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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 15:15:48 GMT
Thanks for Vetra
And the rest of the game too but let me repeat
THANKS FOR VETRA NYX
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 14:58:39 GMT
Bi Jaal can't ruin your romance if you've always known Jaal was bi not that bisexuality should be considered ruining anything you fools :K Okay I'll try to stop and fail He had the Bi Flag all over his design. HE WAS MEANT TO BE, maybe in unconscious level but HE WAS MEANT TO BE
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 14:06:18 GMT
Not a horrible person, just one without perspective. It's very tiring to reminder this, but anyway: Dorian and Sera were the first gay companions (not squadmates) romanceable in the history of DA y ME games. Before them, there is NO GAY OR LESBIAN companions in DA1-2 nor ME1-3. We have 2 bisexuals and 2 straights 0 gay 0 lesbian in DA1, 2 bisexuals in DA2 0(or 1) straight, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. In ME1 you have 2 straights, 1 bi/asarisexual, ME2 6 straight people, 0 bisexual, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. Then in ME3 we have the first gay option for MShep but he is crewmate and as COMPANIONS 1-2 bisexuals (Liara an AliveKaidan), then 2-3 straight options (Tali, Garrus, AliveAsh), 0 gay companion, 0 lesbian companion. DAI: COMPANIONS 1 bisexual (Bull), 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 3 straight people (Black, Solas, Casandra) and as advisors 1 bisexual (Josephine) and 1 straight. MEA: COMPANIONS: before 3 straights (Cora, Liam, Jaal), 2 bisexuals (Peebee, Vetra) 0 gay 0 lesbian; now: 2 straights, 3 bisexuals 0 gay, 0 lesbians.; CREWMEMBERS: 1 gay, 1 lesbian. Even in MEA THERE IS NO GAY OR LESBIAN COMPANIONS. Don't you see it's not the same to change the small number of gay/lesbian options to bi that changing the number of straight options to bi? Do you see it's not the same to take THE ONLY GAY COMPANIONS EVER (Sera and Dorian) and make them bisexual? I will say it again: it's not about being a bad person, it's more about being selfish.
What I see is that I cannot create a FEMALE character with the same flexibility of racial choices and great plot-important lovestories with attractive characters as a MALE one in Inquisition, and that is why I prefer how the things were done in DA2, not the way they were done in Inquisition (or Andromeda).
In Inquisition, NONE of the 4 romances I would have liked to try were opened to my Female PC. NONE OUT OF FOUR because I was a FEMALE. If I were a MALE, I'd have 2/4 romances I wanted to try available to me.
I don't want this to be the case again. And I can see how it is frustrating to peeps in Andromeda when Jaal is not available for them, even though the situation is way better there for a MALE than mine was in Inquisition for a FEMALE.
I played as a female elf just to have the best number of options to be available. I wanted to be anything except an elf or human. I wanted to be a female Qunari or a female Dwarf. Yep, those race-locked rejections were the worst of the worst
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:59:14 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. Well, he was barely straight for like TWO MONTHS AND A HALF... :sure:
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:57:16 GMT
By the way: patch 8? WHEN patch 7 happenned? What else did I miss??
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:55:31 GMT
Maybe I just don't get it, but making Jaal bi helped gay players with things besides romancing him, and Sara's romance is still amazing, so why is this so bad? Everyone gets Jaal and it seems the romances will be slightly different and not a copy and paste either, so Sara's story with him is still hers. If people have to be "considerate" that gay romances must be able to get their 3 romance achievement with gay romances only it sure would be "considate" that a straight female up front knows if she is romancing a Swiss army knife and has a choice to decline. I am sure our future todlers will be total adjusted to all posibilities and will have the small difficulty knowing to present their front or rear end but until then, yes, my vastly dwindling free choice is also important. Please, tell me you haven't just compared bisexual people with Swiss Army knives. Wait, that is strangely empowering.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:47:43 GMT
I think you are overreacting. If you use Anders as an example, you should pointed out Sebastian, the only love interest in DA2 who was explicitly straight was for women. Cullen and Blackwall were explicitly straight also (for women). Cullen's case is especially interesting because he was added later in the process stage. MET? Yep, straight women were screwed (only two companions LI present in the three games: one of them could be possibly dead and abstent in the second game, the other one wasn't romanceable in the first game and possibly not romanceable in the thrird). The same way Lesbian women were screwed (only one companion, Liara, and one crewmate by the time of ME3). Or Gay man (only ONE squadmate by ME3, one who could be possibly dead and one crewmate. NO OTHER CHOICE from ME1 to ME2!). The only one player benefited by the system was the straight male Shepard. Moral of the story? Let your character be bisexual, DOUBLE OF POSSIBILITIES!!! Also, some people discover their sexuality later in their lives. Some bisexuals, for example, don't know they can be attracted to the same sex until it happens some way or another and they are not necessarily attracted 50/50 to the two sexes. Cullen was not for ALL women. Qunari and Dwarves were left out. But both LIs for a straight male, added later were locked out for 50 to 75% of the races. All LIs that were address to the male PC did not shun ANY race.
Sebastian is a part of a PAID DLC. All LIs for a male came free with the game.
Attempting to even suggest that it would have nice to make Dorian bi nets you a suspicion of being a horrible horrible person, but Kaiden and Jaal opened to a male PC is fine. I am perfectly fine with it, but I wish we did not have a double-standard.
Not a horrible person, just one without perspective. It's very tiring to reminder this, but anyway: Dorian and Sera were the first gay companions (not squadmates) romanceable in the history of DA y ME games. Before them, there is NO GAY OR LESBIAN companions in DA1-2 nor ME1-3. We have 2 bisexuals and 2 straights 0 gay 0 lesbian in DA1, 2 bisexuals in DA2 0(or 1) straight, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. In ME1 you have 2 straights, 1 bi/asarisexual, ME2 6 straight people, 0 bisexual, 0 lesbian, 0 gay. Then in ME3 we have the first gay option for MShep but he is crewmate and as COMPANIONS 1-2 bisexuals (Liara an AliveKaidan), then 2-3 straight options (Tali, Garrus, AliveAsh), 0 gay companion, 0 lesbian companion. DAI: COMPANIONS 1 bisexual (Bull), 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 3 straight people (Black, Solas, Casandra) and as advisors 1 bisexual (Josephine) and 1 straight. MEA: COMPANIONS: before 3 straights (Cora, Liam, Jaal), 2 bisexuals (Peebee, Vetra) 0 gay 0 lesbian; now: 2 straights, 3 bisexuals 0 gay, 0 lesbians.; CREWMEMBERS: 1 gay, 1 lesbian. Even in MEA THERE IS NO GAY OR LESBIAN COMPANIONS. Don't you see it's not the same to change the small number of gay/lesbian options to bi that changing the number of straight options to bi? Do you see it's not the same to take THE ONLY GAY COMPANIONS EVER (Sera and Dorian) and make them bisexual? I will say it again: it's not about being a bad person, it's more about being selfish.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 13:31:55 GMT
Also Vetra is a pretty popular romance, right? RIGHT??? SHE BRINGS ME LIFE GODDAMNIT!!!!
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 12:39:42 GMT
Not the case. Vetra was changed on the development stage or even before she was written. And you know about it from her writer. In the game she was bi from the start, while Kaidan and now Jaal (I can also throw Anders here) suddenly changed orientation to cater demands of some gamers. My statement remains true - only women LIs in BW games are treated as undefined stock characters for hot-fixes of all screw-ups developers allow themselves.But... Jaal is still an LI for straight women. He just became one for gay/bi men too. That's what I meant by "you're not losing anything". It's not like he isn't into women anymore. See above. He was made not even "player-sexual" but explicitly "bi". Sure, we can still romance him, but as it was said many times - "bi" is orientation of itself. Should it be from the start - I would not care, but they simply did what they always do exclusively with women's LIs - change on a whim to cater someone else interests. I think you are overreacting. If you use Anders as an example, you should pointed out Sebastian, the only love interest in DA2 who was explicitly straight was for women. Cullen and Blackwall were explicitly straight also (for women). Cullen's case is especially interesting because he was added later in the process stage. MET? Yep, straight women were screwed (only two companions LI present in the three games: one of them could be possibly dead and abstent in the second game, the other one wasn't romanceable in the first game and possibly not romanceable in the thrird). The same way Lesbian women were screwed (only one companion, Liara, and one crewmate by the time of ME3). Or Gay man (only ONE squadmate by ME3, one who could be possibly dead and one crewmate. NO OTHER CHOICE from ME1 to ME2!). The only one player benefited by the system was the straight male Shepard. Moral of the story? Let your character be bisexual, DOUBLE OF POSSIBILITIES!!! Also, some people discover their sexuality later in their lives. Some bisexuals, for example, don't know they can be attracted to the same sex until it happens some way or another and they are not necessarily attracted 50/50 to the two sexes.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 11:27:59 GMT
I actually agree with you about the retcons and that making Jaal bi instead of adding content to the actual M/M romances is a cheap cop-out, but how were you mistreated as a straight woman? Making Jaal bi isn't making him gay. You aren't losing anything. I though I explained - it's second time when they retconed a straight women LI into bi. Do you remember a single case where gay character was turned into bi? Any case when male-gamers LI was turned bi? Yet, girls-gamers LIs are treated as a pool of amorphous spare parts that can be changed at whim of any other part of the audience and not once women opinions on the matter was considered. Oh, and yes, always with that explanation - oh, come on, don't be greedy, sure you can share, you are not losing anything here. Vetra THANK THE GODDESS
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 10:11:38 GMT
It worries me the whole idea of "jaal is not going to be the same" from some women implying a bisexual man can "taint" their love. Wouldn't be fuckup if we had judged Jaal for having so many girlfriends and sexual partners before you? Wouldn't be fuckup if Jaal had judged you for having an affair with Peebee, Reyes and that reporter BEFORE him? It worries me because this is heavily connected with real life. Past sexual experiences with other people are only that: past experiences. Straight, bi or gay. The relationship is only you and him/her, don't put more people into your bed out of nowhere (unless both of you like that kind of thing). Oh, and my message to some straight girls preocupied with this, in game playing Sara you can simply pretend it's not there. But think about it, you are missing the point: NOW YOU HAVE MORE THINGS IN COMMON WITH JAAL!!!! For me, I just don't like any characters can be changed willy nilly. In real life, I ` ve been with both genders so I would know how awful it is to be judged like that. It is jut that I am annoyed with Biowares inconsistency sometimes. My Ryder loves Jaal more than herself so she would never care about past experiences or whatever. Tbh, bisexual Angara makes more sense lorewise because of their expresssiveness and the feelings. But now, if he says anything about guys it will seem like he hid it from her.Where in my canon, Jaal was an open book. Ladyconsular and company are thinking that maybe they will play the card of Jaal not having same sex previous experiences before Scott. This way they could avoid a AndersxKarl scenario when you as Female Hawke didn't know Anders and Karl were more than friends if you romance him meanwhile romancing him as MaleHawke Anders tells you.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 9:59:53 GMT
The thing is that: - Yes, m/m gay romances had less content than the ones for females players - BUT we should not forget that the female gamers (especially the straight ones) also had way less content than straight male gamers (remember ME3, straight female gamers could end up with NO romance just like me, who romanced Thane before, was locked with him/Kaidan could die in ME1 so yes, we could end up with absolutly NOTHING) so both gay AND straight females always had less options than straight males, so instead of fighting each other, let's fight together for more options for both straight women AND gay/bi people. - I'm glad that gay/bi gamers can enjoy Jaal now, you'll see, he's fantastic! - I can also understand some straight females who see the magic broken somewhere because, in opposition to Shepard who was either female or male, Scott Ryder AND Sara Ryder both exist in this story, at the same time. It means that the fairytale of the alien who says that Sara is his soulmate, came from another galaxy and luck and fate made them meet and fall in love, sounded romantic and like "it's you and only you, no one could have taken your place" (Jaal seems to have resisted the seduction attempts of all the other Angaras, and doesn't even end up with Peebee) but NOW in fact, they rewrite that in a way meaning "hey in fact, Sara would be the one in the coma, Jaal would have fallen in love with her brother instead". Story-wise is breaks the magic of the "unique soulmate".And I would have reacted the same way if Jaal was only m/m gay for example and said that Scott was his soulmate, and suddenly he's available for Sara and you realize that if Scott had stayed in the Hyperion, Jaal would have gone for Sara instead. It would break the magic of the "unique soulmate". I would feel the same if an unromanced Jaal would have ended up with Peebee or another person, it would be less romantic than the soulmate story. This is roleplay/story-wise. It has nothing to do with being bi or not (to bi or not to bi ) For gaming experience I totally understand that he is proposed for a new and cool experience for players who want m/m romance, and I'm happy for the people who will do that, especially if there is new content, that's cool. See? This point is very interesting because I experienced something like this with MY FREAKING LOVE VETRA YOU ARE THE LOVE OF MY ANDROMEDA MARRY ME YOU BEAUTIFUL AND FUNNY AND SEXY HANNAH SOLO TURIAN GIRL (sorry, sometimes I get excited). However, the solution was so easy as not playing Vetra romance with Scott. I simply couldn't. Vetra will be always for Sara. Period. So if you are a SaraXJaal, you don't need to pursue Jaal as Scott if you feel that is not right. But the fact it does exist it's not taking anything from you because in the end you are the one who is choosing how the story plays. The fact you as straight girl can pursue Liam doesn't mean Liam is into you. Only if you pursue him. The same way with Jaal. The only exception is Peebee who can flirt with you regardless, but that is her charm and you can politely turn her down.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 9:52:30 GMT
Feel free to PM me tho. Would love to see more eps of your ff, or if you want to talk about Garrus, your love for turians or whatever dude, just do it! Can we, like, have a little Garrus and Kandros thirst PM please??? ME TOO!
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 9:32:11 GMT
It worries me the whole idea of "jaal is not going to be the same" from some women implying a bisexual man can "taint" their love. Wouldn't be fuckup if we had judged Jaal for having so many girlfriends and sexual partners before you? Wouldn't be fuckup if Jaal had judged you for having an affair with Peebee, Reyes and that reporter BEFORE him? It worries me because this is heavily connected with real life. Past sexual experiences with other people are only that: past experiences. Straight, bi or gay. The relationship is only you and him/her, don't put more people into your bed out of nowhere (unless both of you like that kind of thing). Oh, and my message to some straight girls preocupied with this, in game playing Sara you can simply pretend it's not there. But think about it, you are missing the point: NOW YOU HAVE MORE THINGS IN COMMON WITH JAAL!!!!
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 23:51:39 GMT
way to make an entrance lmao Eh... that's normal in this thread haha
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 23:38:40 GMT
You don't get it. Liam sucks ass, probably literally considering the scene he was in with Jaal who is now bi so really we can't count Liam, he is a lousy Jacob clone. Funny, I thought he was one of the better written character arcs overall, although I have no idea how his romance goes. The only good romance in the game was Vetra so far anyway, as it felt like a real romantic connection. Everytime I heard "Vetra" my heart stops, my eyes are fueled by love, Vetra is one of the best romance options of the universe. (thank the Reapers she doesn't share universe with Garrus and I don't have to chose )
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 22:32:44 GMT
I wonder if Sahuna's email will change to questioning how Scott feels about adopting oh, say, 10 children in the future. To start. Now I'm almost tempted to do a Scott playthrough. Almost. Not quite. I also can't wait to see the cc changes! I'm not expecting much but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm totally tempted. I'm not totally re playing the game right now as Scott only because the patch is not there yet. I'm so intrigued by Jaal romance... I couldn't with Sara because Sara was Vetra-ed by minute one. Now I'm gonna scott out the hell of Jaal By the way... I missed you SO MUCH, people...
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:39:19 GMT
This one doesn't like yaoi. I play games as I write my books: I have a canon. Particulary, I have my own SaraXVetra canon which I can't break (the same way I couldn't break my ShepXGarrus canon, NO, IT'S NOT A TURIAN THING... not totally ). From moment one Jaal was too much for my Sara. Too intense, too pasional. It didn't work. Vetra was a better balance. With Scott? I love Reyes, especially when he breaks all my Ryders' hearts Apart from him, I didn't find any option appealing. Cora seems like the typical love interest in a Sci-Fi movie, I like Peebee but I didn't see it worked with my Scott. I can't steal my own sister's girlfriend and Gil is OK, but I didn't feel connection. My Scott is rational, by the book kind of guy, sympathetic but difficult to loosen up a little. Jaal is the perfect balance for him, hell yes. I can play with that SO FINALLY I WILL SEE WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT WITH FREAKING JAAL!!! I was joking. My interface has not being implemented with a joke patch yet
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:35:23 GMT
OMG YES YES! YESSS!!!!YEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!Now I feel excited again!!!! Scott, now is your time. Now it's your turn to be unfrozen first! now this person.....this person seems to really like yaoi.....Free must be there favorite anime. This one doesn't like yaoi. I play games as I write my books: I have a canon. Particulary, I have my own SaraXVetra canon which I can't break (the same way I couldn't break my ShepXGarrus canon, NO, IT'S NOT A TURIAN THING... not totally ). From moment one Jaal was too much for my Sara. Too intense, too pasional. It didn't work. Vetra was a better balance. With Scott? I love Reyes, especially when he breaks all my Ryders' hearts Apart from him, I didn't find any option appealing. Cora seems like the typical love interest in a Sci-Fi movie, I like Peebee but I didn't see it worked with my Scott. I can't steal my own sister's girlfriend and Gil is OK, but I didn't feel connection. My Scott is rational, by the book kind of guy, sympathetic but difficult to loosen up a little. Jaal is the perfect balance for him, hell yes. I can play with that SO FINALLY I WILL SEE WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT WITH FREAKING JAAL!!!
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:22:14 GMT
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:19:48 GMT
I'm out of my element there. I never use it myself. Hmm, I know. Summon hashtag master dalinne Come give us a hand with this, please. We need a good twitter hashtag for the feedback thread once you're on. Sorry I'm late to the party, people. I didn't feel like coming back with all Andromeda-gate. Now I'm back to say a big THANK YOU. All of you, thank you so much for your resilence, for your perseverance, for everything. I'm so happy so so so HAPPY!!! #BetterJaalThanEver #ScottFinallyIWillUnfrozeYouFirst
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:14:44 GMT
OMG YES YES! YESSS!!!!YEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!Now I feel excited again!!!! Scott, now is your time. Now it's your turn to be unfrozen first!
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 23:00:58 GMT
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 22:59:19 GMT
Well, people, I'm gonna dissapear until I end the game. Lot of love (I should go )
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