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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 30, 2017 0:56:32 GMT
I decided to take a break from bitching about the game and doing real work to screw around in excel and make a turbocharge damage calculator for no reason. Now I will massage the numbers to support my favorite turbocharge weapon, my top gun if you will. Many people like the raptor. I like the Indra. Please hold your laughter until the end of the presentation. *Notes: These numbers are based on a specific TC-MT spec. Admittedly, you'd have to be just as accurate with both the raptor and Indra for these values to hold true, so if you're not willing to learn to become an Indra-tamer, skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip. Also, I'm not certain reload speeds are correct. My assumed damage derives from theoretical factors (e.g.100% body shots and perfect timing for sustained DPS) so it's all academic; but it's something. If I have a fatal error (or many) in my spreadsheet…..whoops. *Another note: If you want to use the calculator I made (either as it is or after fixing my conceptual math errors), I will post a link to the google doc so you can download it. Here it is: Across the board, the raptor has a small, but meaningful, advantage over the Indra in single-clip DPS and sustained DPS. This is true irrespective of MT and TC specs with one exception. There is no meaningful difference between sustained DPS with supercharged sustained fire. This leaves them theoretically balanced in this build. Furthermore, the Indra dwarves it in single-clip damage. This is why I prefer the Indra. TTK sucks no matter what. Reloading is long and easy to interrupt. Consequently, I emphasize intra-clip performance over raw DPS. If any of this sounds good to you, the Indra may just be your gal. Some numbers from my JV calculator: TC (duration-damage-supercharge) + MT (sustained fire): - raptor single-clip DPS = 2913 - Indra single-clip DPS = 2703 - raptor sustained DPS = 494 - Indra sustained DPS = 497 - raptor single-clip damage = 5675 - Indra single-clip damage = 9500 |
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Post by Bzilla024 on Apr 30, 2017 1:00:35 GMT
But the Raptor is named after a dinosaur.
I just can't get into the Indra even though I really liked it in ME3.
Numbers make my face hurt anyways. :rage:
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Post by angrybobh on Apr 30, 2017 1:03:52 GMT
I have no indra so I don't know how bad/good it is. I liked it ok in ME3 but I could rock a whatever there. Pretty sad though that the indra is more or less a really expensive raptor.
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Post by lennybusker on Apr 30, 2017 1:09:45 GMT
I can't stand trying to keep it on target with all of the fucking fireworks going off.
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Post by Heroicmass on Apr 30, 2017 1:17:22 GMT
Raptor doesn't have a hipfire penalty, therefore it is superior
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Post by sheepsgoboom on Apr 30, 2017 1:17:38 GMT
The lack of hf penalty on the Raptor makes me choose it over the Indra.
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 30, 2017 1:19:21 GMT
The ME3 Indra turned into the raptor. The new Indra handles like the old Indra if you consume too much caffeine. Still, it can be adjusted to. Power armor helps.
EDIT: Yes the hipfire thing is a gamechanger but I got used to ADS with snipers 100% of the time in ME3. The habit carried over.
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Post by ramsen on Apr 30, 2017 1:22:45 GMT
Raptor doesn't have a hipfire penalty, therefore it is superior Say what  Did you compare any other weapons for this or just the Raptor and Indra? |
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Post by Archaengel_X on Apr 30, 2017 1:46:59 GMT
Interestingly, the Incisor also seems to be very good on the Turian Soldier.
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Post by Heroicmass on Apr 30, 2017 1:47:43 GMT
Raptor doesn't have a hipfire penalty, therefore it is superior Say what Did you compare any other weapons for this or just the Raptor and Indra? Check out the testing thread from Peddro. They found raptor doesn't have a penalty and infra does. |
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Post by xaijin on Apr 30, 2017 2:08:47 GMT
Interestingly, the Incisor also seems to be very good on the Turian Soldier. |
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Post by riviet on Apr 30, 2017 2:41:50 GMT
I decided to take a break from bitching about the game and doing real work to screw around in excel and make a turbocharge damage calculator for no reason. Now I will massage the numbers to support my favorite turbocharge weapon, my top gun if you will. Many people like the raptor. I like the Indra. Please hold your laughter until the end of the presentation.
*Notes: These numbers are based on a specific TC-MT spec. Admittedly, you'd have to be just as accurate with both the raptor and Indra for these values to hold true, so if you're not willing to learn to become an Indra-tamer, skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip. Also, I'm not certain reload speeds are correct. My assumed damage derives from theoretical factors (e.g.100% body shots and perfect timing for sustained DPS) so it's all academic; but it's something. If I have a fatal error (or many) in my spreadsheet…..whoops.
*Another note: If you want to use the calculator I made (either as it is or after fixing my conceptual math errors), I will post a link to the google doc so you can download it. Here it is:
Across the board, the raptor has a small, but meaningful, advantage over the Indra in single-clip DPS and sustained DPS. This is true irrespective of MT and TC specs with one exception. There is no meaningful difference between sustained DPS with supercharged sustained fire. This leaves them theoretically balanced in this build. Furthermore, the Indra dwarves it in single-clip damage.
This is why I prefer the Indra. TTK sucks no matter what. Reloading is long and easy to interrupt. Consequently, I emphasize intra-clip performance over raw DPS. If any of this sounds good to you, the Indra may just be your gal. Some numbers from my JV calculator:
TC (duration-damage-supercharge) + MT (sustained fire):
- raptor single-clip DPS = 2913
- Indra single-clip DPS = 2703
- raptor sustained DPS = 494
- Indra sustained DPS = 497
- raptor single-clip damage = 5675
- Indra single-clip damage = 9500 Your findings, particularly about the single-clip damage make sense since the Indra has much better magazine size (25 base) compared to the Raptor (15 base) while many of the other two guns' statistics (like reload speed, damage per bullet and rate of fire) are either similar or identical. So basically Indra is a winner in sustained DPS simply because you reload a lot less often and spend more time actually firing the weapon, which is obviously a good thing in favour of the Indra. You have definitely persuaded me to give the Indra another try after struggling to get used to the recoil pattern of the gun a long while ago (it's kinda weird and awkward having to aim for the enemy's crotch area when initially firing the gun  ). |
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 30, 2017 3:00:00 GMT
Indra is actually really good providing you are hitting shots. Problem is that its accuracy is horrible, so the Raptor is superior I feel.
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Post by N7Mith on Apr 30, 2017 3:10:48 GMT
There are evos to boost accuracy. It's never quite the same but perhaps enough to switch every now and then. Now if I didn't find TC so boring...  |
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 3:21:50 GMT
The ME3 Indra turned into the raptor. The new Indra handles like the old Indra if you consume too much caffeine. Still, it can be adjusted to. Power armor helps. EDIT: Yes the hipfire thing is a gamechanger but I got used to ADS with snipers 100% of the time in ME3. The habit carried over. Or you could buy a CronusMaxPlus like me and via it's firmware interface program it to counter all the Indra's mule kicks automatically. I mean seriously, a SR with that much kick? Clearly guys are BioWare don't test these weapons. So I have to take matters into my own hands. |
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Post by capn233 on Apr 30, 2017 5:25:52 GMT
Why is the Indra recoil so whonky? Why is recoil in this game whonky in general?
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Post by Abramsrunner on Apr 30, 2017 5:31:00 GMT
Why is the Indra recoil so whonky? Why is recoil in this game whonky in general?  |
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 13:58:08 GMT
Why is the Indra recoil so whonky? Why is recoil in this game whonky in general? The crazy recoil on the Indra is one of the dumbest weapon changes I've seen. SR are supposed to be accurate long range weapons and BioWare actually believes it's possible to control that crazy recoil that gets crazy magnified further when trying to aim for a lone tinny ass target way in the distance? And it's not like they intended for it to work close range with the shrapnel graphical effects completely blocking your scoped view. Idiocracy moves like this make me lose all faith in this team to fix anything. |
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Post by lennybusker on Apr 30, 2017 14:05:43 GMT
Why is the Indra recoil so whonky? Why is recoil in this game whonky in general? The crazy recoil on the Indra is one of the dumbest weapon changes I've seen. SR are supposed to be accurate long range weapons and BioWare actually believes it's possible to control that crazy recoil that gets crazy magnified further when trying to aim for a lone tinny ass target way in the distance? And it's not like they intended for it to work close range with the shrapnel graphical effects completely blocking your scoped view. Idiocracy moves like this make me lose all faith in this team to fix anything. Take the scope off and it'd make a pretty good AR. I think this is another weapon where they just input damage and accuracy numbers on paper and never bothered to test it. Like, pretty much every weapon. |
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Apr 30, 2017 16:17:09 GMT
Idra also only has a like 1.2 headshot multiplier compared to the Raptors 2.1. Idra has the same sh**y headshot multiplier the Shadow has making it the inferior weapon. Once you factor it crit spots Raptor far surpassed the Idra.
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Post by kalil on Apr 30, 2017 16:22:48 GMT
Your calculator is wrong  Even on a floatng havoc with active turbocharge the indra is adhi-crud. Raptor is much better. |
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Post by lennybusker on Apr 30, 2017 16:23:16 GMT
Idra also only has a like 1.2 headshot multiplier compared to the Raptors 2.1. Idra has the same sh**y headshot multiplier the Shadow has making it the inferior weapon. Once you factor it crit spots Raptor far surpassed the Idra. Raptor's isn't 2.1. Check the Numerical Damage tests thread. |
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Apr 30, 2017 16:27:15 GMT
Idra also only has a like 1.2 headshot multiplier compared to the Raptors 2.1. Idra has the same sh**y headshot multiplier the Shadow has making it the inferior weapon. Once you factor it crit spots Raptor far surpassed the Idra. Raptor's isn't 2.1. Check the Numerical Damage tests thread. Going to go back and look, I glanced over it and saw the Shadow and Idra had the same crit multiplier which is pretty low. Hell my bad, so all 3 have a 1.4(looked at that post like a week ago), that makes it some what better I guess. I've tried the Idra hated it, kicks hard as hell on the first shot and after 3 shots your rounds go everywhere but what your aiming at. |
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 30, 2017 16:29:43 GMT
Your calculator is wrong Even on a floatng havoc with active turbocharge the indra is adhi-crud. Raptor is much better. Likely true. I was just grasping for a data-supported reason that I, personally, perform better with the Indra than the raptor. I thought the sheet might give me some insight. |
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Post by kalil on Apr 30, 2017 17:22:46 GMT
Your calculator is wrong Even on a floatng havoc with active turbocharge the indra is adhi-crud. Raptor is much better. Likely true. I was just grasping for a data-supported reason that I, personally, perform better with the Indra than the raptor. I thought the sheet might give me some insight. Does the calculator take accuracy and stability into account? |
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