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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 16:35:06 GMT
Yes, bioware should be held to a higher standard. This game has been development for five years and they're still trying to fix it how does that work? Higher standards = insults? Surely not. Yes, higher standards=insults because that is the only way to get their asses in line and moving. If someone doesn't want to do something that is important, then you find a way to force them to do it. Insults are our way. If they would have done a beta test for MP beforehand, they wouldn't be in this mess. The time for being polite is long gone.
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 4, 2017 16:44:33 GMT
It doesn't matter what they do, it doesn't matter what they say. It can't and won't be enough. They plunged themselves into a shithole they will never be able to leave without having turds sticking all over them. And they know it all too well. The only possible saving grace they can achieve is fixing the venom That's the only positive from this shitstorm.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on May 4, 2017 16:46:58 GMT
Yes, bioware should be held to a higher standard. This game has been development for five years and they're still trying to fix it how does that work? Higher standards = insults? Surely not. People want to vent, and quite frankly I don't really begrudge them wanting to complain, even in non-constructive ways. And it's better that it is here, rather than throwing insults at them on Twitter. The threads here are essentially opt in for any dev who wants to visit, and they get pointed at threads people think they particularly need to see now and again, so the community tries to act as a filter for our own garbage. The problem is the disconnect between being frustrated with a multi-billion dollar company who is producing a billion dollar franchise, and the fact that there are just humans doing their jobs at the bottom of the ladder. Really, a lot of the complaints and anger here are better directed at the company and the policies, management and hiring that led Andromeda to be in the state that it's in. But that's an amorphous anger which makes one feel even more powerless to rage against.
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 4, 2017 16:47:02 GMT
How does the "discussion" happens on stream? Hundreds of people in chat VS 2 developers? There were only about 15 people in the chat last week. Wow!?? That many?
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Post by iago on May 4, 2017 16:49:33 GMT
Higher standards = insults? Surely not. Yes, higher standards=insults because that is the only way to get their asses in line and moving. If someone doesn't want to do something that is important, then you find a way to force them to do it. Insults are our way. If they would have done a beta test for MP beforehand, they wouldn't be in this mess. The time for being polite is long gone. I disagree. It's a game, not as if someone's life depends on it. Plus, if you want to make yourself heard, spewing insults will most likely result in your arguments getting dismissed.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 16:52:58 GMT
Yes, higher standards=insults because that is the only way to get their asses in line and moving. If someone doesn't want to do something that is important, then you find a way to force them to do it. Insults are our way. If they would have done a beta test for MP beforehand, they wouldn't be in this mess. The time for being polite is long gone. I disagree. It's a game, not as if someone's life depends on it. Plus, if you want to make yourself heard, spewing insults will most likely result in your arguments getting dismissed. Perhaps or perhaps not. It is better then accepting things the way they are. At least with insults, it is more pronounced on how dissatisfied people are on the devs incompetence. Hell, if they gave us the tools to use, more then half the people in the MP section could balance the game better then them.
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Post by lennybusker on May 4, 2017 16:57:22 GMT
I try not to devolve into outright insults, but some of the mechanics in this game are just downright laughable. There are so many steps backwards and unsolving of solved problems that it's just mind-boggling. I know they're humans and I don't hold mistakes against them personally, but they're also professionals and should be held to some kind of standard.
And fuck, you launched the game in this state, you kind of deserve a little shade thrown your way. But still, I prefer a bit of mockery over nerd rage.
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Post by iago on May 4, 2017 16:58:25 GMT
I disagree. It's a game, not as if someone's life depends on it. Plus, if you want to make yourself heard, spewing insults will most likely result in your arguments getting dismissed. Perhaps or perhaps not. It is better then accepting things the way they are. At least with insults, it is more pronounced on how dissatisfied people are on the devs incompetence. Hell, if they gave us the tools to use, more then half the people in the MP section could balance the game better then them. I never said I accepted the things as they are, I just don't resort to insults.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 16:59:39 GMT
Perhaps or perhaps not. It is better then accepting things the way they are. At least with insults, it is more pronounced on how dissatisfied people are on the devs incompetence. Hell, if they gave us the tools to use, more then half the people in the MP section could balance the game better then them. I never said I accepted the things as they are, I just don't resort to insults. Then we have different methods to express the changes people want. The end justifies the means, I don't give two shits what I have to do to get there.
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Post by iago on May 4, 2017 17:04:01 GMT
I never said I accepted the things as they are, I just don't resort to insults. Then we have different methods to express the changes people want. The end justifies the means, I don't give two shits what I have to do to get there. That may be, but I don't think insulting people will get you anywhere. I've had the chance to talk with plenty developers on Twitter, forums and especially at conventions and I don't believe insulting them would have made any of those talks possible.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 17:07:22 GMT
Then we have different methods to express the changes people want. The end justifies the means, I don't give two shits what I have to do to get there. That may be, but I don't think insulting people will get you anywhere. I've had the chance to talk with plenty developers on Twitter, forums and especially at conventions and I don't believe insulting them would have made any of those talks possible. That's because you are still on the polite phase. Once you realize those talks are meaningless and are just there to deceive you in thinking they will do something about it; your tune will change. I used to be all polite too until they released an incompetent patch nerfing the mattock even more stating it was buff. I lost all confidence in their ability to do anything at that point.
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Post by lennybusker on May 4, 2017 17:15:05 GMT
Yeah the main reason that the atmosphere has become somewhat acrimonious is because it's almost 7 weeks post launch and there has been not only no real balance patch at all, but almost radio silence on what's actually being done for balance, and if all of the things we're having issues with are by design or bugs and whether or not they're getting addressed.
"We're looking into it" doesn't count, it's not really any better than silence.
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Post by shinobiwan on May 4, 2017 17:22:46 GMT
Then we have different methods to express the changes people want. The end justifies the means, I don't give two shits what I have to do to get there. That may be, but I don't think insulting people will get you anywhere. It will probably get us further than whatever you're trying to do in this thread. Whatever you're trying to say seems nitpicky and pointless. Some devs don't react to polite criticism. When we tried that here, we only got 'it needs to be this way because jetpacks.' It was a ridiculous justification that didn't match what they actually did (e.g., buffing sniper rifles) and appropriately received ridicule. Also you make a lot of assumptions about what we actually want. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like EA to see the outcry, disband the Montreal team, and hand the IP over to a better studio. Talking to the devs with pleases and thank-you's won't achieve that result.
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Post by iago on May 4, 2017 17:24:10 GMT
That may be, but I don't think insulting people will get you anywhere. I've had the chance to talk with plenty developers on Twitter, forums and especially at conventions and I don't believe insulting them would have made any of those talks possible. That's because you are still on the polite phase. Once you realize those talks are meaningless and are just there to deceive you in thinking they will do something about it; your tune will change. I used to be all polite too until they released an incompetent patch nerfing the mattock even more stating it was buff. I lost all confidence in their ability to do anything at that point. Strange, then I guess I've been in the polite phase for 40 years, but OK... Plus, you're blowing this totally out of proportion - "deceive you"? I've met some of the developers in person and I assure you, they were not deceiving me.
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Post by iago on May 4, 2017 17:26:52 GMT
That may be, but I don't think insulting people will get you anywhere. It will probably get us further than whatever you're trying to do in this thread. Whatever you're trying to say seems nitpicky and pointless. Some devs don't react to polite criticism. When we tried that here, we only got 'it needs to be this way because jetpacks.' Also you make a lot of assumptions about what we actually want. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like EA to see the outcry, disband the Montreal team, and hand the IP over to a better studio. Talking to the devs with pleases and thank-you's won't achieve that result. Insulting people on the Internet will surely get the Montreal studio closed, yep.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 17:28:33 GMT
That's because you are still on the polite phase. Once you realize those talks are meaningless and are just there to deceive you in thinking they will do something about it; your tune will change. I used to be all polite too until they released an incompetent patch nerfing the mattock even more stating it was buff. I lost all confidence in their ability to do anything at that point. Strange, then I guess I've been in the polite phase for 40 years, but OK... Plus, you're blowing this totally out of proportion - "deceive you"? I've met some of the developers in person and I assure you, they were not deceiving me. I guess so then because life has taught me insults work better then politeness when politeness stops working. You can't take anything devs say seriously. They are all PR talk. The ones who aren't are idiots. MMOS has taught me that lesson. Hello Ghostcrawler.
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Post by ajscott819 on May 4, 2017 17:31:27 GMT
But there's a way of making yourself heard and insulting them, giving them flak is not the right way. Those are human beings working there. Uh oh. I just realized we are Outlaw Berserkers. Nothing but flak. OT - I look forward to the discussion. It will determine if I continue to play MEAMP in any regular fashion.
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Post by shinobiwan on May 4, 2017 17:31:58 GMT
It will probably get us further than whatever you're trying to do in this thread. Whatever you're trying to say seems nitpicky and pointless. Some devs don't react to polite criticism. When we tried that here, we only got 'it needs to be this way because jetpacks.' Also you make a lot of assumptions about what we actually want. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like EA to see the outcry, disband the Montreal team, and hand the IP over to a better studio. Talking to the devs with pleases and thank-you's won't achieve that result. Insulting people on the Internet will surely get the Montreal studio closed, yep. The overall reaction to this game, which was mostly expressed on the internet, has probably got EA reconsidering whether they will give Montreal a full title ever again. Time will tell, but we can fuel the fire in the meantime.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 17:33:24 GMT
Insulting people on the Internet will surely get the Montreal studio closed, yep. The overall reaction to this game, which was mostly expressed on the internet, has probably got EA reconsidering whether they will give Montreal a full title ever again. Time will tell, but we can fuel the fire in the meantime. I actually like Montreal studios and the SP. My only issue with the game is MP weapon and power balance.
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Post by Heroicmass on May 4, 2017 17:36:47 GMT
To me the reason that it is all going to pot is that we were very used to developer interaction and transparency with ME3. This definitely have more of a feeling of the dark times of DAIMP as they have seemingly holed up and are staying quiet about the fixes. The route they have chosen to take will only allow people to build up frustration and spin things wherever their mind will take them.
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Post by Kenny Bania on May 4, 2017 17:54:25 GMT
To me the reason that it is all going to pot is that we were very used to developer interaction and transparency with ME3. This definitely have more of a feeling of the dark times of DAIMP as they have seemingly holed up and are staying quiet about the fixes. The route they have chosen to take will only allow people to build up frustration and spin things wherever their mind will take them. This basically. We've lived through this before.
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Post by xassantex on May 4, 2017 17:57:36 GMT
i want them to boost all that is weak and nerf all that is strong. It's a win/win situation. They get to nerf the Vanquisher(... well, that's about it ,) and to balance that out, they boost powers by 200%, lower cooldowns by 200% and put reload cancel back .
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 4, 2017 17:59:59 GMT
i want them to boost all that is weak and nerf all that is strong. It's a win/win situation. They get to nerf the Vanquisher(... well, that's about it ,) and to balance that out, they boost powers by 200%, lower cooldowns by 200% and put reload cancel back . They are not nerfing the vanquisher. It is already perfectly balanced. Everything else just needs to get to its level.
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Post by fhursten on May 4, 2017 18:04:32 GMT
Ofc people are going to be upset and throw insults. People loved the mass effect triology and have been waiting a long time for Andromeda, bioware fucking up this title as much as they have is just plain rude really. They knew the anticipation for this game was enormous and they should have had the courtesy to atleast polish it with beta testing before launching it. Imagine buying a new car and half of the shit in it doesnt work and u need to wait weeks/months before u can even drive it properly. Theres always bugs and issues with a new game of this size but really this is too much and like ppl have said before, bioware should be able to keep to a higher standard. We are talking bethesda lvl of sloppyness here
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Post by xassantex on May 4, 2017 19:51:42 GMT
i want them to boost all that is weak and nerf all that is strong. It's a win/win situation. They get to nerf the Vanquisher(... well, that's about it ,) and to balance that out, they boost powers by 200%, lower cooldowns by 200% and put reload cancel back . They are not nerfing the vanquisher. It is already perfectly balanced. Everything else just needs to get to its level. Yeah we know that, but their logic in balancing is that in order to boost something they have to nerf something else. And what else could they nerf if not the Vanquisher?
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