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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 1:19:36 GMT
No apology? The game is broken at launch for me on the PS4, just like Inquisition for the PC two years ago.
To the bargain bin you go Bioware. You might make games that appeal to pew-pew (Press "A" and something awesome will happen...) fans who like amateur-hour writing and no polishing on voice acting. I admit, I was stupid buying a Bioware game hoping the magic that they found in Origins and in the Normandy would pass onto an entirely new generation of writers and designers.
Bioware... you're just a cheap and poorly-executed copy of what you were. Stop calling yourself Bioware. DICEware! Anyone wearing a Bioware badge is now just a pretender. Good luck in the real world because thanks to your managers, leads and EA-meddling, you're not special anymore.
Well, I said it two years ago if the trend continues... the IPs will end up in someone else's hand and who knows? It might end up with someone who actually loves the franchise instead of treating it as a burden.
Mediocrity is the new high, huh?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:23:33 GMT
Do you call most companies by other names that are not their own to try and make some kind of point?
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 1:30:13 GMT
The company of today is just an EA subsidiary wearing the BioWare skin... after DAI, I was willing to give them another chance, but they thoroughly blew that one too. So yea, I see what you mean, and I feel similarly. Fix the game, make DLC, I will not care for your future products anymore.
Rest in peace BW...
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Post by commandercole5 on Apr 5, 2017 1:35:14 GMT
Is anyoen gonna bring up the fact that this isnt bioware prime?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 1:35:46 GMT
Do you call most companies by other names that are not their own to try and make some kind of point? You bet I do! Here's a tampon. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:36:55 GMT
Is anyoen gonna bring up the fact that this isnt bioware prime? I was going to wait for a patch for the thread... |
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 1:39:07 GMT
I had been doing that since ME2. This is the first BW game I bought since then that wasn't on a $5 Origin sale. MEA definitely has big issues it needs to fix, and soon (and not Soon™), but the game overall and the story I thought was.... adequate. Not great but not bad enough for me to call them names. Yet.  We'll see how long it takes them to fix things before it comes to that. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 1:42:05 GMT
Is anyoen gonna bring up the fact that this isnt bioware prime? I was going to wait for a patch for the thread... Why? A patch will not change the fact that they released a sub par product and didn't even acknowledge the fact that the screwed up. It's essentially ME3s EC all over again... only on much larger scale (the whole game) this time. What will be next? An actual full price alpha version they will need another year to finish via patches? I know, it's hyperbole, but how far should fandom go? How lenient can one be with a company that disappoints their customers constantly? |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 5, 2017 1:43:14 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:44:41 GMT
I was going to wait for a patch for the thread... Why? A patch will not change the fact that they released a sub par product and didn't even acknowledge the fact that the screwed up. It's essentially ME3s EC all over again... only on much larger scale (the whole game). You obviously missed my sarcasm...and the word 'thread' not 'game.' But addressing your comment. Andromeda really is no better off in terms of polish then any other tripple A RPG released....well probably in the last ten years or so. Maybe the Witcher 3 beats it. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 1:48:30 GMT
Why? A patch will not change the fact that they released a sub par product and didn't even acknowledge the fact that the screwed up. It's essentially ME3s EC all over again... only on much larger scale (the whole game). You obviously missed my sarcasm...and the word 'thread' not 'game.' But addressing your comment. Andromeda really is no better off in terms of polish then any other tripple A RPG released....well probably in the last ten years or so. Maybe the Witcher 3 beats it. I know, it was more of general question...  Dunno, honestly, we didn't have many AAA RPGs... but I didn't have nearly as many issues with Fallout 4 or Dark Souls, and I'm not only talking bugs here, and since Witcher 3 came out, basically no AAA RPG was THAT poorly done. ...and no, that's not classic BioWare. There games always had some problems, but with each year, they got worse at roughly the same pace they lost good people. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:48:52 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually. I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:49:56 GMT
You obviously missed my sarcasm...and the word 'thread' not 'game.' But addressing your comment. Andromeda really is no better off in terms of polish then any other tripple A RPG released....well probably in the last ten years or so. Maybe the Witcher 3 beats it. I know, it was more of general question... Dunno, honestly, we didn't have many AAA RPGs... but I didn't have nearly as many issues with Fallout 4 or Dark Souls, and I'm not only talking bugs here. Neither was I. Actually strictly speaking I have been getting a lot of bugs the last couple of days. They are still pretty minor nuisances but if it continues I still might have to mention it in the review. |
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 1:52:44 GMT
I know, it was more of general question... Dunno, honestly, we didn't have many AAA RPGs... but I didn't have nearly as many issues with Fallout 4 or Dark Souls, and I'm not only talking bugs here. Neither was I. Actually strictly speaking I have been getting a lot of bugs the last couple of days. They are still pretty minor nuisances but if it continues I still might have to mention it in the review. Fortunately I didn't get any of the CTD's or infinite loading screens or anything like that. My issues were more the 2 Dracks in the kitchen and unresponsive floating enemies and the like. |
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Uncle Cyan
Dang it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 1:53:54 GMT
You obviously missed my sarcasm...and the word 'thread' not 'game.' But addressing your comment. Andromeda really is no better off in terms of polish then any other tripple A RPG released....well probably in the last ten years or so. Maybe the Witcher 3 beats it. I know, it was more of general question... Dunno, honestly, we didn't have many AAA RPGs... but I didn't have nearly as many issues with Fallout 4 or Dark Souls, and I'm not only talking bugs here. Colfoy missed the point. Bioware used to be above (WAY ABOVE) all other AAA companies. They used to make their own engines. Yeah... remember that? Who does that now? Mediocrity because it's politically correct! WOOHOO! No one is special if everyone is special. I guess DICEware is going to hand out achievements pretty soon too: Participated in Mass Effect, Preordered Mass Effect, Waited six months for patches, Criticized threads because of active damage control, etc. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 1:54:19 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually. I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. ...but at least they did work as games and the writing was consistent. Also: The games industry, the way story is told in games specifically, has changed EXTREMELY since the days of ME1 and DAO. Witcher 3 is larded like that because it does represent much of that change/evolution. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:59:21 GMT
I know, it was more of general question... Dunno, honestly, we didn't have many AAA RPGs... but I didn't have nearly as many issues with Fallout 4 or Dark Souls, and I'm not only talking bugs here. Colfoy missed the point. Bioware used to be above (WAY ABOVE) all other AAA companies. They used to make their own engines. Yeah... remember that? Who does that now? Mediocrity because it's politically correct! WOOHOO! No one is special if everyone is special. I guess DICEware is going to hand out achievements pretty soon too: Participated in Mass Effect, Preordered Mass Effect, Waited six months for patches, Criticized threads because of active damage control, etc. Again I am just not seeing the decrease in company because for me Andromeda is way above what most tripple A development firms try forcing down our throat and calling it 'video games'. BioWare continues to live up to its previous standards, and if its previous standards was DA O/ ME 1...exceed them. Almost across the board. |
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 5, 2017 2:00:07 GMT
No apology? The game is broken at launch for me on the PS4, just like Inquisition for the PC two years ago. To the bargain bin you go Bioware. You might make games that appeal to pew-pew (Press "A" and something awesome will happen...) fans who like amateur-hour writing and no polishing on voice acting. I admit, I was stupid buying a Bioware game hoping the magic that they found in Origins and in the Normandy would pass onto an entirely new generation of writers and designers. Bioware... you're just a cheap and poorly-executed copy of what you were. Stop calling yourself Bioware. DICEware! Anyone wearing a Bioware badge is now just a pretender. Good luck in the real world because thanks to your managers, leads and EA-meddling, you're not special anymore. Well, I said it two years ago if the trend continues... the IPs will end up in someone else's hand and who knows? It might end up with someone who actually loves the franchise instead of treating it as a burden. Mediocrity is the new high, huh? The game is much better than Mass Effect 3 which was basically Gears Effect 3 that tried to be serious and epic and was instead an awkward, boring mess with hardly any replay value. MEA needs polish but the story and characters are an improvement and refreshing. The writing hits a few lows for all the highs, but nothing to warrant your protest. I recently tried replaying ME3 and the voice acting is so robotic. Basically "We'll Bang, Ok?" type bad. The story itself in MEA has pacing issues at times but the religious themes and Indiana Jones Nazi dominance/quest for the Holy Grail in space kicked ass (if you have a brain and can analyze the story and all its side content beyond face value). If you're still around registered on the forums as a so called "fan", and just now deciding to leave after a hissy fit now instead of during ME3, I question your thought process. Otherwise, I imagine you will be here posting again when the next dlc or game comes out and your thread has no purpose. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 5, 2017 2:00:25 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually. I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. People are delusional. This is classy Bioware, even the reviews say so. As in, they haven't changed. And the ones who say Bioware is lost, are the same people who worship ME1 and think MEA is vastly inferior, when the game is a much improved carbon copy of the original. Go freakin' figure. |
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Dang it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 5, 2017 2:05:13 GMT
Yes, let's all keep making excuses. It's my opinion. Heart felt. Much more emotive than the game itself.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 5, 2017 2:06:34 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually. LoL - how old are you? This is classic Bioware: Baldur's Gate 1+2 Icewind Dale 1+2 KOTOR Mass Effect 1-3 Dragon Age Origins Jade Empire NWN This is new Bioware: DA2 ME:A DA:I |
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 2:07:28 GMT
I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. People are delusional. This is classy Bioware, even the reviews say so. As in, they haven't changed. And the ones who say Bioware is lost, are the same people who worship ME1 and think MEA is vastly inferior, when the game is a much improved carbon copy of the original. Go freakin' figure. You still don't get it... that's not what people have a problem with. Back when ME1 came out, they did break new ground in terms of storytelling in RPGs... at least in the west. Same in DAO, they took the classic Infinity Engine RPG formular and made it more cinematic. Every new game in both series tried something new... ME2 did the episodic approach of interconnected character stories, DA2 did the large time scale - limited location approach, DAI brought the open world into the mix... and MEA? Yea, that took a tiny part from most of the other games and went back to ME1... and f-ed it up. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 5, 2017 2:08:40 GMT
This is classic Bioware, actually. LoL - how old are you? This is classic Bioware: Baldur's Gate 1+2 Icewind Dale 1+2 KOTOR Mass Effect 1-3 Dragon Age Origins Jade Empire NWN This is new Bioware: DA2 ME:A DA:I Less of the turd you are, that I do know. And as usual, you fail to understand what anyone says. Gimme a break kiddo. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 5, 2017 2:10:55 GMT
People are delusional. This is classy Bioware, even the reviews say so. As in, they haven't changed. And the ones who say Bioware is lost, are the same people who worship ME1 and think MEA is vastly inferior, when the game is a much improved carbon copy of the original. Go freakin' figure. You still don't get it... that's not what people have a problem with. Back when ME1 came out, they did break new ground in terms of storytelling in RPGs... at least in the west. Same in DAO, they took the classic Infinity Engine RPG formular and made it more cinematic. Every new game in both series tried something new... ME2 did the episodic approach of interconnected character stories, DA2 did the large time scale - limited location approach, DAI brought the open world into the mix... and MEA? Yea, that took a tiny part from most of the other games and went back to ME1... Episodic approach? Large time scale - limited location? Cinematic? What? You think this was new stuff when it was out? Or they hadn't done it before? Seriously, what in the fuck?What part of sticking to their formula didn't you understand? |
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Post by Cyonan on Apr 5, 2017 2:11:51 GMT
I just find it weird. People talk about ME 1/ DA O with a lot of respect and awe...as if they are the ultimate pinnacle of gaming that can never really ever be surprassed unless you are talking the Witcher 3. And while ME 1 especially did have its special moments....both games were also clunky messes which made a lot of questionable story and character decisions. Liara's fawning over Shepard for instance? Need I say more...wait I forgot apparently most people like being slobbered over. ...but at least they did work as games and the writing was consistent. Also: The games industry, the way story is told in games specifically, has changed EXTREMELY since the days of ME1 and DAO. Witcher 3 is larded like that because it does represent much of that change/evolution. To be honest I think ME1 and DA:O also kind of get away with a few things because they were the introduction to the setting. Origins has a painfully cliche main storyline, but you still get lost in the world building and characters they have. Mass Effect 1's story makes very little sense when you think about it but again, you're lost in the world building and characters. With Andromeda there was very little background world building other than some Angara lore and a little bit on the Kett and Remnant. The Milky Way species just got to Andromeda and thus have no backstory to explore that we don't already know, so the entire game's writing is now on the shoulders of the main plot which I don't think main plot has ever really been BioWare's strongest suit. I also feel like villains in particular are getting weaker. Saren or Loghain are just so much better than the Archon or Corypheus. The Archon in particular feels like he has virtually no personality. I never had a moment where I want "Okay, that mother fucker is going to be beaten to death with his own spine". |
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