A New Social Order (Renegade missing)

Even paragon Shepard felt unstoppable and feared/respected by anyone, inclusive the reapers.

Btw the 4 choices in MEA HAVE the same outcome, the answer by NPC varies a little bit (nothing compared to MET), but the outcome is the same (one of the reasons why MET replayability value was high, we could just pick another option and got something else out of it, here... nothing changes).

And you know, I am not even sure if Ryder is paragon, sure the whole approach of Ryder is diplomatic, but even paragon Shep was badass. And I get this "the pathfinder is not a Spectre with the license to kill" but hey, there are many many opportunities where a more "drastic" (aka renegade) approach was possible and would not hurt.

Well, maybe it is just because Ryder is 22yrs old and even by todays standard it is virtualy just a teenager. Maybe Ryder becomes more of a hero later. Right now, Ryder is just a random default neighborhood guy and not a hero, and noone plays videogames to play a random typical guy, virtualy a nobody.
Technicaly, Ryder is the same person the whole game until the very end, and then out of a sudden becomes self-confident. It is unbelievable. maybe they gave us a nobody to show us, any nobody can rise up to become a hero. Lets just hope they make this journey believable.

Nail on the head DM the replay value lacks because of the lack of choice. I've lost track on my replays to this date of MET but MEA i have done only two. The second was a struggle because i was trying the other choices and kept having pretty much the same thing happen.

My third play will happen after the next lot of patching (not really looking foward to it). I really want to 100% the game before putting it aside. Romance achievement and a good insanity play.

But i really want to see renegade return. Your right Ryder is very young especially in mass effect years. It's possible that the next game could be set 10 to 15 years later. With the council up and running they could really push the first Andromeda Spectre angle and give us some full on choices again for replay value.

Also MET was interesting to do a Paragon play then renegade play then do a mix and match based on feeling. 😊

I don't see how people are still attatched tobthe paragon/renegade system. It was as a huge flaw with the OT and restricted various things. It'd be much better for bioware to do what they're doing now, but make it work in the process(cuz various games do what bioware is attempting but better)since there will be more options and less restrictions.m, a "renegade" option of sorts can still work out in this current format.

It's been noted various times that would be scrapped for Andromeda as well, I don't feel sorry for those hung up on it, especially when they're wanting bioware to add in a restricted system once again just cuz "I can't be a dick option" when there's better ways to do it.

Also would lose my mind if bioware rehashes spectres again, there's no reason to have one in Andromeda to begin with.

I've beat the game yes. I'd love to see what the foreign races think of allowing their new allies to have certain individuals above the law. That's the thing people forget. It worked in the MW, it has no reason to exist in Andromeda yet.

pathfinders can't be specters either. They're specifically trained for the pathfinder role, and being how you can kill off the first pathfinders and put new inexperienced ones in their place, I doubt that'd tie into specters very well. So I bet the foreign races would be even more thrilled to have inexperienced individuals above the law.

spectres aren't happening until an actual justice system is in place and the initiative is established as well as relations with the new Galaxy are set. The angara were already hostile just by the initiative entering the cluster, I'd imagine they wouldn't take kindly to someone like a spectre.

I don't see how paragon/renegade helps with replayability specifically. I definitely do not want a carboncopy Shepard in the next game. I'd rather they expand on this system and maybe get in ME equivalents of the knowledge perks convos from DAI.

While renegade-neutral-paragon is very restricted and have its flaws, we actualy had THREE outcomes. The NPCs didn't even answer in three different ways, but we also got three different outcomes.

Ok with this new system of emotinal, casual, logical, professional... we have more options (one more, yay)... but I see the point. Before we had good and bad, now, depending on the situation, an emotional answer can be good or bad or neutral. Ok the system is actualy better then to go simply bad-good. BUT.. while the reaction of an NPC do differ (to some degree, I think it is not enough, but it is "sufficient) based on your choice, the outcome is EXACTLY THE SAME.

There are different outcomes if you make "big" choices (like destroy the exaltation facility on voeld or not. And there are diferent outcomes during conversation and you ahve that "intersection" sign, though that is mostly limited to "accept mission or not", there are few occasions where it just changes how to react to a specific situations. But that is all expected.

We are talking here about regular conversations here.
Renegade: NPC anser A, outcome X
Paragon: NPC answer B, outcome Y
Neutral: NPC answer C, outcome Z
Replayability value of the situation: 3

MEA...
Emotional: NPC answer AAAA, outcome Z
Logical: NPC answer AAAa, outcome Z
Casual: NPC answer AAaA, outcome Z
Professional: NPC answesr AaAA, outcome Z
Replayability value for this situation: 0

BioWare missed the opportunity to use the potential of the new system. As of now, I would rather have the paragon-renegade approach back if it would give me 3 outcomes in one situation as in ME1-3.

You know i was surprised they didn't take that from DAI for MEA. Considering how interesting it was of the perks and that they have the perk system in MEA. Always enjoyed the ball mission with the perk in connections. It made my hero seem like he could speak on their level.

But overall it also gave some interesting insight in certain conversations. Along with more grey set choices and outcomes it would of really been good for MEA. Like DM04 said above the outcomes didn't vary in choices of MEA. But Mass Effect has always been about choice and outcome as a major part of it.

Why do people always associate renegade with being a dick? Have you played the trilogy? The vast majority of renegade options are Shepard putting his foot down, getting his point across firmly etc., pretty much the way many perfectly reasonable people behave on a daily basis. He has a few truly dickish moves, like punching Al Jilani, but they are few and far between.
I just don't see a spineless goody-two-shoes getting anywhere as a pathfinder. Ryder wouldn't last five minutes in my job, and I work in a majority female office.
But as has been said ad infinitum, it's not about being a dick, it's about a variety of outcomes. Professional, emotional, etc., who cares? Doesn't make a difference. No difference? No replay.

I let last night, rather than save her.

I'm not use how that is goody two shoes. I'm glad they've ditched the paragon/renegade thing, and if anything Ryder is a more realistic person than Shep. I guess people just love their power fantasy.

I don't really need to see a return of the "morality" system. I don't really care about tracking my choices like that (although red glowy eyes and scars are cool). However, I agree that varied choices with different outcomes would be welcome. I'd like to be able to be a dick to people or make decisions that are Renegade decisions.

Renegade options would have made Ryder look less like a puss cake.

Yep and I also shot that Kett bitch at the facility instead of letting her live. I also said "fuck you we don't work with the Kett" to the Primus. I chewed out Liam after his loyalty mission and I chewed out Gil and Kallo for failing to get along. Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.

I mean, I wasn't allowed to be a total jerk, true, but I felt like there were plenty of times where my character got heated and wasn't a sweet little flower.