probably written by only 1-2 people, back in the old days. I don't understand why multi-platform makes a difference in writing, lol. And you might be all of those things you are mentioning, but what you really are is someone who seems to need to try and shit on others for expressing their dissatisfaction. Instead of posting your opinion, and why you are correct, you try and attack other's viewpoints and question their authenticity, credentials, and sanity. Not to condone this sort of behavior, but let's not act as if other people with opposing opinions haven't done the exact same thing, too.
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Post by II So Close II on Apr 4, 2017 8:12:33 GMT
Solid review. Can't say I disagree with a lot in it. Think it's pretty much bang on the money.
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Post by Tetrabytes101 on Apr 4, 2017 9:26:49 GMT
PC world haha,they sell pc what the hell do they know. The best review is your own review the games good.
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I am a cuck SJW warrior astroturfing corporate defending and apologist shill. You could have just said tool. You are a tool.
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Post by amleth on Apr 4, 2017 9:35:29 GMT
I'm not pretending Bioware are grand artists that never err in their writing. They surely do, and lines like ''my face is tired'' should never have made it out of pre-production. But they're still better than most studios, I think, especially when they focus on character moments, and on those I haven't seen any significant dips from the usual, so IMO the essential part of their writing is preserved even if it doesn't reach the heights of character writing that was ME2. But they also did a fairly good job with world building, even if they could have taken more risks I'll admit. Regardless, there is a massive difference in quality in the writing between ME:A and every other preceding Bioware game. Just to double check, I've been watching abit of DA:I (another horrible game imo) and DA:I is so much better, albeit already showing the signs of decline that would culminate here. I would also argue that writing for most major studios have caught up with or even exceeded Bioware who has regressed in this regard/remained in the past.
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Post by kaistormer on Apr 4, 2017 10:43:53 GMT
Good if somewhat short review.
It took 5 days for me to become uninterested in SP. 5 freaking days! I usually play for a few weeks or months, before I get fed up with the game and take a short brake. With MEA it took 5 days. And it's not because animations. I created my own version of Ryder's face and I am actually pretty satisfied with it. It still looks like a few years old game, but it's usable. It's also not bugs and glitches. They will get a fix, eventually. It's appalingly bad design. Repetitive, boring and empty. Quests are repetitive, characters, story, acting and dialogs are boring and without any substance and the galaxy is empty. The more I played, the more I felt this game was designed for 10 year olds. "Look mom, I can jump and boost my car! The best game ever!". Constant travelling back and forth, in and out of Nomad, constant Tempest animations, running circles around chars in order to get that "E" to appear, just so I can see if this person has anything to say, quest list that has absolutely no order or sense, UI that doesn't follow any logic (it's even worse than ESO's UI, and I never thought I would say that), etc. It goes on and on.
If not for the numerous bugs, I would say MP part of MEA is what they were focused upon. I mean, the idea to hide everything behind either an atrocious RNG or real cash, is trully unique. I imagine it took them months, if not years to develop that. Especially since this is a completely new game. Where nothing is copy pasted from some other source and everything is developed from scratch.
Combat and weapons are great. And while not always working perfectly (especially in MP) jumping and sliding is an excellent addition to combat. I actually see a potential MMO in this game, but this whole game has potential. A huge one. It's just very unlikely that BioEA will suddenly either employ people with necessary skills or change their politics in regards to the MEA.
I'm sad. It looks like another great one has fallen.
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 4, 2017 11:17:37 GMT
Mostly text versus fully voiced? Fair comparison indeed. Next! Absolutely fair comparison, it takes much stronger writing to make text only characters engaging and immersive, yet Torment manages it, and ME:A doesn't.
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Mostly text versus fully voiced? Fair comparison indeed. Next! Absolutely fair comparison, it takes much stronger writing to make text only characters engaging and immersive, yet Torment manages it, and ME:A doesn't. Exactly... in a way it's even more sad that way, with MEA having all those visual possibilities.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 11:30:55 GMT
I could not have said it better myself. Perfectly sums up my feelings towards the game shortly after completing "introductionary" story ruins on EOS and moving on into "big world". The more I play it, the harder it gets to shake of an MMO vibe. Run from marker to marker, do meaningless fetch quests, kill mobs... hell, playing on Kadara felt like playing SWTOR. But even with all the bugs and fetch-quest mmo design the biggest flaw is bad character writing, something that was always strong in previous BW games and had always been a cornerstone of fun in them, that allowed to easily ignore all other flaws and loopholes.
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 4, 2017 12:17:34 GMT
The writing, delivery, and animations look to me like maintaining immersion would be tough when trying to RP in the protagonist's shoes. I haven't looked at a lot of gameplay video though. The lack of any difference in the responses you can give put the nail in the coffin of RP in this game.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 4, 2017 12:59:27 GMT
Good review, he hit the nail on the head.
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Post by amleth on Apr 4, 2017 16:00:22 GMT
PC world haha,they sell pc what the hell do they know. The best review is your own review the games good. And I happen to agree with their review, so?
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