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Post by Tigger on Apr 28, 2017 7:35:34 GMT
Warning: Lots of words. Never in my life have I seen such rampant whining about a game. Has social media truly become a vehicle for anyone to jump on the negativity bandwagon and spew their perceived dislike of not only games, but anything and everything? Initial reviews of the game were not great, but they weren't terrible either. Apparently, that's enough for a select few to gain a foothold and infect the masses with someone else's cynical point of view. Just because you have a right to raise your voice doesn't mean you should. If you have a moment, I would love to take you back about 17 years or so, to the multiplayer games that started it all: Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament. I would imagine many of you were still in diapers during the time I was instagibbed constantly in Q3A and ran roughshod on folks in UT. I couldn't aim for shit in Q3. The moment I spawned I died. No one complained. In UT, if someone ran by you and you only saw them for a split second, you died. No one complained. You were too slow; you weren't good enough to play with the big boys. You simply got up again and went back after it. It wasn't uncommon to die 30+ times a match. I was one of those people who 'got gud' & 'l2p.' I ended up top 5 in UT (I liked it better than Q3A). But I digress. Problems with games--CTD, BSOD, bugs, etc., have been around forever. Back in the day, we buckled down and figured it out or dealt with it. The most common thread title on a forum was was "How do I fix it/deal with it," not "This company sucks." Does MEAMP have some issues? Sure. Does that stop everyone? Nope. How many of the top 100 players are on here bitching about it? None. They're they're working around it and will adapt to future changes. The average player is just bitching because the bed isn't as comfortable as they'd like it. They can't deal with adversity. The top players are making due. I'm making due (I'm not top 100 or even 1000). I know there are issues. I'm pretty sure it's been stated that changes are coming. And I'm 100% certain people will still complain. The bottom line is play the game for what it is or shut up and leave. It's my opinion that when I browse this subforum, I want to see builds, gameplay video (informative and funny), and just general useful information about the game--not a bunch of whining from a small group of crybabies. This is not a daycare forum. It shouldn't have to hand out sippy cups with spongebob squarebritches logos and warm milk. If this is acceptable, then the forum admins need to create you guys a subforum you can call home. There's a fine line between whining and making others aware of issues. The more you whine, the more you separate the player base from the devs. They're people too, and I'm sure they'd love to talk to us reasonably about the issues with the game. The bottom line is, calm down stop posting garbage and be productive with your posts. If you're 18 or older, you're an adult. Act like it.
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Post by wizeman305 on Apr 28, 2017 7:38:43 GMT
OP I admire your noble, alas somewhat naive, intentions, but this is the f@cking unoficial forums. People came here to express their f@cking feelings towards the game, negative or positive. Alas, lately it is mostly negative but it is not the players fault. FTFY
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 28, 2017 7:47:34 GMT
OP: Yes there's a lot of whining, and lots of it for all the right reasons. People just overexaggerate stuff, because people are just people.
However I don't feel the whining is worse than it was with Mass Effect 3 when it was released. Even though the single player experience was the main cause for concern, with the endings and all, I believe it was a lot worse back then.
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Post by lynroy on Apr 28, 2017 7:54:03 GMT
This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. You clearly stated reasons why you feel the game is sub-par without dipping into the gutter to do it. I don't disagree with you. There are issues. Everyone knows this. DAIMP improved, but was still not 'finished,' yet the community there is understanding and dealt with it. We actually laughed about it while we played. But all this hate for MEAMP...wow...just wow. Like most games these days, this game will never be perfect...you just have to accept it for what it is. Fortunately, there's still time for adjustments. DAIMP had Luke ... and the community being understanding?! I was there and I remember the key bug and Amelia and Penguin but sure we laughed madly when we had to constantly press the jump button the WHOLE MATCH in order to be able to move at all ... it is called Galgenhumor (gallows humor) I remember that well. Those forums were on fire for a little while. Also, I miss St Bluke. Wish we could have someone like him for MEAMP....
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 28, 2017 8:16:50 GMT
Just out of curiosity, OP, why did you start your post with a totally not pulled out of your ass story about becoming "top 5 in UT" (lul)? Trying to build some kind of authority and trying to look like a wise sage just because you're allegedly older and started wasting your life on online video games earlier than younger people around here? Please, tell me more tales of how they don't make maps like Facing Worlds anymore, or engage me in the eternal debate over which de_dust was better.
Also, if you call the minor negative buzz here the worst you've ever seen then you aren't as "old" as you claim to be. Can you call the other four guys from UT top 5? Maybe they'll do better.
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Post by ddrguy300 on Apr 28, 2017 8:19:43 GMT
Here's the thing:
They missed the mark on an obscene number of things, the disconnects being only one of them. What is your threshold of acceptable shit? A few issues? A handful of issues? A bucket of issues?
Regardless of how you answer personally, the totality of the community has deemed as a whole that the total number of defects are freakishly stupid and unacceptable. The outrage comes from this laundry list of issues that they flat out missed.
And in regards to productive posting, part of that is lacking also due to Bioware, not just (if any) from the community: The fact that the devs missed so much crap that would have been obvious to 90% of the community brings into question not only their ability to make the game in the first place, but their presumed (though not so much anymore) proficiency in supporting it further. The beta being cancelled is perhaps the most glaring concrete example of this unacceptable disconnect of the product/developer relationship that makes fans fear for the future/life of the game.
So when players are giving their feedback, there is a lot of subtext of "What they fuck did you guys do and how are you going to/can you even/will you bother fixing it?" and being worried/afraid that it won't get fixed.
It's not whining. Though you must be blessed to see it through your own personal lens as such. Try looking at it from the perspective of those who you think are just bitching and moaning. What's beneath it? Not everyone just complains for the sake of complaining. And if they are, it isn't unlikely that even those people are just having a hard time articulating exactly what has them so pissed off. Some of those reasons maybe even being as simple as time.
People don't get mad in a vacuum. Something pissed them off.
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Post by exterminatus on Apr 28, 2017 8:20:58 GMT
Just out of curiosity, OP, why did you start your post with a totally not pulled out of your ass story about becoming "top 5 in UT" (lul)? Trying to build some kind of authority and trying to look like a wise sage just because you're allegedly older and started wasting your life on online video games earlier than younger people around here? Please, tell me more tales of how they don't make maps like Facing Worlds anymore, or engage me in the eternal debate over which de_dust was better. Also, if you call the minor negative buzz here the worst you've ever seen then you aren't as "old" as you claim to be. Can you call the other four guys from UT top 5? Maybe they'll do better. Also I like how he compares obvious L2P problem in Quake with technical and balancing issues ME:A has. This is why biological age doesn't equial mental development, folks.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 28, 2017 8:25:05 GMT
I think Happy Wars is a stupid game.
Do I hang out on Happy Wars forums every day complaining about how stupid it is? No.
Know why? Because I don't give a shit.
The reason people here are complaining about issues with MEA is because they care about Mass Effect, and want it to be a good game.
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Post by niroz on Apr 28, 2017 8:42:04 GMT
First of all, there's PLENTY of helpful information on this BSN. Have you taken the time to check the THE (NEW AND IMPROVED) MEAMP RESOURCE LIBRARY that's stickied at the top of the forum? Next... This isn't 17 years ago. The technology used to build this game isn't bleeding edge. This product isn't labeled an alpha or beta. This isn't a mother fucking state of the art computer operating system. What the fuck does skill have to do with the technical issues and bugs parading around in this game? Your UT and Quake scenarios are horrible examples of what players are experiencing within ME:A's MP. Some players can't go 2 matches without a CTD, network connection error, sound bug, having the match ruined by desyncing enemies. chain host migrations, or any of the other rampant TECHNICAL bullshit that crops up on a consistent basis. Improving your aim and reflex speed isn't going to fucking solve this shit.
The complaints on here and other ME:A media outlets are for the most part completely warranted. Some are the typical pessimistic exaggeration, but the majority are completely legitimate. There really are a multitude of bugs, stability issues, weapon design and performance flaws, power flaws, character and kit flaws, graphical asset flaws, voice over quality issues, etc. etc. et-fucking-cetera. You're right, the top 100 players (whatever the fuck that's even worth in a noncompetitive by design co-op game) are "making due", but that doesn't mean they don't have major issues with this game like anyone else. It also doesn't mean they arn't on this BSN, the sub reddit, or other ME:A media voicing their complaints. I mean shit, I'm ranked 151 as of now and was between 75-100 at some point a week or so ago, but I'm still on here and subreddit voicing my complaints/issues with the game and venting my frustrations. Why? Because I feel cheated. Because I feel betrayed as a customer/fan - but most importantly, because I want this god damn poor excuse of a Mass Effect title, that I paid for to be an enjoyable Mass Effect filled experience. You see all the whiny bullshit because the MP is currently in a poor state - especially for nonbronze difficulties. In gold, the game's content is painfully limited/stale due to the small pool of viable weapons and disappointingly weak power performance. To make matters worse, the game is infested with stability and bugs on all 3 platforms. A common scenario is spending 15-20 minutes in a borderline playable match due to P2P latency performance (seriously, why the FUCK are we on this shit in 2017) and then being gifted with a CTD or Network Connection Error. You get no credits and no experience - and the only thing you're left with is the negative memory of how insanely frustrating the last 15-20 minutes were while rubber banding around the map - being killed by enemy corpses sliding around. Oh, and those boosters you used? Gone. Cobras, Revivals, and First aid kits used? Gone. Oh, those were the last you had, and you were counting on the credits from this match to buy more? Too fucking bad. Better "gitgud" and pull out that credit card - cuz you can always count on the AP Store. How the fuck are casuals suppose to reasonably grind out viable weapons and character progression with bullshit like this happening consistently? I mean, I guess they can use the AP store to spend even more money on this woefully incomplete product... I'm sure the people on here would love, WOULD LOVE to sit down and have a discussion with the devs in a constructive manner - but they do not give anyone the opportunity to. You can post a question on their personal twitter, and you'll be lucky to be answered with "We're looking into it". You can try catching them during their Thursday morning/afternoon live streams (when the majority of people are at fucking work) where they explicitly state that they will not be discussing fixes/balance - and again, maybe you'll get lucky and receive a "We're looking into it". Players can post bugs and issues they've encountered on AnswersHQ, but they're likely not to get answers to fixing the constant CTD/Network Connection Error issues. Have you actually sat through a twitch session? Any legitimate question that gets asked of any relevance to what the fuck is going on with the state of multiplayer, and the devs on stream just This product is currently an utter disappointment for a large portion of fans. The game SHOULD NOT had been released in the state it is in. It's obvious why the beta was canceled, and it certainly wasn't for the customer's benefit. Bioware rushed an incomplete, mismanaged product out and their customers got fucked. Even if they fix the technical issues, we still have a woe amount of design issues sucking the fun out of the game. The very existence of many of these design issues really makes you wonder if the studio is even capable of unfucking Andromeda. I mean who decided to...actually, fuck that - you like lots of words OP? Well, here you go buddy - copy-pasted from a post I made on reddit in response to someone asking if ME3 multiplayer's success was just a fluke: Yes they could of. Even if they JUST made a Frostbite version of ME3 multiplayer and changed the name of the characters, players would be way happier with that than what we have now.
ME3 MP had it's flaws, and you labeled them. Why couldn't they label them and avoid the same pitfalls? They had 5 years, and it seems they stripped away most of the magic of ME3 MP and left many of the flaws of ME3 MP's release. Sure, there's a few updates, and the added dimension of jetpack - but seriously...five years?
C'mon man, imagine if you were managing this sh_t (we'll make it simple, since game dev doesn't just have one magic manager w/ games of this scale) , and you had a meeting after putting in some game hours. The summary of my meeting would be something like this:
-Why the FUCK are we still on P2P? Like, holy shit that is so bad. It was awful in 2012, and here we are...f-i-v-e years later...
-We have weapons that make absolutely no sense. NONE. Even on a spreadsheet, they make no sense. Play testing, they make no sense. It's like you threw all the weapon assets into a RNG stat machine, printed out the results, shredded them, had a blind person put the shredded pieces back together, and just went with the reformed results.
-Heavy melee - WHY IS THIS GONE? "Because ME:A's combat is too fast pace." What the fuck? You're all fired. Get the fuck out.
-Whoever was in charge of designing ME:A Krogan personalities and scripts, step over here. You're all fired
-Whoever designed the asses on the Asari and human females, step over here. Good job
-Who oversaw the powers design and balance? You and you? K, those guys over there carrying the straitjackets are here for you.
-These voice lines...jeeeezzus. "YAAYY", "COVER YOUR BRAIN!", "Like the pros we are...", They're shooting at us", "I wonder if any flowers survived here", WHAT?!? Bob and Jen, I know you outsourced this shit to the volunteer drama club at the Jr. High down the street. Pack your shit, you're done.
-Why the hell do all the Asari have the same face? "The Duelist actually has a different fa..." STFU TED, YOU'RE FIRED TOO! -Where's the QA/Playtest team? DId...DID YOU JUST POINT TO MICHELLE'S HAMSTERS? Okay...guess that makes sense...
Look, I hope, I really fucking hope they rectify this shit storm...I really do. That next patch better be a mother fucking miniDLC package full of paragraphs of bug fix notes though, because that's how fucked up the state of the game is currently. They also can't say they weren't aware, because every ME:A MP media outlet is overflowing with legitimate complaints and "colorful" criticism that points out the many fuck ups in the game.
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 28, 2017 8:44:06 GMT
Hello, you must be new to the bioware community.
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Post by triaxos on Apr 28, 2017 8:51:29 GMT
And most people will whine again when MEA 2 gets released. About how Bioware killed the franchise, about how bioware isn't bioware anymore, about how well balanced MEA was and what a piece of crap MEA 2 is, how ridiculously easy gold-difficulty has become, how uninspired the new enemy-factions are and how they miss the salarian architect. Luckily enough they'll still buy it so Bioware will have reason enough to do MEA 3.
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Post by Dekibra on Apr 28, 2017 9:15:29 GMT
And most people will whine again when MEA 2 gets released. About how Bioware killed the franchise, about how bioware isn't bioware anymore, about how well balanced MEA was and what a piece of crap MEA 2 is, how ridiculously easy gold-difficulty has become, how uninspired the new enemy-factions are and how they miss the salarian architect. Luckily enough they'll still preorder it so EA will have reason enough to do MEA 3. ftfy
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Post by triaxos on Apr 28, 2017 9:28:40 GMT
And most people will whine again when MEA 2 gets released. About how Bioware killed the franchise, about how bioware isn't bioware anymore, about how well balanced MEA was and what a piece of crap MEA 2 is, how ridiculously easy gold-difficulty has become, how uninspired the new enemy-factions are and how they miss the salarian architect. Luckily enough they'll still preorder the super mega deluxe version of the game so EA will have reason enough to do MEA 3. ftfy If you do something, do it right!
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Post by Dekibra on Apr 28, 2017 9:46:16 GMT
If you do something, do it right!
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Post by kpeter on Apr 28, 2017 10:04:23 GMT
Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you. I'm getting a lot of bullshit on this line.
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Post by s0ulbearer on Apr 28, 2017 10:06:38 GMT
The whining over on the Destiny forums was worse than this, substantially so.
This is pretty tame in comparison to that cesspool.
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Post by pantherdane on Apr 28, 2017 10:29:13 GMT
OP I admire your noble, alas somewhat naive, intentions, but this is the fucking unoficial forums. People came here to express their fucking feelings towards the game, negative or positive. Alas, lately it is mostly negative but it is not the players fault. Maybe other people came for the feels but I always come to get tips and ideas. There are all kinds of good ideas and tips here mixed in with all the drama.
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Post by Dekibra on Apr 28, 2017 10:34:19 GMT
Maybe other people came for the feels but I always come to get tips and ideas. I come here for:
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Post by stopdroproll on Apr 28, 2017 10:36:59 GMT
No, just no. I've payed good money and expect at least somewhat bug-free product in return
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Post by only1biggs on Apr 28, 2017 10:54:57 GMT
No, just no. I've payed good money and expect at least somewhat bug-free product in return Did you pre-order and pay money for something that wasn't in your hands yet, or tested or reviewed? Because if so, then you're to blame. Otherwise, you're correct.
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Post by RGHamburger on Apr 28, 2017 10:55:29 GMT
I've yet to hear a reason why I should care about the OPs whining. Go start a livejournal or set up a myspace account for your personal soapbox. My old farts from years ago have the decency not to bother anyone so why don't you?
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Post by DragonRacer on Apr 28, 2017 11:30:21 GMT
A few general things - # 1 - Reminder that personal attacks on posters is against forum rules. Please refrain from the personal "fuck you"s, "shut up, bitch"s, and "you're a cunt"s of the world. # 2 - OP, some areas of your OP tread close since you're calling out anyone who has rage-complained about the game, so I expect you to follow the rules as well. # 3 - Actually, not sure if it was real or leg-pulling since I cannot see the PC leaderboards, but it sounded like wavebend is (or was recently) at the top and he's been very vocal about the negatives of MEAMP in its current format. So, no, everyone at the top isn't just dealing with it and being quiet. # 4 - This is a forum. People express opinions. You may not agree with them (this goes both to OP and to everyone responding to OP, by the way). That does not mean people are not allowed to express them. That goes for both sides, again. This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. You clearly stated reasons why you feel the game is sub-par without dipping into the gutter to do it. I don't disagree with you. There are issues. Everyone knows this. DAIMP improved, but was still not 'finished,' yet the community there is understanding and dealt with it. We actually laughed about it while we played. But all this hate for MEAMP...wow...just wow. Like most games these days, this game will never be perfect...you just have to accept it for what it is. Fortunately, there's still time for adjustments. Bolded - maybe that's how it is currently, since I haven't gone much into the DAIMP forums here since the move. But you remember an ENTIRELY different DAIMP forum than I did, especially after release. The DAIMP forum was absolute flames for most of the game's active support cycle. Both shitposts and legitimate, well-thought out posts. And particularly after the Destruction DLC that introduced the key glitch and then BioWare went on holiday for about 6 weeks after... yeah, you and I remember entirely different forums, apparently.
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Post by Kukki_Kaiju on Apr 28, 2017 11:33:26 GMT
Warning: Lots of words. Never in my life have I seen such rampant whining about a game. Has social media truly become a vehicle for anyone to jump on the negativity bandwagon and spew their perceived dislike of not only games, but anything and everything? Initial reviews of the game were not great, but they weren't terrible either. Apparently, that's enough for a select few to gain a foothold and infect the masses with someone else's cynical point of view. Just because you have a right to raise your voice doesn't mean you should. If you have a moment, I would love to take you back about 17 years or so, to the multiplayer games that started it all: Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament. I would imagine many of you were still in diapers during the time I was instagibbed constantly in Q3A and ran roughshod on folks in UT. I couldn't aim for shit in Q3. The moment I spawned I died. No one complained. In UT, if someone ran by you and you only saw them for a split second, you died. No one complained. You were too slow; you weren't good enough to play with the big boys. You simply got up again and went back after it. It wasn't uncommon to die 30+ times a match. I was one of those people who 'got gud' & 'l2p.' I ended up top 5 in UT (I liked it better than Q3A). But I digress. Problems with games--CTD, BSOD, bugs, etc., have been around forever. Back in the day, we buckled down and figured it out or dealt with it. The most common thread title on a forum was was "How do I fix it/deal with it," not "This company sucks." Does MEAMP have some issues? Sure. Does that stop everyone? Nope. How many of the top 100 players are on here bitching about it? None. They're they're working around it and will adapt to future changes. The average player is just bitching because the bed isn't as comfortable as they'd like it. They can't deal with adversity. The top players are making due. I'm making due (I'm not top 100 or even 1000). I know there are issues. I'm pretty sure it's been stated that changes are coming. And I'm 100% certain people will still complain. The bottom line is play the game for what it is or shut up and leave. It's my opinion that when I browse this subforum, I want to see builds, gameplay video (informative and funny), and just general useful information about the game--not a bunch of whining from a small group of crybabies. This is not a daycare forum. It shouldn't have to hand out sippy cups with spongebob squarebritches logos and warm milk. If this is acceptable, then the forum admins need to create you guys a subforum you can call home. There's a fine line between whining and making others aware of issues. The more you whine, the more you separate the player base from the devs. They're people too, and I'm sure they'd love to talk to us reasonably about the issues with the game. The bottom line is, calm down stop posting garbage and be productive with your posts. If you're 18 or older, you're an adult. Act like it. [X]
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Post by Bzilla024 on Apr 28, 2017 11:46:05 GMT
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
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