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Post by Prince on Nov 19, 2016 15:53:44 GMT
I worked and made a warden queen . Then I play awakening no one seems to care, same with DA2. And in DAI I just got a letter it makes me very disappointed. It doesn't also help the fact that the Queen ending for some reason that i don't really understand is intrinsecally tied with the Morrigan 's ritual, the game doesn't allow the PC to marry Alistair if you recruit Loghain but at the same time it does allow to recruit Loghain and marry him to Anora,basically what he game is telling me is that Anora(woman from whom Alistair doesn't care)is able to persuade him but the warden is not able to do that...this doesn't make much sense imho....
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Post by Catilina on Nov 19, 2016 16:12:15 GMT
I worked and made a warden queen . Then I play awakening no one seems to care, same with DA2. And 3 you you just get a letter it makes me very disappointed. It doesn't also help the fact that the ending for some reasons that i don't really understand is intrinsecally tied with the Morrigan 's ritual, the game doesn't allow to marry Alistair if you recruit Loghain while at the same time it does allow to recruit Loghain and marry him to Anora....bah. It's not illogical, because of Loghain is Anora's father, but Alistair's enemy. And yes, it seems the dark ritual is a forced decision; but something for something... Seems fem Cousland sacrifice her (and Alistair's) innocence for throne (and for love), male Cousland sacrifice his love for throne (unless, he love Anora)...
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Post by secretrare on Nov 19, 2016 16:12:37 GMT
It doesn't also help the fact that the Queen ending for some reason that i don't really understand is intrinsecally tied with the Morrigan 's ritual, the game doesn't allow the PC to marry Alistair if you recruit Loghain but at the same time it does allow to recruit Loghain and marry him to Anora,basically what he game is telling me is that Anora(woman from whom Alistair doesn't care)is able to persuade him but the warden is not able to do that...this doesn't make much sense imho.... Cause the devs were insistent on the DR being a tempting decision for almost everyone no matter how little sense it made. Why would Alistair stomp off in a huff if you recruit Loghain? He was fine with saving Sten, who don't forget had just murdered children, but not Loghain?
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Post by secretrare on Nov 19, 2016 16:14:21 GMT
I worked and made a warden queen . Then I play awakening no one seems to care, same with DA2. And 3 you you just get a letter it makes me very disappointed. It doesn't also help the fact that the ending for some reasons that i don't really understand is intrinsecally tied with the Morrigan 's ritual, the game doesn't allow to marry Alistair if you recruit Loghain while at the same time it does allow to recruit Loghain and marry him to Anora....bah. It's not illogical, because of Loghain is Anora's father, but Alistair's enemy. And yes, it seems the dark ritual is a forced decision; but something for something... Seems fem Cousland sacrifice her (and Allistair's) innocence for throne, male Cousland sacrifice his love for throne (unless, he love Anora)... It's illogical why would AListair listen to Anora only but not the warden LI?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 19, 2016 16:21:20 GMT
It's not illogical, because of Loghain is Anora's father, but Alistair's enemy. And yes, it seems the dark ritual is a forced decision; but something for something... Seems fem Cousland sacrifice her (and Allistair's) innocence for throne, male Cousland sacrifice his love for throne (unless, he love Anora)... It's illogical why would AListair listen to Anora only but not the warden LI? That's because the Warden is his lover and friend, so: he feel betrayed. Anora is nobody for him, so: he don't feel betrayed. (And: Loghain is Anora's father, maybe he understand mor easier.) Not mentioned, that Bioware loves the hard decisions...
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Post by secretrare on Nov 19, 2016 16:40:06 GMT
It's illogical why would AListair listen to Anora only but not the warden LI? That's because the Warden is his lover and friend, so: he feel betrayed. Anora is nobody for him, so: he don't feel betrayed. (And: Loghain is Anora's father, maybe he understand mor easier.) Not mentioned, that Bioware loves the hard decisions... This logic is needlessly convoluted,hard decisions are a thing and forced hard decisions that don't make sense for story sake are an entirely different thing,here we have someone who is willing to listen the advices of a stranger and even ready to marry her for compromise but that isn't willing to do the same for a lover,and that the warden is bound with someone doesn't mean he/she will kill just because they said so,if it wasn't for that forced Morrigan subplot noone of these would have happened
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Post by Catilina on Nov 19, 2016 16:48:15 GMT
That's because the Warden is his lover and friend, so: he feel betrayed. Anora is nobody for him, so: he don't feel betrayed. (And: Loghain is Anora's father, maybe he understand mor easier.) Not mentioned, that Bioware loves the hard decisions... This logic is needlessly convoluted,hard decisions are a thing and forced hard decisions that don't make sense for story sake are an entirely different thing,here we have someone who is willing to listen the advices of a stranger and even ready to marry her for compromise but that isn't willing to do the same for a lover,and that the warden is bound with someone doesn't mean he/she will kill just because they said so,if it wasn't for that forced Morrigan subplot noone of these would have happened It's true, I just tried to throw light on a possible reason. Convoluted? As Bioware games' logic are usually. (And the people rarely thinking logical under the effect of strong emotions, as for example love/hatred)
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Post by Prince on Nov 19, 2016 16:52:01 GMT
The Landsmeet is needlessly convoluted and they could have simplified the whole ending. I guess the answer to all these issues is 'because reasons' but it's annoying and a bit silly. I end up shrugging and going with it, what else can you do?
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 21, 2016 1:33:27 GMT
It doesn't also help the fact that the Queen ending for some reason that i don't really understand is intrinsecally tied with the Morrigan 's ritual, the game doesn't allow the PC to marry Alistair if you recruit Loghain but at the same time it does allow to recruit Loghain and marry him to Anora,basically what he game is telling me is that Anora(woman from whom Alistair doesn't care)is able to persuade him but the warden is not able to do that...this doesn't make much sense imho.... Cause the devs were insistent on the DR being a tempting decision for almost everyone no matter how little sense it made. Why would Alistair stomp off in a huff if you recruit Loghain? He was fine with saving Sten, who don't forget had just murdered children, but not Loghain? Alistair has spent quite a bit of the game mourning the loss of Duncan, the father figure in his life. He holds Loghain responsible for Duncan's death and will feel betrayed by the Warden if she spares him. Pretty much the only thing Alistair wants besides ending the Blight is bringing Loghain to justice for treason, so if the Warden (who has presumably known all along that this is what he wants) denies him he becomes super angry and leaves her. Even a the end of the game he is quite bitter. Too bad there's no way to tell him if the Warden chooses the Redeemer ending. Warden: Alistair, I know you're still angry with me for sparing Loghain... Alistair: How could you do that when you know what he did? And now he's a hero for killing the Archdemon! They're building a statue of him in front of the palace! Warden: Let them. I avenged Duncan and that's what matters. Alistair: You... you did? Warden: You wanted Loghain dead? I destroyed his soul.
Alistair: *terrified*
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Post by phoray on Nov 21, 2016 2:06:47 GMT
Cause the devs were insistent on the DR being a tempting decision for almost everyone no matter how little sense it made. Why would Alistair stomp off in a huff if you recruit Loghain? He was fine with saving Sten, who don't forget had just murdered children, but not Loghain? Alistair has spent quite a bit of the game mourning the loss of Duncan, the father figure in his life. He holds Loghain responsible for Duncan's death and will feel betrayed by the Warden if she spares him. Pretty much the only thing Alistair wants besides ending the Blight is bringing Loghain to justice for treason, so if the Warden (who has presumably known all along that this is what he wants) denies him he becomes super angry and leaves her. Even a the end of the game he is quite bitter. Too bad there's no way to tell him if the Warden chooses the Redeemer ending. Warden: Alistair, I know you're still angry with me for sparing Loghain... Alistair: How could you do that when you know what he did? And now he's a hero for killing the Archdemon! They're building a statue of him in front of the palace! Warden: Let them. I avenged Duncan and that's what matters. Alistair: You... you did? Warden: You wanted Loghain dead? I destroyed his soul.
Alistair: *terrified* Huh. He specifically told my Warden he wasn't angry anymore, although our conversation then and at the start of Awakening were strained. What you put would have been a hilarious discussion.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 21, 2016 18:53:19 GMT
The scenario doesn't make sense it was planned to have them both in DAO then this option was cutted for reasons...
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Post by oyabun on Nov 30, 2016 1:50:34 GMT
It's the same story always with Bioware. Again, and again, and again. They do a nice game. They plan to do a trilogy with it but they don't plan the trilogy well. They imagine it on the road, putting plotholes allong the way. They then return to the initial point and... Wops. The road has fallen. Too many holes. Now there's not a solution. The Warden in DA: O is one of those things. If he/she died in the DA:O ending, no matter what, then all of this "Warden thing" will never happened. Buuuut nope. They put there the possibility of making him a nice and alive hero walking the land. And, if it's her, then Queen of Ferelden itself. A very bad Queen BTW, because she's NEVER THERE in any Ferelden Crisis. The mages rebellion one, for example... It's one of thoe moments when a kingdom needs his kings (both of them) specially because that queen was THE ONE WHO NEGOTIATE AND BRING TOGETHER MAGES OR TEMPLARS, OR BOTH. But no... She's out there.. You curing the blight or somethig... If I live in Ferelden, the first thing I put on the table is king's divorce. You know, your majesty, amh... Your spouse is... Not here... Never. So yo may consider... Ahem. Divorce. So, DAII. Alister was there because... What again? He was not necessary to that story. And the King of Ferelden (again, alone... You must do it very poorly in the bed, your majesty... Ahem) goes to talk with some rich person because... Reasons. And then we have DA: I. There's a war, demons attacking the contryside and of course the noble Queen Cousland is shopping so she's busy while her kingdom's population is getting slaughtered. And Orlais, you know, your imperials neighoors, are in a civil war, so it may invade you in any moment. And yes, the castle of Redcliff, you know, the most important defense outpost against Orlais has been taken from your hands (YOUR HANDS, MY AUSENT QUEEN) by some mages. So it's important for royalty being there. In the throne. Also the wardens... Weisshaupt has gone silent, the mages has turned into some fanatical *******, and you're Warden-Commander aswell. So you should come here soon, my Queen, and **** to your little quest. How do we solve this? We may could, in the past. If:
we've killed the Warden in DA:O or with the calling but no. This has to be made a la Bioware. We put a lot of epic things and we don't think in any of these until it's too late. And then we give everybody a cheap excuse. Hail, to the most plotholes creators of the world!!!You'll know, The Warden will be killed ofscreen, In a tavern brawl or something. Or he/she will be unable to find a cure and finally killed by the calling. Mark my words. The Warden will be killed offscreen.
Hall Hail to Queen Cousland the Queen of legends which is so legendary that doesn't even appear anymore.
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Nov 30, 2016 8:24:51 GMT
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Nov 30, 2016 15:18:31 GMT
Most people have probably seen this before, but I thought I'd share just in case. Alistair's face throughout the entire thing is priceless.
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Post by Julilla on Nov 30, 2016 22:14:22 GMT
/| OK, that was ridiculous, and I laughed like an idiot whenever they turned their heads and you could see the actor's hair.
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Post by Beregond5 on Dec 1, 2016 19:54:51 GMT
An older Alistair as a Warden. Looks good. Source: link
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Dec 1, 2016 21:06:49 GMT
He must've really admired Duncan...
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I posted this on BSN last Christmas. It earned me a warning point. By: Daemonica666
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I posted this on BSN last Christmas. It earned me a warning point. Well, it was worth it. Seriously though, is it OK here to post images like that? Because of Pro Boards and all it could possibly earn you more than just a warning point if it's not.
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Seen worse on the Solas thread. I think it's kosher
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Post by Kei on Jan 25, 2017 20:01:26 GMT
Hall Hail to Queen Cousland the Queen of legends which is so legendary that doesn't even appear anymore. Ah the Queens of Ferelden,who are essentially guilt-tripping Alistair into putting a child through the same thing he went through (bastard heir to the throne + absent father) and gambling the whole world in doing so for their own happiness ,very moral people indeed....
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Post by Catilina on Jan 25, 2017 20:47:28 GMT
Hall Hail to Queen Cousland the Queen of legends which is so legendary that doesn't even appear anymore. Ah the Queens of Ferelden,who are essentially guilt-tripping Alistair into putting a child through the same thing he went through (bastard heir to the throne + absent father) and gambling the whole world in doing so for their own happiness ,very moral people indeed.... Another moral keeper! I'm sure, that no one heard this before!
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 26, 2017 4:49:02 GMT
Hall Hail to Queen Cousland the Queen of legends which is so legendary that doesn't even appear anymore. Ah the Queens of Ferelden,who are essentially guilt-tripping Alistair into putting a child through the same thing he went through (bastard heir to the throne + absent father) and gambling the whole world in doing so for their own happiness ,very moral people indeed.... Well said but in addition to that I hate the fact that they gave to these players only benefits without costs and nullified the consequences to give to them the same outcome of the Non-DR runners.
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Post by Kei on Jan 26, 2017 5:49:31 GMT
Well said but in addition to that I hate the fact that they gave to these players only benefits without costs and nullified the consequences to give to them the same outcome of the Non-DR runners. Given how they promoted Morrigan and the DLC based around her the feeling I had was that the story was being shoehorned into the no-sacrifice-god-baby plotline. Plenty of people didn't like it.Then they even created a whole scene for it in DAI. But it seems that the existence of the ogb may have no impact and that's what's ridiculous.
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