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Post by Zyurat on May 7, 2017 0:31:58 GMT
From an ignorant perspective here. Aren't people supposed to chase ultra-rares? the only downside I see from a Premium is that you get 5 less consumables, but you always get 2 gold weapons or characters. I know you have the rng give you an ultra-rare at 500k, but I normally get an UR around 200-400k.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 7, 2017 0:37:23 GMT
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Post by BadgerladDK on May 7, 2017 0:41:11 GMT
For 100k you also get two rares from expert packs, plus as you mention, extra consumables. So as long as the premium pack is exactly double the price of two experts, why wouldn't you take the extras?
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Post by Zyurat on May 7, 2017 0:42:42 GMT
For 100k you also get two rares from expert packs, plus as you mention, extra consumables. So as long as the premium pack is exactly double the price of two experts, why wouldn't you take the extras? But the premium has extra chance for an UR... isn't what everyone is after?
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Post by lennybusker on May 7, 2017 0:50:09 GMT
For 100k you also get two rares from expert packs, plus as you mention, extra consumables. So as long as the premium pack is exactly double the price of two experts, why wouldn't you take the extras? But the premium has extra chance for an UR... isn't what everyone is after? It's the same chance per rare slot that Experts have. Plus, Experts have a pity timer, if you haven't had a UR for 9 boxes, on the 10th one you get a UR guaranteed. The premium packs don't have the same timer, meaning it's possible to go more than 10 boxes without a UR.
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Post by Zeraqnach on May 7, 2017 0:52:04 GMT
You still have the same chance for UR´s, why not get more consumeables while you are at it.
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Post by BadgerladDK on May 7, 2017 0:59:10 GMT
But the premium has extra chance for an UR... isn't what everyone is after? It's the same chance per rare slot that Experts have. Plus, Experts have a pity timer, if you haven't had a UR for 9 boxes, on the 10th one you get a UR guaranteed. The premium packs don't have the same timer, meaning it's possible to go more than 10 boxes without a UR. Actually, it seems the premium pack has the same pity timer. But exactly the same, so it's still 10 boxes and if your luck is truly awful, you'll have spent twice what you did on experts to trigger the pity UR.
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Post by SalMasRac on May 7, 2017 1:03:52 GMT
I read somewhere that it seems the actual drop chance of a UR sans Pity Counter is a piddly 4%. Why pay twice as much on such a low roll? Just buy Experts and get the same amount of Gold cards and twice as many Boosters. And don't forget, sometimes that 4% UR drop happens in Expert Packs too.
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Post by wnieves1 on May 7, 2017 1:08:20 GMT
consumables???
I don't need or use them for silver/bronze. Too many CTDs for me to use boosters and lost time on missions for gold.
Premium packs always for me, after maximizing all of my common/uncommons. Been lucky with one double ultra rare. Weapon and character.
Scored back to back Talon drops on one occasion. And max pistol barrel mod. loving the Talon.
Use it exclusively on all characters.
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Post by mtcody on May 7, 2017 1:09:00 GMT
It's the same chance per rare slot that Experts have. Plus, Experts have a pity timer, if you haven't had a UR for 9 boxes, on the 10th one you get a UR guaranteed. The premium packs don't have the same timer, meaning it's possible to go more than 10 boxes without a UR. Actually, it seems the premium pack has the same pity timer. But exactly the same, so it's still 10 boxes and if your luck is truly awful, you'll have spent twice what you did on experts to trigger the pity UR. Yep, expert and premium both share the same pity counter but PPs have higher UR drop rates. PPs are risky but when you spend 10m+ credits on them, you will likely get more URs. However if less than 10m, it's even more risky so in that case then Expert is the way to go.
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Post by BadgerladDK on May 7, 2017 1:14:15 GMT
Actually, it seems the premium pack has the same pity timer. But exactly the same, so it's still 10 boxes and if your luck is truly awful, you'll have spent twice what you did on experts to trigger the pity UR. Yep, expert and premium both share the same pity counter but PPs have higher UR drop rates. PPs are risky but when you spend 10m+ credits on them, you will likely get more URs. However if less than 10m, it's even more risky so in that case then Expert is the way to go. That's a bit contested, since BioWare don't release the extra drop chance info. Consensus in ME3 was that the higher chance just came from having two slots that can roll rare or ultra rare, and it seems to be the same here. In 3 it made more sense to get the bigger pack because it was 99k for two guaranteed rares with a chance of ultra rares vs 60k for one guaranteed rare with a chance of it being an ultra rare. When the price is just straight up doubled, it makes a lot less sense in ME:A.
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Post by lennybusker on May 7, 2017 1:14:43 GMT
It's the same chance per rare slot that Experts have. Plus, Experts have a pity timer, if you haven't had a UR for 9 boxes, on the 10th one you get a UR guaranteed. The premium packs don't have the same timer, meaning it's possible to go more than 10 boxes without a UR. Actually, it seems the premium pack has the same pity timer. But exactly the same, so it's still 10 boxes and if your luck is truly awful, you'll have spent twice what you did on experts to trigger the pity UR. Uh, lots of people reporting more than 10 Premiums without a UR drop. Which is double when you consider the 2 rare slots.
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Post by mtcody on May 7, 2017 1:21:32 GMT
Actually, it seems the premium pack has the same pity timer. But exactly the same, so it's still 10 boxes and if your luck is truly awful, you'll have spent twice what you did on experts to trigger the pity UR. Uh, lots of people reporting more than 10 Premiums without a UR drop. Which is double when you consider the 2 rare slots. No, this is simply false. I have spent millions, millions and millions on PPs. I always get a UR on the 10th whenever my luck is shitty.
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Post by pitka17 on May 7, 2017 1:27:18 GMT
People are seeing exactly a 20% chance of one UR per Premium pack. In other words... on average 500k of premiums gives you 1 UR char/weapon.
People are seeing the pity counter give 1 UR if you buy the 10 expert packs. In other words... even if there was a 0% chance of getting an UR in your first 9 packs, you'd also spend 500k on experts to give you 1 UR char/weapon. But because there is a 4ish%* chance on each expert pack before that, you actually spend less than 500k for each 1 UR char/weapon. Plus you get more equipment.
*Within 0.5%, based on the likelyhood of getting a streakbreaker on 302 expert packs, but who cares when people collecting data on premiums are getting no more than 20% chance.
TLDR: The odds might be higher for the random (first 9 packs without) premiums but there is a streakbreaker for expert packs that makes the UR odds better per credit.
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Post by cruzifer on May 7, 2017 2:34:44 GMT
I don't get all into the numbers but I just stick with the Premium. I have everything else maxed out besides some Uncommon Mods and my UR drop rate isn't too bad. I usually save up to 1 million before spending. This past weekend I had over 2 mill saved and went ahead and splurged. I want to get my Kineticist to X bad.
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Post by Zyurat on May 7, 2017 2:45:16 GMT
I don't get all into the numbers but I just stick with the Premium. I have everything else maxed out besides some Uncommon Mods and my UR drop rate isn't too bad. I usually save up to 1 million before spending. This past weekend I had over 2 mill saved and went ahead and splurged. I want to get my Kineticist to X bad. We're still talking about credits, right?
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Post by Schachmatt123 on May 7, 2017 4:51:56 GMT
Uh, lots of people reporting more than 10 Premiums without a UR drop. Which is double when you consider the 2 rare slots. No, this is simply false. I have spent millions, millions and millions on PPs. I always get a UR on the 10th whenever my luck is shitty. I just spend 3 million on premiums. Only got 5 UR out of 30 packs. Counter was reseted before starting that spree. With experts, there would've been 6 (at least!). Even if the 10 pack rule does apply to premiums, too, in terms of UR cards it is a ripoff. I can just warn people to not buy premiums, they are broken right now. Unless you enjoy lvl1 boosters in the most expensive crates that credits and real world money can buy.
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Post by kalil on May 7, 2017 4:58:43 GMT
The empirical data collected so far indicates that expert packs are strictly superior to premium packs when you buy them using credits. Premium packs are probably better for andromeda points but if the pity timer is 10 packs on both they are actually equal to a fraction of a percent in terms of UR per andromeda point spent.
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Post by gethadept on May 7, 2017 5:12:46 GMT
0.1% increased chance of ur drop is not worth double the credits
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Post by Uchimura on May 7, 2017 5:34:50 GMT
It's the same chance per rare slot that Experts have. Plus, Experts have a pity timer, if you haven't had a UR for 9 boxes, on the 10th one you get a UR guaranteed. The premium packs don't have the same timer, meaning it's possible to go more than 10 boxes without a UR. Actually, it seems the premium pack has the same pity timer. But exactly the same, so it's still 10 boxes and if your luck is truly awful, you'll have spent twice what you did on experts to trigger the pity UR. A lot of people say EA is cashgrabbing with MP. I don't usually hop onboard the "fuck EA" ship, however.. if it's true that Premiums do not actually have a pity timer, or Premium's is just flat out worse, that is a pretty slimy thing to do as people paying money for packs are definitely going to gravitate towards Premiums for the 300 points vs 200 point Experts. On top of the shady wording of "higher chance for at least 1 Ultra-Rare". Actually, isn't that fraud?
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Post by Astronautic on May 7, 2017 6:37:45 GMT
This, more consumables in general, and N7 weapons are trash.
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Post by kalil on May 7, 2017 7:10:52 GMT
Based on the following assumptions:
1) Each rare slot in a pack has 10% chance of becomming an ultra rare 2) The expert pack has a 10 pack pity timer 3) The premium pack also has a 10 pack pity timer
the average cost per ultra rare from each pack is:
Expert pack: 342k credits or 1370 andromeda points Premium packs: 446k credits or 1340 andromeda points
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Post by Pounce de León on May 7, 2017 7:19:56 GMT
For 100k you also get two rares from expert packs, plus as you mention, extra consumables. So as long as the premium pack is exactly double the price of two experts, why wouldn't you take the extras? But the premium has extra chance for an UR... isn't what everyone is after? Oh yea? Ushior III destroyed that desire.
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Post by misguidedworm7 on May 7, 2017 7:39:35 GMT
expert packs are simply better.
In 1 million credits. (~19-20 full gold games) 20 expert packs give -20-40 or more gold cards/ultra rare chances (you can even get three items in one pack rarely) -minimum 2 ultra rares (1 every 10) -up to 80 consumables (- for extra items)
10 premium packs give -20-30 gold cards/ultra rare chances (you can get three as often as you do two in expert packs) -minimum 1 ultra rare (1 every 10) -up to 30 consumables.
It's literally worse at everything, unless the drop rate for ultra rares is something like triple, which even if it is, you can get screwed over twice as hard in just the ultra rare items alone, let alone the massive reduction in everything else.
I have had triple ultra rare drops from expert packs, so it's not even like you have better upper limits on premiums, unless they can give you four ultra rares while experts can't. But good luck when you get half as many chances to try for less likely outcomes.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 7, 2017 7:54:54 GMT
But the premium has extra chance for an UR... isn't what everyone is after? It's the same chance per rare slot that Experts have. Plus, Experts have a pity timer, if you haven't had a UR for 9 boxes, on the 10th one you get a UR guaranteed. The premium packs don't have the same timer, meaning it's possible to go more than 10 boxes without a UR. This. Save 500,000 credits - blow them on Expert packs until you get an UR. Repeat.
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