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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 23:40:50 GMT
The woman in armor similar to Jien's is called Hayes, as seen in this video:
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 23:28:50 GMT
He can't because the statement is simply wrong. It's not. Though I agree that simply disagreeing is stupid and simplistic. We should have options to elaborate. Science and religion have no correlation. Religion is purely man made and with no tanglible proof of the existance of an all powerful higher being. Stating that "I'm studying god's creation" is imposing your religious beliefs on scientific studies without giving any evidence that we can see a godly influence on the things we study. Nope, because saying that God created something has no influence over scientific research done on something. That's only what she believes and I can't see how she imposes anything on anyone but herself. I doubt she'd mention that God created something in her research report, so it's completely irrelevant to the study and only has the effect of providing her initiative to work and keeping her morale high. By your logic, faith collided with medieval battles, because saying things like "Our faith will protects us" or "God is with us" was imposing your beliefs on soldiers, yet everyone sane knew the true battle will be resolved by swords, tactics and such. It only boosted morale of soldiers and gave them a reason to fight. When King Jan III Sobieski defeated Ottomans at Vienna, he said "Veni, vidi, Deus vicit" (I came, I saw, God won), yet it wasn't the God who received Semper Fidelis Tibi Poloniae (Always Faithful to You, Poland) title from the Pope, but city of Lwów (now Lviv, Ukraine) which vigorously defended against Ottoman forces. The two didn't collide and the same applies to science. So long as she keeps her priorities in check (just like the soldiers who relied on their skills, tactics and weapons and only used faith as motivation), her faith has no impact on her work.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 23:15:18 GMT
"Science and religion are clearly at odds" is such a weak argument. You have to get into why. Stupid Ryder... He can't because the statement is simply wrong.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 23:09:28 GMT
Huh, she really doesn't take well to atheism. Not exactly digging her writing. It feels like BW tried really hard to mesh two relatively different set of ideals in a single character just so the players get to discuss "hot topics" with them. How is sciencific and religious entirely different set of ideals? You're literally figuring out how things a higher being created work and use that knowledge to help humanity. For her it's simply fascinating to figure out how complex is the world God created. Tons of inventors, sciencists, mathematic and physics masterminds were religious and they managed just fine. Why are you so surprised she takes it bad when you literally try to force the view that God doesn't exist on her? I imagine you wouldn't take religious fanatics trying to force Jesus on you well either.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 22:58:27 GMT
Something else to keep in mind is that Bioware has never given m/m options without bisexual men being involved. In fact, m/m options that are only interested in men are a new thing. It doesn't make much sense that bisexual men will suddenly disappear from the main romances. Cortez in ME3 and Dorian in DA:I?
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 22:47:22 GMT
It's up.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 22:14:58 GMT
Why would Gil be gay and not Suvi. Bioware said there would be f/f romances and Suvi is 99.99% confirmed now to be gay,and that's not just from this video but from things that has been said about her elsewhere. This is the romance thread before Inquisition all over again. We have enough evidence to make the decision without Bioware just telling us but most are not wanting to make that decision unless they get bioware's word. From what I have seen I am 100% certain that Suvi is the f/f romance There's all the evidence we need to conclude she's an option for Sara, but there's no evidence at all that she's not an option for Scott as well (though the chances of her being lesbian are high). So long as we have this situation, saying she's confirmed to be lesbian is baseless.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 21:15:50 GMT
A video you should probably look forward to once it unlocks:
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 20:20:07 GMT
and Cora turned out to be sleeping around. Now, I'm not opposed to sexual romances like you are, but someone who engages in casual sex is definitely a no-go for me. I confess, I'm curious as to why. Because of my personal moral values. I think having sex with someone you have no interest in being in a serious relationship is immmoral. I believe it's the highest level of intimacy only to be shared with someone special and dear to you and not with random people. I hold myself to that standard and expect my potential partner to do so as well. If I am to spend the rest of my life with someone and care for them, I can hold that person to whatever standards I want and of course the opposite is true as well.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 20:12:21 GMT
The game launches one week from today. We're almost there. Wish I could be excited. Don't worry, you're not alone. After watching all the trailers and reading info I won't be getting the game until maybe when it goes on a big sale. Suvi will probably be lesbian and Cora turned out to be sleeping around. Now, I'm not opposed to sexual romances like you are, but someone who engages in casual sex is definitely a no-go for me. That leaves me with aliens in which I have no interest in. Combine that with terrible animations, story with lighter tone than trilogy (which after ME1 was too light for me in the first place), often only two responses in dialogues and overall cringey dialogue, my interest is very low. Good think there's abdundance of RPGs for me now. Torment: Tides of Numenera just came out, I'm still yet to complete Tyranny, Divinity: Original Sin 2 is around the corner and Pillars of Eternity 2 got crowdfounded. I won't be missing much by skipping Andromeda.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 19:45:35 GMT
What we know for sure:
1. Cora - straight. 2. Liam - straight. 3. Gil - gay. 4. Peebe - bi. 3. Suvi - confirmed for Sara, unknown whether avaliable to Scott as well. 4. Vetra - probably bi, but can't confirm either Sara or Scott from what we've seen so far. 5. Dr. Lexi - either not avaliable at all or bi (same dialogue for both Ryders, but wasn't a definite rejection imo). 6. Jaal - confirmed as RO, but no info for who yet.
I'm sure there will be more ROs as well.
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Post by readher on Mar 14, 2017 18:50:56 GMT
Never played KOTOR so I don't know :S If it's a real rejection the heart/flirth option shouldn't appear anymore right? I hope somebody here can answer that! Her reluctance to romance you was because she is a Jedi so you know the rules on that but if you keep trying you eventually get her to develop feelings to the point you kiss, but she stops there and says they shouldn't have done that and goes off. Main plot stuff happens and at the end love is declared. Probably not for her, since she doesn't seem like Dorian who will playfully flirt. Bastilla also says at the top of the temple that should you turn to the Dark Side and join her in overthrowing Malak, she'll become your lover.
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Post by readher on Mar 11, 2017 7:39:35 GMT
It's BioWare without Karpyshyn. Don't expect it. The last BW where you could be racist was ME1 and after that all such options suddenly dissapeared. If you want actual RPG with actual diversity in dialogue and choices, go for Obsidian. Tyranny is great in that regard (though no racism in that game since there are only himans). BioWare is too scared of their safe-zone fans to give you actual roleplay options (Dorian's mission, never forget). Meanwhile you have Disfavored soldiers using prisoners as sex slaves in Tyranny. No touching of such subjects by BW anymore sadly.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 19:26:05 GMT
I've played as female character in many games and since I'm not attracted to men I always romance women in them so I'm de facto playing lesbian characters. I simply never had any need to "identify with" any character, be it in games or other media. If anything, I often play as characters vastly different from what I am in real life. I'm honestly yet to meet a guy who refused to play a game because you have to play as a woman, yet there are many women who refuse to play a game if they have to play as a man. I don't know why is that, but it's something to think about. Remember that Tomb Raider games came out way before girls started playing games (in any significant numbers) yet they were very popular and successful. Most men simply don't care and have no need to identify with character they play. Yes, I had CoG in mind when I was writing my post. As for the Japanese games, well, some of them are H and some of them aren't (they usually are though). Depends whether it's uncensored or censored version as well Dude, you need to work on your empathy. We straight men have a huge variety of choice of straight men to play across all of gaming, so when the comparitively rare chance comes to play as a woman, or even more rarely a gay woman, it's a fun curiosity. If on the other hand you are a gay woman and most games expect you to play as a straight man, you're going to jump at the chance to play as someone like you for a change, and if you can have a relationship that is exclusive to your sexual orientation, that's something rare to cling on to. Can't work on my empathy since I have none.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 19:19:02 GMT
I mean... no offense to anyone here but I don't consider H-games to be proper lesbian representation. It's for guys wanting to jack off to lesbians, not genuine lesbian rep. But if you have recs for games that aren't hentai, I'd be glad to hear 'em. store.steampowered.com/curator/6864182-Hella-Yuri/This list is your friend. The amount of content varies, read descriptions and comments to each game to see if it's something your interested in (both in extent and type of lesbian content). I've played as female character in many games and since I'm not attracted to men I always romance women in them so I'm de facto playing lesbian. I simply never had any need to "identify with" any character, be it in games or other media. If anything, I often play as characters vastly different from what I am in real life. I'm honestly yet to meet a guy who refused to play a game because you have to play as a woman, yet there are many women who refuse to play a game if they have to play as a man. I don't know why is that, but it's something to think about. Remember that Tomb Raider games came out way before girls started playing games (in any significant numbers) yet they were very popular and successful. Most men simply don't care and have no need to identify with character they play. I don't think we're going to see eye-to-eye here. I also like to play characters different from myself - I've rolled a lot of male PCs - but not everyone is like that. And a straight dude choosing to play a female character and have a lesbian relationship is really not the same. There are straight ladies in games everywhere and you can role a male character and experience a relationship that reflects you, if you want. Gay women rarely have that option. If we go by numbers of games alone, then straight males will have the lead but only because of classic RPG games. Nowdays almost every game with romance mechanics has female MC option and female LIs. I already said I will probably romance Suvi as Sara if she turns out lesbian anyway since it doesn't bother me, so believe me, the more f/f options the better for me since I get to experiance them anyway. I just don't see a problem if they're m/f option as well. I could never understand the lack of representation argument. I'm Polish, look at the amount of WW2 games where Polish soldiers are featured. There are very little of them despite the fact that Polish Armed Forces in the West were in top 5 armies on the Western Front when it came to size and participation. We were also present in Norway (Narvik), North Africa (Tobruk). Do I feel the need for every WW2 game to represent Poland because it makes sense? Not at all. One could argue that sexuality is more important to people than nationality, but believe me, my country is what I live for and there is no higher value to me than that of Poland. My signature is not empty words, I'd die for my country any day and be proud of it. To sum up - being annyoyed at lack of f/f options? Understandable by me. Being annyoyed that an f/f option is m/f option as well? Not getting it at all. Especially since if we are to take market into consideration, straight males who will probably play male character and will want to romance female character will be a vast majority once again, so you can't fault a company for adjusting to it's main audience, especially since it wouldn't affect your ability to romance Suvi as a female.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:49:36 GMT
The checklist argument then. Meh, never understood it. I always liked playersexual treatment with difference in romance depending on your sex. That way no one misses on romancing a character they like. With how few options there are compared to overall numbers of NPCs it only makes sense to me. I imagine you've never understood it because there are tons of straight dudes in every type of entertainment media. No shortage of characters to identify with. Not so much for LGBT players. I'd be okay with an all-bi LI selection, but only if they were explicitly bisexual and not subject to "situational sexuality"/ambiguous/playersexual and there were prominent lesbian and gay characters who weren't LIs. But my preference has always been a variety of all orientations. I've played as female character in many games and since I'm not attracted to men I always romance women in them so I'm de facto playing lesbian characters. I simply never had any need to "identify with" any character, be it in games or other media. If anything, I often play as characters vastly different from what I am in real life. I'm honestly yet to meet a guy who refused to play a game because you have to play as a woman, yet there are many women who refuse to play a game if they have to play as a man. I don't know why is that, but it's something to think about. Remember that Tomb Raider games came out way before girls started playing games (in any significant numbers) yet they were very popular and successful. Most men simply don't care and have no need to identify with character they play. There are quite a few games like that. Mostly Japanese ones of obvious nature though. Also some text-based games where you can set various character's genders and make it all girls show (and they're obviously into you as well). Choice of games has some games where you can set gender. Not really the same as explicitly, canonically gay characters, though. Also, I'm hoping that by "Japanese games," you're not talking about H games. Yes, I had CoG in mind when I was writing my post. As for the Japanese games, well, some of them are H and some of them aren't (they usually are though). Depends whether it's uncensored or censored version as well
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:40:19 GMT
Anyways, as a lesbian, I would love a game where everything's lesbians. There are quite a few games like that. Mostly Japanese ones of obvious nature though. Also some text-based games where you can set various character's genders and make it all girls show (and they're obviously into you as well).
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:36:54 GMT
So you'd rather others have less options even if it doesn't affect you in any way? Lol, I guess I'll never understand that point. I never cared that Leliana was bi, I only cared whether I could romance her or not. I really don't see how whether she's bi or lesbian matters, especially if her possible past romances are left untouched and there's no indication that she was ever with a man. What others are you talking about? straight gamers that self insert? tell me more how they have less options? I am not talking about sexuality only about player romance restrictions, if there are restriction to gay players, straight players should have restriction too. It is that simple. That's spiteful attitude though, no matter how you put it. You want others to be restricted only because you are. I can understand your point of view, but that doesn't change the fact that you wish others worse just because you have it worse. The correct attitude is wishing for more f/f options, not less m/f options.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:34:13 GMT
So you'd rather others have less options even if it doesn't affect you in any way? Lol, I guess I'll never understand that point. I never cared that Leliana was bi, I only cared whether I could romance her or not. I really don't see how whether she's bi or lesbian matters, especially if her possible past romances are left untouched and there's no indication that she was ever with a man. It's not to be spiteful, it's just to show that lesbians exist. >___> The checklist argument then. Meh, never understood it. I always liked playersexual treatment with difference in romance depending on your sex. That way no one misses on romancing a character they like. With how few options there are compared to overall numbers of NPCs it only makes sense to me.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:25:34 GMT
So you'd rather others have less options even if it doesn't affect you in any way? Lol, I guess I'll never understand that point. I never cared that Leliana was bi, I only cared whether I could romance her or not. I really don't see how whether she's bi or lesbian matters, especially if her possible past romances are left untouched and there's no indication that she was ever with a man.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:18:58 GMT
Screenshots from Twitch stream The lip sync in this game is seriously bad. Like, really, really bad. Scott had two flirt options with her but they didn't choose any to "avoid spoilers". Spoilers of her being a lesbian? because I sure will flip if she is into Scott at this point. Why would you? The more options people have the better. Unless you mean if she'd be only into Scott, then I understand.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 18:12:59 GMT
Screenshots from Twitch stream The lip sync in this game is seriously bad. Like, really, really bad. Scott had two flirt options with her but they didn't choose any to "avoid spoilers".
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 17:56:50 GMT
Surely this is sufficient proof that Bioware is not intentionally creating ugly females to sabotage brogamers. Suvi is conventionally attractive in every aspect, subjective I know but come on! Even straight dudes have to concede she is pretty. She's attractive, no doubt about that. She's going to be lesbian though, so the "conspiracy against brogamers" can technically still apply here. I myself don't care much since Cora is nowhere near as bad as Cassandra was and I have no problem playing female characters, so I'll romance Suvi as Sara later anyway.
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Post by readher on Mar 10, 2017 17:55:42 GMT
Even though she has a CC face she is still the best looking female in the game so far. I'd take her CC face over Sara's or Cora's modeled face any day. I'm sure there will be many guys who are angry about her being the lesbian option and Cora straight, but then again, from what I've seen lesbians are looking for butch romance as well, so wouldn't it make more sense to switch them up? That said, I don't have problems playing female characters, so I'll romance Suvi after Cora anyway. At this point I'm more afraid about the fact that there are pretty much almost always only 2 responses present. I want to be prgamatic and 100% mission oriented all the time dammit!
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