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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 22:08:11 GMT
So we had the scans that showed the golden worlds were golden worlds 600 years ago. During the planet side first mission ryder says that the remnant ruins look to be 300-400 years old (using a scanner but not verified by SAM). Was that a wrong estimate? What I am confused about is if the golden worlds were made golden worlds by the Jaadan or if they were used to help create the vault network. I'm also not clear on when the Jaadan were actually there or the actual time the angara have been part of helius. We know the scourge had to take place after the scans. But I don't understand why the vaults were made on golden planets unless we just had no way to know they were there. The date ryder gives though confuses me and as I think about it I wonder if the Jadaan actually screwed things up for the golden worlds. If they came after we left, then the angara were not part of helius at that time and that means that their race is only at most 600 years old I think, but their 'reincarnation' memories seem more like some kind of transferred memory could be from other angara and the templates were improvements of their own race, possibly even by previous angara. They could be Jadaan and not even know it. But the timeline has me wondering if I missed some details along the way.
Or are the scans not from 600 years ago but from more than 600 years ago? I know it was brought up that if we looked at andromeda from milky way it would be something like a million years difference. Still though, if the vault tech is only 400 years old, the worlds were golden before the jadaan got their mitts on them.
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Post by zarrokhai on May 8, 2017 0:56:02 GMT
It could be that the Remnant architecture that was built on Habitat 7 was specifically 300-400 years old. I'm guessing the Remnant were around for a good long while in Andromeda.
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Post by Moleman on May 8, 2017 1:08:11 GMT
When we look at Andromeda in the present day, we see it as it was around 2+ million years ago. When they looked at it with the all-purpose-magic-relay telescope, the time lag was considerably less, but still not real time. The whole reason they noticed an unnatural number of golden worlds is because the vault network was already up and working long before the AI launched.
The angara can't be the jaardan. At the very least because whatever we see of their ancient city on voeld looks nothing like the vaults or khi tasira.
The 300-400y old thing I can't explain. It's likely things got mixed up at Bioware or as you said, because our scanner is SAM-less the estimate is completely off.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 8, 2017 2:37:13 GMT
According to the timeline on the mass effect wiki the Jardaan began terraforming in the Heleus cluster around 1600 CE, 1200 years before the game takes place. The Scourge appeared about 2400 CE, so the 400 years old structures on habitat 7 are relatively new, probably among the last things the Jardaan ever built in the cluster. I assume the scans the Initative got from the Geth have little to no delay thanks to Space Magic (tm), so the Jardaan's little project was still ongoing and not interrupted by the Scourge when they left the MW and the unusual high number in the cluster is indeed the Jardaan's doing, not a natural occurrence. No idea how long the Anagara exist, however. They are definitely older than the Scourge by at least 4 centuries. Maybe they even precede the terraforming in the Heleus cluster, but they could just as well have been created as part of the Jardaan's project there. |
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Post by Papa Franku on May 8, 2017 6:55:59 GMT
"A Goldilocks planet is a planet that falls within a star's habitable zone, and the name is often specifically used for planets close to the size of Earth."
I think the planet just needed to be the right size and distance from their sun to be designated "a golden world" I doubt even the geth scans would not be as detailed as showing plant life, water or atmosphere
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Post by Psychedelic on May 8, 2017 14:19:01 GMT
The Initiative knew one planet was supposed to have dextro-aminoacid based lifeforms, detecting water or the general composition of the atmosphere seems far more likely. And the messsages on the forward stations usually say something along the lines of "~90% divergence from expected parameters", just the size of the planet and distance to the sun hardly changed that much. So they had far more detailed information on the golden worlds, but I agree, even with the Geth's technology it does look like a case of Space Magic.
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Post by Iakus on May 8, 2017 15:20:08 GMT
So we had the scans that showed the golden worlds were golden worlds 600 years ago. During the planet side first mission ryder says that the remnant ruins look to be 300-400 years old (using a scanner but not verified by SAM). Was that a wrong estimate? What I am confused about is if the golden worlds were made golden worlds by the Jaadan or if they were used to help create the vault network. I'm also not clear on when the Jaadan were actually there or the actual time the angara have been part of helius. We know the scourge had to take place after the scans. But I don't understand why the vaults were made on golden planets unless we just had no way to know they were there. The date ryder gives though confuses me and as I think about it I wonder if the Jadaan actually screwed things up for the golden worlds. If they came after we left, then the angara were not part of helius at that time and that means that their race is only at most 600 years old I think, but their 'reincarnation' memories seem more like some kind of transferred memory could be from other angara and the templates were improvements of their own race, possibly even by previous angara. They could be Jadaan and not even know it. But the timeline has me wondering if I missed some details along the way. Or are the scans not from 600 years ago but from more than 600 years ago? I know it was brought up that if we looked at andromeda from milky way it would be something like a million years difference. Still though, if the vault tech is only 400 years old, the worlds were golden before the jadaan got their mitts on them. My understanding is: Standard telescopes see Andromeda from over 2 million years ago. The AI was using algorithms to predict which worlds would be worth settling based on the state they were in back then. The geth relay telescope provided near-real time examination of the worlds, which they used to verify the algorithm's predictions.
Why this telescope did not pick up angara or jaardan activity is unknown. They were space faring at the time.
I suspect the vaults were put in place to turn GOLDEN worlds into GARDEN worlds. They are terraforming devices
The scourge appeared some 400-500 years ago (while the AI was en route and in cryo). This drove away the jaardan and put the angara into a dark age.
They were just coming out of that state when the kett showed up eighty years ago |
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