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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:20:31 GMT
Updated** The single best user-friendly kit available right now. Need no weapon or equipment. Just Turn of Fortify Equip automatic weapon + 24% debuff Flak cannon - damage - stun - shred Run -> Flak -> Shoot -> Headbutt -> Repeat He is clearly designed to be a CQC character...Using Flamethrower for larger area then finishing panicked/weakened enemies with either melee or handheld weapons.Flak Cannon... is just not very reliable compare to all other power cell skills. Anyway, his extremely slow speed and near 0 ability to deal with enemies in distance makes him really underwhelming kit in MEAMP where many kits are equipped with faster movement speed, teleport ability and long range powers.It`s not just matter of finding and killing enemies..he has worst mobility in the entire game, and it affects even keeping up with team for various objective missions and rescues. Furthermore, it`s not like Krogan Mercenary excels at crowd control or damage output to survive well alone.His counterparts to ME3MP would be Geth Soldier/Juggernaut & Vorchas... but they are way better than KM for many reasons.Ok... I only played him twice in bronze games and he is only level 3. 
...but I can totally tell now why almost nobody plays this character.
His slow speed is just not meant for this game(definition of excruciating!!), and his CQC ability is mediocre at best.
I can easily predict myself scrubbing the floor.. if I play him in Gold difficulty with most PuG...
I know this is open invitation for L2P & Git Gud, and I welcome them and would like to hear some advice and experience from other players.
If anyone ask me how they should play Krogan Mercenary..
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 26, 2017 14:30:24 GMT
It's there in my manifest - but I haven't bothered trying it. I fear the flamer will just disappoint me.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Apr 26, 2017 14:32:37 GMT
He has two crowd control abilities (Flamer and Flak Cannon with Rank 5 stun evolution) so: CC the enemies, then shoot them to death. Basically the same as every other 'caster' class in this game.
You can take an evolution of Fortify to remove the movement speed penalty. Or just jump-dash everywhere, that's unaffected by Fortify.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:35:29 GMT
It's there in my manifest - but I haven't bothered trying it. I fear the flamer will just disappoint me. From my experience of playing KVanguard... I don`t think Krogan Mercenary has what it takes to survive in gold difficulty properly. and if I cannot tank.. I rather play kit that is faster. Flamethrower has quite nice reach with 50% radius upgrade... but the damage seems to be somewhat underwhelming even in Bronze... |
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:36:29 GMT
He has two crowd control abilities (Flamer and Flak Cannon with Rank 5 stun evolution) so: CC the enemies, then shoot them to death. Basically the same as every other 'caster' class in this game. You can take an evolution of Fortify to remove the movement speed penalty. Or just jump-dash everywhere, that's unaffected by Fortify. I get you. ...but do you use him this way in Gold difficulty and thrive? Not being sarcastic... just wondering if other players find him worth playing over other characters. |
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Post by Bzilla024 on Apr 26, 2017 14:42:04 GMT
I tried a build that maxed out all of the skills except for 1 point in Rage. Needless to say I died a lot but that could be because I suck.
At least it was pretty with all the splosions from my Flamer but as we all know with the current balance of the game, combos merely just tickled mobs on gold.
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 26, 2017 14:43:13 GMT
Didn't had any problems with him on any map. Started playing him on gold when i was level 14. Hurricane and Piranha loadout.
Skipped Flack Cannon.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:44:59 GMT
Didn't had any problems with him on any map. Started playing him on gold when i was level 14. Hurricane and Piranha loadout. Skipped Flack Cannon. Can`t wait until I have Piranha. |
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Post by JRandall0308 on Apr 26, 2017 14:45:48 GMT
I get you. ...but do you use him this way in Gold difficulty and thrive? Thrive? Eh, you'd have to ask my fellow players if I am any good. I'd consider myself slightly above average. I did play him up to level 20 all in Gold so that's, what, 15 matches or something? I held my own I guess. I've been running the Dhan shotgun on him because it has decent range and hits decently hard. CC a bunch of dudes with Flamethrow, Dhan to the face, repeat. Flak Cannon for emergencies or annoying enemies (dogs and Kett Annointed!). |
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Post by Stinja on Apr 26, 2017 14:48:29 GMT
I levelled her to 20, with many games on Gold, and she makes an adequate weapons platform (Piranha and Vanquisher, because you don't really need cooldown). Barely. As for powers... the flamethrower makes me sad. Very sad. Just not enough damage from either weapons (very few buff passives), or powers (sad), and on top of it the CC is unreliable. Flames don't stun shielded enemies, and armoured stuff seems to ignore it too - so you get overwhelmed when flaming. But wait, you can use the mighty Flak Cannon to clean up! that was sarcasm if too subtle  except that's quite unreliable too, and is very inconsistent at stunning Berserkers. You can play her fine on Gold, so "viable", but just feels like a weak kit. Compared to Geth Trooper she's laughable at damage output; compared to Vorcha lacks mobility, the health regen / sustain to be aggressive, and self-combos. She's in a niche where other kits do her stuff better, and there's nothing really she's best at. |
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 26, 2017 14:48:48 GMT
It's there in my manifest - but I haven't bothered trying it. I fear the flamer will just disappoint me. From my experience of playing KVanguard... I don`t think Krogan Mercenary has what it takes to survive in gold difficulty properly. and if I cannot tank.. I rather play kit that is faster. Flamethrower has quite nice reach with 50% radius upgrade... but the damage seems to be somewhat underwhelming even in Bronze... From my limited playtime with Human Vanguard, I'd say the Human is tankier than the Krogan. There is melee evo that restores shield for human, but not Krogan and Krogan Vanguard has quite small base shield. I didn't care about the Fortify mobility evo since Vanguard has still charge to relocate, but I think the Turian has Fortify, too - only: It didn't appear to limit his movement that much like Krogan was affected. |
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:50:16 GMT
I get you. ...but do you use him this way in Gold difficulty and thrive? Thrive? Eh, you'd have to ask my fellow players if I am any good. I'd consider myself slightly above average. I did play him up to level 20 all in Gold so that's, what, 15 matches or something? I held my own I guess. I've been running the Dhan shotgun on him because it has decent range and hits decently hard. CC a bunch of dudes with Flamethrow, Dhan to the face, repeat. Flak Cannon for emergencies or annoying enemies (dogs and Kett Annointed!). I play PuG a lot... so when I play a character I must consider worst possible situation thrown at me in Gold PuG game. I know many people suggest to skip Flak Cannon on him... but as much as it`s PITA to use, I am wondering if Flak Cannon is key to use him right. ...but he lacks mobility... he won`t be able to pick up a lot of grenades fast enough even if I git gud with flak cannon...  |
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Post by fenrir4life on Apr 26, 2017 14:50:17 GMT
My approach:
Fortification for max defense(except for last evolution; take Explosive Purge for Annointed), flamer for panicking squishies, rapid-fire shotgun on approach for Melee Synergy and Sustained Fire, finish with forehead before defense debuff fades.
Does this thrive? No, but that's largely a byproduct of Rage's lackluster performance and the proclivity of people in MP to shoot the thing with 10% health that you're trying to headbutt. I also see him played a lot as a pure weapon platform, but he's inferior at that role due to his low shields and lack of Turbocharge.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:51:13 GMT
I levelled her to 20, with many games on Gold, and she makes an adequate weapons platform (Piranha and Vanquisher, because you don't really need cooldown). Barely. As for powers... the flamethrower makes me sad. Very sad. Just not enough damage from either weapons (very few buff passives), or powers (sad), and on top of it the CC is unreliable. Flames don't stun shielded enemies, and armoured stuff seems to ignore it too - so you get overwhelmed when flaming. But wait, you can use the mighty Flak Cannon to clean up! that was sarcasm if too subtle except that's quite unreliable too, and is very inconsistent at stunning Berserkers. You can play her fine on Gold, so "viable", but just feels like a weak kit. Compared to Geth Trooper she's laughable at damage output; compared to Vorcha lacks mobility, the health regen / sustain to be aggressive, and self-combos. She's in a niche where other kits do her stuff better, and there's nothing really she's best at. Damn... Flak Cannon sucks too...  |
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 26, 2017 14:51:22 GMT
I levelled her to 20, with many games on Gold, and she makes an adequate weapons platform. Barely. As for powers... the flamethrower makes me sad. Very sad. Just not enough damage from either weapons (very few buff passives), or powers (sad), and on top of it the CC is unreliable. Flames don't stun shielded enemies, and armoured stuff seems to ignore it too - so you get overwhelmed when flaming. But wait, you can use the mighty Flak Cannon to clean up! that was sarcasm if too subtle except that's quite unreliable too, and is very inconsistent at stunning Berserkers. Compared to Geth Trooper she's laughable at damage ouput; compared to Vorcha lacks mobility, the health regen / sustain to be aggressive, and self-combos. She's in a niche where other kits do her stuff better, and there's nothing really she's best at. He... Engineer is she.  |
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Post by JRandall0308 on Apr 26, 2017 14:52:03 GMT
You are way overselling the mobility problems. Yeah, Fortify makes him slower but there are ammo boxes everywhere and you can still jump-dash.
Also you can carry 4 Power Cells (for Flak Cannon) if you want, that's more than enough per wave.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:52:43 GMT
From my experience of playing KVanguard... I don`t think Krogan Mercenary has what it takes to survive in gold difficulty properly. and if I cannot tank.. I rather play kit that is faster. Flamethrower has quite nice reach with 50% radius upgrade... but the damage seems to be somewhat underwhelming even in Bronze... From my limited playtime with Human Vanguard, I'd say the Human is tankier than the Krogan. There is melee evo that restores shield for human, but not Krogan and Krogan Vanguard has quite small base shield. I didn't care about the Fortify mobility evo since Vanguard has still charge to relocate, but I think the Turian has Fortify, too - only: It didn't appear to limit his movement that much like Krogan was affected. I played only 6 characters to level 20... but I would say H.Vanguard is the single best character to play without consumable and good weapon. Charge -> Nova -> Shockwave can seriously take care of 90% of situation thrown in this game especially when combined with barrier drain & saving barrier. |
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 14:53:51 GMT
You are way overselling the mobility problems. Yeah, Fortify makes him slower but there are ammo boxes everywhere and you can still jump-dash. Also you can carry 4 Power Cells (for Flak Cannon) if you want, that's more than enough per wave. No.. his dash speed is significantly worse than most characters... that`s my issue. 4 powercell is never enough for me !!!!  |
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Post by xaijin on Apr 26, 2017 15:03:40 GMT
Krogan Firegod is a gun platform.
Krogan in this game suck and if you spec'd him for melee, well there's your problem.
Respec him for a gun platform, because that's all he's good for.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 15:06:48 GMT
Krogan Firegod is a gun platform. Krogan in this game suck and if you spec'd him for melee, well there's your problem. Respec him for a gun platform, because that's all he's good for. I get you. ...but honestly if I am gonna go with weapon I am gonna go with my Havoc X or Turian soldier. haha Piranha could be a game changer. ..but there is no telling when I will have it. I am getting a lot of garbage Kett UR weapons. Damn Kett trolls even in the store. |
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Post by xaijin on Apr 26, 2017 15:11:12 GMT
No you're absolutely right, there are many many better gun platform options, but he's worse as a melee option than he is as a dakka option.
Apparently the theory is flame something for the full duration and then dakka for excellent DoT, but the reality is krogan in this game are simply awful. By design.
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Post by No Snakes Alive on Apr 26, 2017 15:52:52 GMT
Flamer provides reliable stun/cc when spec'd and used right.
Flak Cannon provides reliable stun/cc when spec'd and used right.
Fortify provides reliable stun/cc when spec'd and used right.
Literally no need for any points in Rage when you can stun/cc all the things at all the times. Fun class that requires some finesse due to squishiness but nets really fucking high scores with ease.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 26, 2017 15:57:15 GMT
Flamer provides reliable stun/cc when spec'd and used right. Flak Cannon provides reliable stun/cc when spec'd and used right. Fortify provides reliable stun/cc when spec'd and used right. Literally no need for any points in Rage when you can stun/cc all the things at all the times. Fun class that requires some finesse due to squishiness but nets really fucking high scores with ease. ...but what do I do against Sharpshooter/Annoint and Observers.......  |
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 26, 2017 16:00:23 GMT
Just spec his nades to stagger lock everything, follow by headbutt, then proceed to game kicking you out to main menu. Rinse, repeat.
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Post by luckystarr on Apr 26, 2017 16:10:23 GMT
Krogan Firegod is a gun platform. Krogan in this game suck and if you spec'd him for melee, well there's your problem. Interesting. I'm of the exact opposite opinion, but I recognize your superior understanding of the game. I agree with the OP that the character is great at nothing and could even be called underwhelming. But at the same time, it's the first character I could play Gold with and not suck, and the first one I got to lvl 20. Full-on Flamer, 1 point Flak Cannon (what's it even for?..), near-max melee with some compromise towards DR. Weapon is irrelevant as long as it has a melee enhancer. Sometimes Flamer is my top damage dealer, sometimes it's melee. Obviously, Kroguard is best suited for a full-on melee build, and with that in mind you could go for max DR + weapon build for Mercenary, but... You still need to be at close range to use Flamer, so might as well use melee because it does seem to be more effective than any gun I have. |
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