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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 17:30:16 GMT
This reminds me. The only real problem I had with the entire scene in the show was the music. It was good music, don't get me wrong. But it sounded so uncertain and almost scary, the entire sequence. Even after you had reason to believe it was a Jedi, much less Luke, it stays dark. I couldn't help thinking at the time, once I realized it was him, that there should be a shift in the music by this point to show hope, like a soft thread of the force theme/tatooine music going in the background. My guess is part of it is to match the perspective of the people in the room. Gideon is terrified, Mando has never seen a Jedi Master before, and everyone else their relationship with Jedi is...complicated. So either they are uncertain or scared, fitting the music. From his point of view, the Jedi who destroyed two Death Stars, fought Vader numerous times and was the sole survivor of a confrontation with both Vader and Sidious, has appeared out of nowhere to board his ship and is even that moment in the process of cutting through his elite battle droids like tin-foil, on a warpath that leads directly to Gideon's location.
I know that's only the popular fan interpretation for Gideon's terror, but I kinda dig the idea of Luke Skywalker being something of a legendary boogeyman to ex-Imperial soldiers, much like Vader obviously was for the Rebels. In both hallway scenes, they come across as unholy, unstoppable juggernauts and the tone switches to that of a slasher film.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 16:54:45 GMT
I felt like Homer Simpson watching Twin Peaks.
"Brilliant... I have absolutely no idea what's going on!"
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 16:50:09 GMT
Does anyone else wonder how they'll handle writing Morrigan as the new "Flemeth", assuming that it was the spirit of Mythal that Flemeth was transferring through the Eluvian to find it's way to her at the end of Inquisition?
You'd think that becoming "Flemeth" and having Mythal's spirit in her head would have to change her in some way... and given that fans like Morrigan as she is, it might be hard for them to change up her character dynamic in such a drastic way? Plus her complicated relationship with her mother kinda was an important part of her story arc, which was largely resolved in Inquisition.
I suppose they could circumvent this by introducing another sister of Morrigan who ends up assuming the mantle of Flemeth during the game and deals with the newfound perspective of having all that knowledge, power and an ancient elven spirit dumped into their head. She could even have something of an inferiority complex because she knows Morrigan was supposed to be the one who got the spirit of Mythal, but for some reason it transferred to her instead, despite Flemeth not thinking she was "suitable".
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 16:19:57 GMT
But it is mentioned in TVN that Solas or Fen'harel might not be his real name either, it is certainly implied. That would an additional layer of subtext to his comment about hoping that Abelas finds "a new name".
We also know that Abelas adopted his name ("Sorrow") after the fall of Elvhenan and loss of their gods, so it seems like this was not too uncommon a practice for Ancient Elves. Solas having taken the name "Pride" might have been somehow related to his original role and purpose, prior to him turning against the Evanuris and adopting the persona of "the Dread Wolf".
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 16:05:54 GMT
The last was being so paranoid and power hungry that he tried to seize the throne and caused a civil war in the middle of a blight so that the response to the Blight was pretty much 0. I desperately want to a make a joke about someone we're all thinking of right now, but I know the mods will frown.
So I'm merely going to nod sagely and smile at the inference.... and how fun it is to say... "inference".
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 15:56:57 GMT
Flemeth: Watch for the abyss. And when it comes before you, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when we fall that we learn if we can fly. Hawke: Okay, funny hair. A few years later, in the Fade:Hawke: By Andraste's nipples, the witch was right! Now is the moment of truth! [Couldn't fly]
Why do you think they kept asking about learning how to turn into a dragon? Hawke knew it would be useful!
But in seriousness, if you think about it, Flemeth's prophecy did come true.
Hawke and the Inquisitor would have died falling into the Abyssal Rift, but survived by leaping into the Fade.
(Also if you subscribe to the fan theory that Hawke was originally meant to be the Inquisitor, this foreshadowing would have worked even better)
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 15:22:35 GMT
Justice – Corrupted into – Vengeance, Sloth** Could Spirits of Justice also be perverted into Rage?
In Jaws of Hakkon, there was an Inquisition scout who became an abomination and cut a bloody swathe through all those it held responsible for the death of their friend. When the Inquisitor confronted them over, they claimed to only be wanting to exact justice and want to continue working for the Inquisition (which you can allow), but if you chose to fight them, they transformed into a Greater Rage Demon.
Between the motivations of the host when they accepted the deal, the misguided belief they were still acting righteously and the cold fury with which they fell upon their victims, the JOH Rage Demon seems very similar to Justice/Vengeance in DA2.
Come to think of it, we never actually saw Justice manifest into a full abomination in DA2, transforming from his host into a pure demon form (like Uldred). It makes me wonder then if he had, what Vengeance would look like in a demon form? Or whether Justice would have become a Rage demon, but Anders' influence was the only thing holding him back?
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 14:21:41 GMT
Actually Flemeth DOES have to power of foresight. Anyone who has read The Stolen Throne will know that. In the book she warns Maric about the Blight and of Loghain's betrayal. And the reason she needed Hawke to smuggle her to the Freemarches is because she knew Morrigan intended to try and convince the Warden to Kill her. Something which my Warden never does. Flemeth's foresight was also hinted at during our Warden's first meeting with her, when she makes an offhand comment about Daveth not being important to this story, seemingly aware that he would not survive the Joining.
And she seemed to know (or at least guess) that Hawke had some important destiny in Kirkwall, beyond simply ferrying her locket to Sundermount.
As a believer in destiny, Flemeth would notice how highly improbable their meeting was if not a sign from fate... because otherwise, that would mean she just chose on a whim to save a random family of refugees from darkspawn, who just so happened to be planning to head across the Waking Sea, to the exact place her locket needed to be delivered too?
That wasn't a sign, it was a frigging Bat-Signal. She said "loghain will betray you, each time worse than the last". In exactly what way is never stated. But given what happens in Origins it seems pretty clear. The first betrayal was him developing feelings for Rowan (which were reciprocated) before she was to marry Maric, the second was indirectly causing the death of Katriel by informing Maric that she was a spy and had betrayed him (which while true, wasn't the whole story) and the third was abandoning Maric's son to die at Ostagar.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 18, 2021 13:33:47 GMT
Yet those Emerald Knights who were involved with Red Crossing were buried in the Knight's Tomb, which always struck me as strange because clearly the inhabitants of the Dales didn't erect it. So they seemed happy to use this large structure to inter their dead. I wonder who originally constructed it because of the large wolf guardian at the door. Or was the wolf statue only a more modern addition from the time of the Dales? I've also question the majority of those wolf statues but particularly the gigantic one overlooking the Exalted Plains. Why would the elves of the Dales erect loads of wolf statues? Trying to appease Fen'Harel? Hoping he'd drive off their enemies, like the smaller statues outside their camps? Or was the big wolf a relic of a bygone age? In which case, when exactly was it erected because the moment Fen'Harel fell out of favour, wouldn't the other Evanuris have destroyed it? I always assumed the Knight's tombs, Wolf statues and various buildings like the Citadel (with it's crazy magic lasergun) were all constructed by the Ancient Elves, before being repurposed by the Dalish centuries later.
The Dalish might have chosen to bury the Emerald Knights in an important looking Ancient Elven building as a means to honour them, similar to famous British explorers, authors and soldiers are sometimes honoured by being buried in Westminster Abbey, alongside long-dead Kings and Queens.
Isn't the Dalish demonisation of Wolves something of a modern inclusion in their culture, I seem to recall something about the Emerald Knights fighting alongside tamed wolves? Perhaps the Dalish's modern antipathy for wolves stems the realisation that their clans could not afford to lose even a single Halla to a wolf attack, as without the means to pull their aravels, they were easy pickings for their enemies.
The demonisation of wolves might have also been linked to their association with Fen'Harel. We know that Fen'Harel became more reviled over time, as the word "Harel" these days denotes a traitor or dread, but in the past it simply denoted someone who rebelled.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 12, 2021 4:01:02 GMT
That too.
If the only option for Solas to live was to force him back into Uthenera or the Fade, I'd take that as a bittersweet but acceptable outcome. I'd prefer to keep him alive, even if I have to stick him in time out for another thousand years until he cools the hell down.
Between the Evanuris and the Old Gods, I'm sure there's still space on the shelf for another sealed "evil" in a can.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 12, 2021 3:42:22 GMT
Orzammar dwarves bury their dead, or perhaps entomb is the better word. Anyway the idea is that you become one with the stone and make the foundations of the thaig stronger if I remember correctly. No idea about surface dwarves. I'd imagine the old-school kalnas families that maintained close ties to Orzammar and dwarves who wear their ancestral pride on their sleeves would continue to bury their dead underground, because it's tradition. Bartrand for instance, strikes me as someone who'd insist on being buried, whereas Varric likely has no qualms about being cremated.
On a side note, is anyone else curious about the tombs we've seen on the surface belonging to dwarven Grey Wardens?
Is this is how Grey Wardens normally honour dwarven Wardens who don't perish in the Deep Roads, the result of other Dwarven Wardens wanted to bury their kinsmen properly, or the families of those Wardens having put something up in their honour?
The Dalish bury their dead and plant a tree with them. You can mention this to Alistair in DAO as a Dalish elf. This practice is likely how the Emerald Graves became so densely forested and earned it's name, as one mass grave for all the Elves killed during the Exalted Marches.
Inquisition even gives a couple hints how the Elven funeral rites evolved in the wake of the fall of the Dales, as prior to it, it appears that Elves would bury their dead in barrows under a tree, with stone slabs serving as a grave markers (such as the graveyard in the Exalted Plains). Whereas in the Emerald Graves we only see trees with a few stones piled on top of each other to serve as a marker (if given a marker at all).
I guess the sheer scale of lives lost during the Exalted Marches forced the change in custom, as they had little time for elaborate burials anymore and may have feared that leaving obvious graves could meant their dead would be profaned by enemy soldiers or looters.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 12, 2021 2:57:38 GMT
hah, I just finished a season of a visual novel with that exact premise...noble death after doing some bad things in the past
provided they do it well, I won't mind seeing that ending either...but I'm sure it'll break a lot of Solavellan hearts...again If Solas dies, we riot.
In the words of the immortal Captain Holt from Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
"You took the wrong FLUFFY BOY!"
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 14:24:50 GMT
But putting all that aside (which we shouldn't, these are all huge red flags), his behaviour re: Mark's departure was incredibly unprofessional, and he has been unprofessional BEFORE, like spilling shit about DAI when he was still under an NDA. BioWare had significant grounds for cutting ties with him long before this incident. As far as I can see, the only "Greg Ellis problem" is that BioWare ever hired him in the first place. Luckily, it's an easy fix. Anyone remember when it was claimed he couldn't reprise the role of Anders in DA2 due to unspecified "shenanigans" that prevented him from taking on a larger role?
In retrospect, it makes me wonder if it wasn't a scheduling conflict or concern that him voicing two characters (Anders and Cullen), but that there might have been some kind of conflict behind the scenes and they weren't willing to give him the more prominent role of Anders? Obviously Cullen's popularity in the fandom was one of the primary reasons he got brought back again and again, but it makes me wonder if the Bioware devs were less thrilled about that than we were?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 14:02:57 GMT
I noticed there's also a better quality image of this Deep Roads concept art on Dragon Age's site.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 13:24:29 GMT
"Sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones, but you still have to choose." - The Twelfth Doctor
"Mercy is the mark of a great man." *Stabs* "Guess I'm just good man." *Stabs* "Well, I'm alright." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 13:06:51 GMT
Let us then end the conversation on an agreeing note, because that is precisely where we are headed.
Well said, and apologies if I was being slightly contentious before.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 12:58:15 GMT
You can change your skin colour with the right implant and have facejobs for wolf face. You can replace your reproductive parts for utilities and / or weapons. CP is a world where you customise yourself. You can be Fluffy, Mr Cyborg or Chanelle the Butterfly. How all this superficial stuff changes inner thoughts or character is a thing to explore in RP, but that is the thing with the setting. And if you don't like what you are you can just go fry your brain fighting an AI in the net. How the AI chooses to display and represent itself is a thing, too, btw. Exactly, I'm not sure why some people are criticising the game for lack of representation when the game's whole premise and setting kinda makes being trans or cis a moot point? Anyone in this world can be whatever they want to be and presumably do... so why are some people assuming that trans people don't exist in this future?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 12:38:11 GMT
That's the flip side to freedom of speech, you can't be the good without the bad. Otherwise it's no longer freedom of speech.
I could not agree more.
Freedom of Speech is something that can be hard to accept if the freedom to speak is not yours, but it's important that everyone gets it. And while it can make things like slander and insults awkward to deal with, because the offender will always claim they are a part of freedom of speech, it protects us from things far worse.
Freedom of Speech should only be protected until it veers into Hate Speech, which is never productive, called for or served any purpose other than causing harm. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything... otherwise someone else might exercise their gods-given freedom to put their foot up your backside!
Not trying to start a debate on free-speech, just throwing out there that good manners cost nothing and the golden rule exists for a reason.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 12:13:42 GMT
Those examples involve having spaceship or space station levels of power sources, something people don’t have even with armor. Also it’s not kinetic barriers even holding the atmosphere in, but mass effect fields holding a compound that acts like a membrane to trap the atmosphere. Kinetic Barriers ("Shields"): Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
Kinetic barriers are repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.
The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.There are other codex entries like the ones on armor that also mention this. You're right, I mixed up kinetic barriers with mass effect fields, D'oh!
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 12:08:34 GMT
They're getting pissed though Wait a moment... in a world where transhumanism is the norm, why would V find transgender people worthy of comment? Surely the culture of this future society is one that is far more tolerant of trans individuals and where changing biological sex is barely any less remarkable than undergoing cybernetic augmentation.
More to the point, if body mods have advanced to the point people can have concealed guns and blades in their arms, surely gender reassignment surgery has advanced enough that trans individuals are completely indistinguishable from non-trans individuals anyway?
In Night City, how would anyone even know if the person sitting opposite them was trans, but more importantly, why would anyone care?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 11:07:42 GMT
I can already see someone like the TheQuartering blowing everything out of proportion. As that neckbeard is wont to do. Yeah, I'd rather take advice from people not given lifetime bans from the Magic: The Gathering community for harassing cosplayers.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 10:56:47 GMT
What annoys me most about the Mandalorian is its treatment of Stormtroopers. They are supposed to be the elite, Obi Wan was praising their precision in ep.4, yet here they are completely useless. They are being killed by the dozens even by the weakest enemies, like Cara Dune, Greef Karga and that blue guy on imperial outpost when they run headlong into a group of troopers. Mando has beskar, whats their excuse? Even worse, this is being canonized by constant jokes and remarks about stormtrooper marksmanship throughout the series. They are as much of a threat as B1 droids to a pair of experienced Jedis. This is fine in games (due to gameplay mechanics) and cartoons (targeting a younger audience) but not ok in a series which is supposed to be more grounded in reality. My handwave/headcanon. Obi-Wan mistakenly believed that the Stormtroopers possessed the same degree of combat prowess and precision marksmanship as the Clonetroopers he served with during the Clone Wars, not realising that by the time of ANH, the Clones had largely been replaced by regular infantry.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 10:44:03 GMT
At the request of the OP, this thread has moved to the 'DA4' board. Even if the game is still a couple years away, being in the DA4 section makes it seem closer than it did yesterday.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 10:31:25 GMT
This is, what? 7th or 8th time BioWare had died? Necromancy. Does this make us the Mourn Watch?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2020 10:29:44 GMT
It's already been established that Destroy is a bittersweet ending even without EDI and the Geth being wiped out. The Extended Cut glosses over the extreme cost victory over the Reapers comes at. There's no good reason not to retcon the removal of one of the most interesting characters and an AI based on collective intelligence. One of Mass Effect's strengths is aliens which are more than just humans with some funny stuff on their foreheads.
It didn't gloss over the cost, The Geth and AI was part of the cost. ya'll need to just accept it and move on. I see EDI as the only real victim of the Destroy ending, because the Crucible was clearly designed in that instance to fry anything with Reaper code/tech in it, which Cerberus used to rebuild the Hannibal AI into EDI.
The Geth are less victims, because they chose to "cheat" in ME3 by upgrading themselves with Reaper code to reach full sentience, despite this being antithetical to what Legion said they believed in in ME2. Perhaps if the Geth had not installed those upgrades, the beam would not have affected them at all because they would have had no Reaper code to fry.
The bittersweet nature of the Destroy Ending is why I consider it the "canon" ending, because it destroys the Reapers once and for all and stays true to Shepard's primary motivation for the entire trilogy. Controlling the Reapers has always been the Illusive Man's goal, while merging with them was Saren's... and neither of those options exactly worked out well for either of them. Why would Shepard not chose to destroy the Reapers, when they've shown themselves willing to wipe out organic and synthetic life?
Actually this would have been an interesting option to have... a Synthetic Ending where Shepard ended the Cycle by sacrificed all organic life in the Milky Way to destroy the Reapers (who are part organic), allowing synthetics like the Geth to become the dominant lifeform in the galaxy.
It'd be even more bittersweet, having the Geth narrate that they will honour the sacrifice made for them and hope that when organic life rises again and ventures to the stars, this time they'll be able to greet them as friends.
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