about thermal clips...yes, again

Because as a gameplay mechanic, play-testing repeatedly showed that relying primarily on regenerating ammo was less fun. Making ammo limited forces better positioning and power usage, which entails risks that make combat more interesting than a dominant strategy of 'pew pew.'

Lore of gameplay mechanics will always bow to gameplay priorities like 'fun.' The rest is easily rationalizable in the lore as 'Remnant particle weaponry technology works better with recharge than ME kinitec weapons work with vintige heat sinks.' Vintinge heat sinks were always by lore suppose to be less capable, while nothing says that particle weaponry uses the exact same cooling technology.

And what that meant in practice was people turtling an pew pewing until the end of the fight after they expended their expendibles in the first bits of combat, at which point combat slowed to a crawl. Which, even if it's a dominant strategy, isn't a fun design because dominant strategies negate most forms of gameplay and lead to stagnation.




And they also weren't what people imagined they should be back when they were begging, which was something that was in all ways superior to thermal clips. (Well, when they cared about balance- come Citadel DLC, balance was moot).

What occurred in Andromeda is that both gameplay systems are balanced against eachother from the start, in which recharge is back... but it's not the burst damage/sustained DPS monster that people's ME2 arguments were based around about why recharge would be inherently superior. Recharge is now (mostly) balanced against thermal clips, where clips can offer higher rate for short periods of time (shots per magazine vs. sustained rate of fire), which brings back to the point of what, in lore, the thermal clips were always supposed to have an advantage in- burst damage over damage-over-time.

This allows strategic flexibility, without always providing a dominant strategy. Some guns work better as recharge. Others don't. Some situations recharge is more convenient. Other times it isn't. This is all good.

I can certainly agree this should have been attempted earlier, but it's certainly a step forward and a compromise.



The recharge category of weapons is rare, balanced against the other weapon types, and not a default. All of these are are relevant for gameplay's sake.

And if you haven't run out of ammo... good for you! Consider playing on higher difficulties, where bullet sponges are more common, or just commend yourself for mastering a system that can be made a bit more difficult in the future.

(Mind you, MEA's combat system already gets lots of positive reviews for allowing mobility, so whether it needs more ammo shortage to encourage that is a separate date.)



Kinda missing the forest for the trees there, luv.


Where's your lore justification for why they're equivalent? Didn't you just play the lore card? Do try to be consistent.

There are weapons that use the cool-down system you can find? Uh....how do you identify them? I've only used crafted weapons after the prologue.

I've hated the switch to "thermal clips" ever since ME2 and it hasn't abated. There they had a cool new system that was actually somewhat interesting, then replaced it with something old and tired. However, using a vintage heat sink with a sniper rifle hasn't been a resounding success except in weapons with "clip" size 1. Nerfnerfnerf...

cool story bro...don't post next time, you already embarrassed yourself in the other thread

By being mistaken about what weapon mods are in the game and how they work?


So embarrassing. I should have gone into exile.


Also, cool story bro? Is it 2010 again? Who's embarrassing themselves now?

Gotta get the CoDtards in somehow.

No really, there is zero reason to ever go to limited ammo after ME1's lore. You want reloads to get that shooter feel-> hybrid system where your heat sink cools off naturally but if you need to quick swap, you push R to eject the current sink module and slap in a new one. You are limited in the times you can do this and sinks popped out this way are either lost permanently or stored and cannot be used for some time, either till the end of the mission or unless you get to designated discharge stations. You want strategy and making things exciting? Don't pop all your sinks in the first five minutes, you may need more burst further into the fight. A well thought out tutorial mission would easily explain this to even the most dense fratboys or twelve-year-olds.

no, I am saying that the rem weapons work by default on cool down, they work fine and are balanced. He'll the inferno sniper rifle has SIX rapid fire shots before it overheats

But when you use a vintage heat sink on a MW weapons then the weapon is nerfed, take the crusader. Normally it has 4 shots per clip and it takes about 1 second to reload. Once you use the vintage heat sink you can only fire twice fore an overheat AND it takes a full two seconds to cool down. Double penalty.

Thanks for that info. That really should've been in the game somewhere. I've never used a Remnant weapon because they appeared to be weaker than the MW weapons. Now I have spent all my Remnant points on armor, grrr......

Having said that, I'm very pleased that Bioware put weapons using a cooldown system in the game at all.

I'm not sure, but it was my impression that the MW weapons have significantly more damage output per time unit than all others. Perhaps the MEA team thought they'd be too powerful if you could just add a vintage heat sink with no downside. Or they wanted people to have a good reason to use Remnant weapons, which there wouldn't be if changed MW weapons had unchanged dps.

A Black Widow with a vintage heat sink and +ammo modules that could still put out 5 shots in quick succession....would probably be the only SR people ever used.

The thing is, Vintage Heat Sink already has an impressive upside, namely the ability to reload and use powers at the same time. That's what balances out the dps loss, not the existence of Remnant weapons. On my first PT with Milky Way sniper rifles, I was constantly canceling my reloads by accident because I was firing off powers too early. With a Vintage Heat Sink, you can maintain that rhythm of "doing something" constantly: fire off a bunch of shots, fire off a few powers while heat dissipates, then go back to being Pew Pew Girl again. If you kept the same clip size and reload time from thermal clip weapons, there would be literally no downside to the Vintage Heat Sink and it would be the unbalanced broke-ass god-tier bullshit that some people apparently want it to be (and that the Bio-Converter currently is in reality). As it is, you can still abuse the Vintage Heat Sink to maintain constant high RoF with no effective reload time by swapping back and forth between two versions of the same weapon. Apparently that's not good enough?

This isn't even a lore argument, not really. The ME1 heat sinks, infamously, could allow players to shatter the laws of thermodynamics by firing infinitely with no heat buildup if you put a few points in, say, Pistols, and added the requisite heat-sink upgrades to your weapon. I don't know why that is apparently okay, but weapons based on limited "ammunition" and "reloads" are apparently the cancerous spawn of brainless CoDbros.

it would balance the higher reload time...sure...but not the loss of shots per clips not unless they allowed constant cool down like in ME1 and opposed to the MEA all or nothing cool down

vented weapons have no active reload in GOW...They just vent the heat (like the mulcher)