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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 3:43:59 GMT
I tried playing on the PS4, but I had two saves ruined because of the missing ground textures and then throw in all the other issues... The biggest issue is the lack of cohesion and horrible gameflow. I got bored with Inquisition. I marveled at the art, but I felt like it was less about being the Inquisitor and more like being a single player in a big MMO environment. Side quests are seemingly needless. Your choices don't really matter anyway in the end. It's no longer a pick-your-path adventure. It's more like Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 without the modding community. Andromeda offered a fresh slate and they reused the same premise. Too many AAA titles are offering more of the same. Why doesn't New Vegas count as a pick-your-path adventure? It does and it actually did much better with the help of the modding community. I know Obsidian did a great job of keeping the lore right. Obsidian is great at understanding lore, something Bioware created created in part through its subsidiary, Black Isle. After Interplay, I jumped for joy at EA's acquisition. Then I discovered the internet...
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Post by empirex on Apr 5, 2017 3:49:18 GMT
Or we can treat video game developers as normal people and not put even the best in some weird God tier pedestal.
Favorites are fine but people treating this costumer/business relation like a pimp with his harem has been strange. It certainly explains this odd personal affront people have with freaking companies.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 5, 2017 3:53:50 GMT
The internet is an amazing and wonderful too but then we get topics like what the op posted. Everyone's special nowadays and just has to let the world know their every thought. Disgusting. So censor me. I don't jump on people's threads that praise the game for stuff I don't care about. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. Let's find you a cupcake. Feel free to find me one too. You owe me for giving me cataracts after reading this. I demand compensation.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 5, 2017 3:54:13 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually. I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. You should have been there when origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 3:56:18 GMT
I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. You should have been there when origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. Interesting
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 5, 2017 3:57:38 GMT
I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. You should have been there what origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. It's a well known fact that every BioWare game ever produced is an affront to everything the previous BioWare game stands for.
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Post by joglee on Apr 5, 2017 3:58:29 GMT
PS3 users never got to experience ME1, they have no idea this is closer to ME1 than any other in the series. All playstation users got was a interactive comic for the first game. The first mass effect is available on ps3 since 2012. Well that's new. Last I played the trilogy only had it as a interactive comic.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 5, 2017 4:02:40 GMT
You should have been there what origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. It's a well known fact that every BioWare game ever produced is an affront to everything the previous BioWare game stands for. It's why I don't take most of anyone's opinion on here too seriously.
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Post by Innocent Bystander on Apr 5, 2017 4:06:39 GMT
Why is it that nowadays everyone's a critic, everyone knows everything and apparently noone played any other game in at least five years. Compared to what developers/publishers usually consider a 'finished product' with 'new features', Mass Effect: Andromeda is truly a One-Eyed King. In over 100 hours no crashes, no gamebreaking bugs, no corrupted saves, no sudden FPS drops or anything like that. Also, works flawlessly in 21:9. Last game that worked this well I can remember was World of Warcraft. I'll take ME:A's issues over, well, any other AAA game's issues in a heartbeat.
Also, whoever thinks that old BioWare games were better, Baldur's Gate (SoA more so) was bugged as fuck, see various unofficial patches fixing numerous, potentially gamebreaking, bugs. And that's from a person that to this day still thinks that BG 2 is the best game ever made.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 5, 2017 4:10:21 GMT
I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. You should have been there when origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 4:10:30 GMT
Because Saren was Shepard's equal in a sense. He was competent, charismatic and funny in his own way, even when taunting you: "Are we allowing dreams into evidence now? How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony?" "Captain Anderson, you always seem to be involved when humanity makes false charges against me. And this must be your protege..." "Shift the blame to cover your own failures, just like Captain Anderson, he's taught you well." - Can't deny that they were great deliveries by Fred Tatasciore, of course. He made the character great. Saren was also the Council's best spectre before you came along, and was not afraid to get his own hands dirty to get results. Not a cliche like what the Illusive Man became in ME3 (he was still good in ME2, though, even if trying too hard to be cool), but he spents ME3 hiding and smoking while still taunting you with the most horrible lines: "Shepard, you're out of your depth." "Shepard, your vision is pathetically limited." "Once again, you fail to recognize the truth. Cerberus is this and not that." Even though you keep ruining his plans through the entire game. And his organization has a history of incompetence to the point of hilarity. Even Hackett mentions this in one of his lines. Or the Archon now: "I won't explain what you can't understand." "Your defiance is naive and reckless. This day marks the beginning of your greatness." WTH? Those lines are so cliche and never make characters look good. Why does everyone hate Kai Leng? Because it's all he did, taunt: he calls you a coward and runs away in every single encounter. Why was Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2 so well received? He was, most of the time, the funniest character in the game. He always thought he was the hero: "Damn Bandits! Stop screwing with my stuff!" "Sometimes I envy you bandits, you're so...unburdened with things like intelligence, culture, morality, honor, ambition, good looks... I could go on, but I won't... but I could..." You really hit the nail on the head - The great Bioware villains are often the characters you do not consider to be villains, or is trying to achieve something you can sympathize with, even if you disagree. Jon Irenicus, Saren, Illusive Man (ME2), Solas, The Arishok, Loghain. Its not like they haven't created great villains in their previous games, but they need to step away from the "mwhahaha i am evil and you can't/don't understand my reasons" cliche. The only thing that made Corypheus tolerable was that he is tied to previous lore, and could provide answers to questions we have had since the franchise started. The Archon doesn't connect to anything, and he never tries to be compelling. His only good scene is his introduction, because he doesn't speak and it has some nice visual storytelling. So that is his only plus. The main villain for Andromeda however is Addison! Her face is constantly tired, and she can't pronounce Pathfinder.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 5, 2017 4:13:23 GMT
No worries! Besides the fact that you don't like the writing, the easily fixable bugs and facial animations, what do you not like about the mechanics? Are you wanting it to be streamlined and linear again or do you want them to perfect crafting a massive RPG with the freedom to explore space/planets? I enjoyed ME1 the most in the OT because of the sense of exploration which is why I enjoy MEA. I also really enjoy playing destiny so I really like how the combat basically feels like 3rd person destiny. I love the tempest design and the Nomad although I wish there was a small gun on the Nomad to shoot at drop ships or enemy land vehicles. Nothing too powerful but something to diversify the gameplay and give us the option to also fight enemy vehicles while on foot much like the mechs. I enjoy most of the writing and characters playing as default Scott because he reminds me of the Chris Pine's James Kirk in Star Trek and the story (which seems pretty generic and typical from the surface) actually has some deep themes and complexities to it. The game isn't the second coming of Christ but I would say it's not really mediocre either. I do wish it was more polished but it has ruined the experience I tried playing on the PS4, but I had two saves ruined because of the missing ground textures and then throw in all the other issues... The biggest issue is the lack of cohesion and horrible gameflow. I got bored with Inquisition. I marveled at the art, but I felt like it was less about being the Inquisitor and more like being a single player in a big MMO environment. Side quests are seemingly needless. Your choices don't really matter anyway in the end. It's no longer a pick-your-path adventure. It's more like Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 without the modding community. Andromeda offered a fresh slate and they reused the same premise. Too many AAA titles are offering more of the same. I feel like the game might hurt itself for most people's first playthrough (bugs aside) because of the level of freedom this time. I can continue onward with the story and hunting the Archon or I can stay on this planet and do everything possible until I'm burned out! I enjoyed the flow because I made my own priority list of when to do things until the game would throw me a curve ball. I went to Havarl first because it was closer to EOS and the Nexus so Journey wise, it made sense. I went there on a main mission but during that path came across the vault to change the world's weather. In doing so I can across all the Rokar fighting the turians, helped a Tokar leader and gathered a few requests. The main story was my first priority then I went down the list based on importance because Voeld wasn't pressing just yet. If something important came up like another ark or something life threatening to an ally, I dropped everything as soon as I could. I typically played each planet until an outpost was established. establishing an outpost, dealing with the kett, helping my squad mates came first. Then when there was some down time, or it seemed like Ryder should go back to pathfinding duties, I would go do the most pressing. The vaults ended up being one of the last missions for me as a way to prepare for Meridian in case the mission failed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 4:14:40 GMT
You should have been there when origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do. Dragon Age Origins is my all time favourite game. A perfect blend between old school and modern Bioware. Played that game for 3000 hours, and i will continue to play it until the day i die. There aren't many games i can say the same thing about. It is truly a classic, and a masterpiece. I have faith in the Dragon Age team though. Trespasser really had that Origins feeling going for it, if they can carry that forward to DA:4 it will be awesome.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 5, 2017 4:15:28 GMT
Why doesn't New Vegas count as a pick-your-path adventure? It does and it actually did much better with the help of the modding community. I know Obsidian did a great job of keeping the lore right. Obsidian is great at understanding lore, something Bioware created created in part through its subsidiary, Black Isle. After Interplay, I jumped for joy at EA's acquisition. Then I discovered the internet... Then where were you going with "It's more like New Vegas.."?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 4:17:25 GMT
Or we can treat video game developers as normal people and not put even the best in some weird God tier pedestal. Favorites are fine but people treating this costumer/business relation like a pimp with his harem has been strange. It certainly explains this odd personal affront people have with freaking companies. Of course we should, and that is why every game is flawed aswell, because we are flawed. I just think people miss that precision, where a game is so good that the flaws are nitpicking and not major gripes. I like Andromeda, but it is one of the most flawed Bioware titles i've played. This has nothing to do with enjoyment, but rather how the whole product comes together. When every element of the game is done with such a polish that it oozes art, that is worthy of praise. This isn't it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 4:18:46 GMT
It does and it actually did much better with the help of the modding community. I know Obsidian did a great job of keeping the lore right. Obsidian is great at understanding lore, something Bioware created created in part through its subsidiary, Black Isle. After Interplay, I jumped for joy at EA's acquisition. Then I discovered the internet... Then where were you going with "It's more like New Vegas.."? You're right. I won't edit the post, but you're right.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 5, 2017 4:18:50 GMT
You should have been there when origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do. He's telling the truth. A lot of old-time players were very upset at DAO copying MMO concepts like Threat and infinitely increasing stats. And the various origins for the PC got plenty of grief for locking the PC into pre-existing relationships, exactly the way that ME:A and DA2 would later on. Plus weak graphics simplistic rouge and warrior talent trees, and terrible balance. Eventually most of the old-timers came around because of the game's strengths in other areas, but it really was bad for a few weeks. Nothing like as bad as NWN's release, of course. You are in denial.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 5, 2017 4:19:14 GMT
I know, it was more of general question... Dunno, honestly, we didn't have many AAA RPGs... but I didn't have nearly as many issues with Fallout 4 or Dark Souls, and I'm not only talking bugs here. Neither was I. Actually strictly speaking I have been getting a lot of bugs the last couple of days. They are still pretty minor nuisances but if it continues I still might have to mention it in the review. New bugs on my second PT, as well. Repeated dialogue is annoying the crap out of me. Over and over again, with Dr. Lexi and Peebee.
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Post by commandercole5 on Apr 5, 2017 4:19:55 GMT
Is anyoen gonna bring up the fact that this isnt bioware prime? Yea, just because it is a different studio doesn't mean we should consider this a BioWare game! Except it still has the BioWare name on It, and they still espouse the same goals as "BioWare Prime" so why should they be held to a lesser standard exactly? Because they are a lesser team, It's like holding the JV team to the same standards of the Varsity starting line
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 4:23:04 GMT
Or we can treat video game developers as normal people and not put even the best in some weird God tier pedestal. Favorites are fine but people treating this costumer/business relation like a pimp with his harem has been strange. It certainly explains this odd personal affront people have with freaking companies. Of course we should, and that is why every game is flawed aswell, because we are flawed. I just think people miss that precision, where a game is so good that the flaws are nitpicking and not major gripes. I like Andromeda, but it is one of the most flawed Bioware titles i've played. This has nothing to do with enjoyment, but rather how the whole product comes together. When every element of the game is done with such a polish that it oozes art, that is worthy of praise. This isn't it. What is God tier? How about having a reputation for being polished and innovative. You're never going to be completely consistent, but you're trying. Musicians, artists, writers all evolve. The best stay true to their vision. I really thought game designers and developers were in that group. Empirex proved that they shouldn't be. Well played Empirex.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 5, 2017 4:24:07 GMT
You should have been there when origins launched... It was a bloodbath for a little while. Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do. So I guess the vocal contingent of fans bitching about origins being too easy, linear and nothing like baldurs gate never happened then? Or the complaints about graphics and bugs and all that as well? It's not about comparing the two games (where you got that idea is a mystery) but pointing out how predictable the pattern of behavior is with most of the people on this forum. Do not try to whitewash events by denying they didn't exist. Nothing peeves me more when people do that.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 5, 2017 4:26:12 GMT
Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do. He's telling the truth. A lot of old-time players were very upset at DAO copying MMO concepts like Threat and infinitely increasing stats. Eventually most of them came around because of the game's strengths in other areas, but it really was bad for a few weeks. Nothing like as bad as NWN's release, of course. You are in denial. Nope. From my perspective that's revisionist history. You're the one in denial - keep trying to make Andromeda appear on par with Bioware's past. Feel free to check out DA:O on metacritic and look up it's early user reviews. If there was any discontent, that'd be filled with 0's just like with Andromeda, but guess what? It's not.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 5, 2017 4:27:01 GMT
I have never been one to idealize a company,person, thing etc because in the end they all eventually fail. I don't really need an apology from BioWare to be happy. They are a company, and they do what companies do best. Sweep their problems under the rug like everyone else while acting like nothing is truly wrong. A little patch here and there, and everything will be alright.
The lesson Cora learned about idealizing something is strangely relevant here.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 5, 2017 4:27:46 GMT
Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do. So I guess the vocal contingent of fans bitching about origins being too easy, linear and nothing like baldurs gate never happened then? Or the complaints about graphics and bugs and all that as well? It's not about comparing the two games (where you got that idea is a mystery) but pointing out how predictable the pattern of behavior is with most of the people on this forum. Do not try to whitewash events by denying they didn't exist. Nothing peeves me more when people do that. And I say to you - don't try and whitewash Andromeda's flaws by bitching about Bioware's past - which produced far more polished work than its present. www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-origins/user-reviews?sort-by=date&num_items=100&page=6
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 4:28:23 GMT
Nope - interesting how you try and rewrite history by putting down Bioware's old games to make Andromeda seem on par though. Origins was incredibly well received by fans. Unless you're talking about EA's Origin - lol, that's probably what you're talking about. Yeah, people loathed Origin, still do. So I guess the vocal contingent of fans bitching about origins being too easy, linear and nothing like baldurs gate never happened then? Or the complaints about graphics and bugs and all that as well? It's not about comparing the two games (where you got that idea is a mystery) but pointing out how predictable the pattern of behavior is with most of the people on this forum. Do not try to whitewash events by denying they didn't exist. Nothing peeves me more when people do that. I honestly don't recall, I was too busy playing the game back then to know what was going on in the forums. Seriously though, every game released since video game forums on the internet were invented has had people giving some sort of backlash about some element of the game. Sometimes it is deserved, sometimes its not. It is up to the developer to cut through that and find the valid dissatisfaction and ignore the mob mentality that is just piling on for the sake of it. Some developers are good at that, some aren't.
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