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Post by capn233 on Apr 22, 2017 14:42:48 GMT
I maxed Rage and Charge first, then maxed Nova, 1 in Fortify and Apex. I am level 18 with spare points.
What I haven't decided is if I want to max Apex, or instead go Fortify up to 5 for the melee bonus with 3 in Apex. Apex probably won't make a huge difference until it is maxed as far as I can tell, but also I will need to get some more character cards for him to get enough points.
Any thoughts? I mean besides the fact that this guy is really a Whelp Vanguard, which is why he can be staggered by little girls.
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Post by misguidedworm7 on Apr 22, 2017 17:45:22 GMT
I would definitely go for the extra melee damage.
Though I went with only 3 in nova and max apex myself.
Maxing nova on the krogan vanguard isn't as particularly useful as it is on the human vanguard. And being as unkillable as possible is very effective when you can punch things to death faster than you can shoot them.
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Post by q5tyhj on Apr 22, 2017 18:13:48 GMT
^ this is what I did at first, 3 in Nova, 5 in Fortify, 6 in Charge and both passives. Full melee. But now that I actually have some decent guns and don't have to melee everything just to kill stuff in a reasonable time on Gold (and am getting a bit bored of melee in general), I'm thinking of re-speccing to a non-melee focused build, and just charging in for the rank 5 dmg bonus then sitting back and blasting everything with Piranha.
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Post by t41rdeye on Apr 22, 2017 19:08:58 GMT
Explosive purge Fortification is where it's at. Run in to group, pop your fortification + charge = tech combo and crowd control for days while you headbutt or shoot everything dead.
Nova sucks, it's only good for the I-frames. Leave it at 1
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Post by xaijin on Apr 22, 2017 19:23:13 GMT
or Skip apex completely and send things into orbit by doing the power combo in reverse.
Apex is nigh useless, and krogan melee is ass.
Get a piranha, max out everything but apex use nova to lollerskate through syncs and sends reds into orbit, use fort to stun shielded whatever use charge to setup either a double detonation after nova and fort or just max weapon damage on larges.
Most passives are amazing, Apex is not.
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Post by solaxe on Apr 22, 2017 19:34:31 GMT
Oh yeah just get Piranha, after hours and hours of grinding maybe I'll get lucky enough to get one at level 1 |
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 22, 2017 19:34:49 GMT
Explosive purge Fortification is where it's at. Run in to group, pop your fortification + charge = tech combo and crowd control for days while you headbutt or shoot everything dead. Nova sucks, it's only good for the I-frames. Leave it at 1 While nova isn't terrible (self-priming), everything else in this build is too good to pass up. I am fully on board with explosive purge now after considering the high damage (for a power) and stun ability. It can also replace nova as a CQC primer and does almost as much damage as base nova. I'm all about anything that takes care of spamdogs. Rage is great even on non-melee builds for full health regen and DR at the brink of death. Charge obvs duh like OFC is maxed. Apex passive at r6 gives a bonus to recharge speed which is helpful. This passive is the only thing I could trade points in for nova but then I'd be giving up better weapon damage, a stronger charge and faster cooldowns. Not gunna happen. |
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Post by gethadept on Apr 22, 2017 19:36:40 GMT
Investing skill points into Nova is mostly useless from my experience on Kroguard.
...and giving up that universal 20% power cool down on apex training is a FATAL MISTAKE.
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Post by xaijin on Apr 22, 2017 19:41:05 GMT
That 20% is virtually useless versus jetpack dodging, power dr and a good weapon. If it was 40% and krogan melee was worth a damn you would have a salient argument.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 22, 2017 19:44:07 GMT
That 20% is virtually useless versus jetpack dodging, power dr and a good weapon. If it was 40% and krogan melee was worth a damn you would have a salient argument. All I know is the more he can charge the better. |
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Post by xaijin on Apr 22, 2017 19:45:19 GMT
If this was 3mp yes you would be le man with le plan, except this AMP and a select range of guns are 'amazing' and krogans are not.
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Post by Tigger on Apr 22, 2017 19:52:29 GMT
I haven't really used him much but apparently this is what I thought was best.
Charge - 4b 5a 6b
Fortify - 4b 5b
Nova - only 3
Apex Training - 4b 5a 6b
Rage - 4a 5a 6a
It's just so shit compared to ME3's Kroguard.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 22, 2017 20:19:02 GMT
I haven't really used him much but apparently this is what I thought was best. Charge - 4b 5a 6b Fortify - 4b 5b Nova - only 3 Apex Training - 4b 5a 6b Rage - 4a 5a 6a It's just so shit compared to ME3's Kroguard. It`s beyond shitting him. It`s an insult that he has least health and barrier. Even if he is a whelp that never finished the passage of rite(which most likely would have killed him in the process). |
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Post by capn233 on Apr 22, 2017 21:38:49 GMT
Hmmm, so it looks like I need to max everything.
I took Nova to 6 because I thought I read it primed shielded and armored units despite what the description said.
As far as faster Charge goes, even with just 1 in Apex my Piranha I seems to still have max PRS. Usually I would also say more charge more better, but I was sort of balking at the investment cost for the whole tree.
I think right now with Rage and Charge and Fortify 1 he is tanky enough, as long as I am in Rage. Out of Rage he seems to be real fragile, which is sort of annoying. I know his melee isn't the greatest, but I was hoping the buff in power armor would make it easier to headbutt my way to victory given that from rank 10ish to now I have had to whittle enemy health down for basics to ~1/3 to guarantee the headbutt kills (with Jugernaut but cheaping out on Strength Enhancers).
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Post by xaijin on Apr 22, 2017 22:12:05 GMT
nnnope. krogan am suck. They're weapon platforms with shit weapon enhancements, one is kind of ok as a weapons platform because he has the human soldier passive because Bioware.
Melee is really off in this game and premiere melee species is the worst at it, also because bioware.
If you have a nice smg, your choice is pick the human vanguard and get twice as fast melee with a good dps fill in between powers from a solid smg and movement awesome to go with it.
With a krogan you're just going to be plodding around the map, looking at bridges and fences from face-jump level while your team guns everything down.
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Post by capn233 on Apr 22, 2017 22:38:46 GMT
^Well my one HV is already 20, and Krogan wasn't yet, that was part of why I was playing him.
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Post by xaijin on Apr 22, 2017 22:55:08 GMT
well enjoy the scenery and occasionally headbutting stuff i guess? (sigh)
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Post by ryuji2 on Apr 22, 2017 23:20:48 GMT
well enjoy the scenery and occasionally headbutting stuff i guess? (sigh) This, pretty much. Krogan in ME3MP were crazy good, literally every one of them. In MEAMP though...not so much. Ever since they did the stagger-melee thing, it's just not fun to go melee crazy on a kroguard. Better off doing it on the human vanguard cause his melee is quick enough to not worry about stagger half the time.  |
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Post by ramsen on Apr 23, 2017 1:52:50 GMT
or Skip apex completely and send things into orbit by doing the power combo in reverse. Apex is nigh useless, and krogan melee is ass. Get a piranha, max out everything but apex use nova to lollerskate through syncs and sends reds into orbit, use fort to stun shielded whatever use charge to setup either a double detonation after nova and fort or just max weapon damage on larges. Most passives are amazing, Apex is not. 28% weapon damage + 20% headshot though. I'm also loving the Merc, you may be unreasonably down on Krogans, although I see where you are coming from overall. |
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 23, 2017 2:39:57 GMT
I tried a Piranha on this kit and was honestly unimpressed. There are far better Piranha wielders in this game.
I then went with a simple melee build, one or no points in Passives, played that way all the way to level 20 and then shelved the kit completely. Might play it again when/if Bioware gives him 400% more shields.
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Post by capn233 on Apr 23, 2017 3:56:34 GMT
I would honestly rather they give him stagger resistance of some sort instead of more shields. Maybe that should have been a perk of Rage.
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Post by Darks1te on Apr 23, 2017 5:12:49 GMT
I would honestly rather they give him stagger resistance of some sort instead of more shields. Maybe that should have been a perk of Rage. Yeah, it will be very helpful. |
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Post by onehitparry on Apr 25, 2017 17:49:58 GMT
So I just started using my Krogan Vanguard. I like him a lot (except I forget I don't have saving barrier). I was wondering, though, does any know know what counts toward melee kills to activate rage? In ME3 charge used to count toward rage kills. So I was wondering if Charge and Nova counted.
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Post by aakko on Apr 25, 2017 17:56:16 GMT
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Post by fenrir4life on Apr 25, 2017 17:59:35 GMT
So I just started using my Krogan Vanguard. I like him a lot (except I forget I don't have saving barrier). I was wondering, though, does any know know what counts toward melee kills to activate rage? In ME3 charge used to count toward rage kills. So I was wondering if Charge and Nova counted. Only your face counts, despite Charge being a map-spanning haymaker. One of the many things that makes this kroguard feel so subpar. |
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