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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 22:35:41 GMT
Pretty much what other book readers have said, the book won't spoil anything game wise at all really, just colour your thoughts and views of a few Nexus characters and Sloane etc. The perfect place to read it is pretty much where I did, post early access. So you've been up to the Nexus and have talked to everyone there and all, so you can form your own opinion on things before you read the book and get all the background detail. Keeps it more even I think. Sloane will be the most interesting one though, really looking forward to meeting her. I don't know what happenned and I didn't start the game after 10 h trial but since the SAM description of Sloane in the gameplay video I got the impression Sloane is not and opportunist who wanted to size power. I eager to read the book. EDIT:
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 21:47:42 GMT
I remember how we all assume that Jaal bisexual has to happen even when there is no voice clip because Bioware wouldn't be stupid enough to include no squad romance and only a character creation gay NPC and a fling. lol, I think we had too much faith in team Mass Effect. XD I personally think we just underestimated their ability to make shitty and incomprehensible decisions and not give a fuck about their fans lmao Oh, a week ago We were so young and naive...
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 20:56:28 GMT
Yea, after Sara's trailer, I'm telling you... ( :sob: ) 2h 8min Oh izut...
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 20:54:15 GMT
Well, Bioware, as a consumer I tell you I will buy your next game AFTER you release Sara's trailer I'M ONLY HUUUUUMAAAAN AFTER ALL DON'T PUT YOUR BLAME ON MEEEEEEE
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
So, if I'm interpreting those tweets right, we shouldn't expect to hear anything from the devs until the 23rd/24th at very earliest. Hopefully it isn't an attempt to wait for this to blow over, but I'm keeping my expectations as low as possible. Yea, after Sara's trailer, I'm telling you... ( :sob: )
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 20:33:23 GMT
I thought this was a Sara's trailer thread
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 20:28:20 GMT
I don't know, put yourself in his shoes: maybe it's not about keep in good terms with the company. Maybe he is trying to show how he felt at that moment. Have you read his post? Now we can debate any piece of information. Now we can compare romances with videos, analysis and stuff. Biofan didn't have that when he played. He simply played and really loved the stuff. In comparision with other games, he could easily thought Gil romance was pretty similar to Fem/Kaidan Fem/Male/Liara Male/Ash etc back in the trilogy. So he didn't necessarily thought he was in the disadvantage team. Then all this info comes out and he finds in the strange position to see himself trying to defend why he loved so much the love triangle when Reyes and Gil are not as developed as romances as Cora, Peebee, Jaal I don't try to play Devil's advocate, just Tom, Biofan, Ashes... I think all of them are good people and we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Painting Biofan as an opportunist is kinda of unfair in my opinion. People who let you down are pretty consistent with that I wholeheartedly agree with your line of thoughts Problem is, he was here yesterday. He's the one who told us that Gil and Reyes don't reference each other even if you are in a relationship with both. We replied him with our frustration, and receipts of gay romances being significantly lacking in content comparing to other orientations. So, no. He DOES know, but he chose not to address it, I don't want to say more about this. Yea, you are right he is aware of that. Probably is the clickbait effect: it sells better to his followers outside the forum to talk about love triangles (because sex sells) rather to acknowledge this controversy in the forum. However, people are complex: there is people who feels comfortable with controversy and complicated topics to address, other people don't feel comfortable with conflicts and arguments. That doesn't make them necessarily opportunists or dishonest. Maybe he needs time to analyze this situation for himself. It really took me time to realize Bioware is not that great with representation as I thought. If I met people working in the company, I called some of them by the first name, I had a great time playing a new game nobody else played yet and I found myself I could romance two characters at the same time... the situation would be very complex for me. That doesn't mean the "future colaboration" interests are not there, but also there are more things for "me" to realize: the game I played could have been better if it was created especifically to catter me as straight people, some devs I met I considered allies have to improve his thoughts about inclusion, etc. etc. etc. But again, I'm not Biofan (Am I not? nah, joking) so only he can know his reasons. Also I should be downloading the game in less than a hour FINALLY
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 20:07:17 GMT
I don't know, put yourself in his shoes: maybe it's not about keep in good terms with the company. Maybe he is trying to show how he felt at that moment. Have you read his post? Now we can debate any piece of information. Now we can compare romances with videos, analysis and stuff. Biofan didn't have that when he played. He simply played and really loved the stuff. In comparision with other games, he could easily thought Gil romance was pretty similar to Fem/Kaidan Fem/Male/Liara Male/Ash etc back in the trilogy. So he didn't necessarily thought he was in the disadvantage team. Then all this info comes out and he finds in the strange position to see himself trying to defend why he loved so much the love triangle when Reyes and Gil are not as developed as romances as Cora, Peebee, Jaal I don't try to play Devil's advocate, just Tom, Biofan, Ashes... I think all of them are good people and we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Painting Biofan as an opportunist is kinda of unfair in my opinion. People who let you down are pretty consistent with that Smart words, but I think in regards to being in a love triangle with Gil and Reyes... that, I think, is supposed to be a bug rather than a real thing. So trying to put a positive spin on a possible bug, yeah, lol, idk. I can't really harbor any ill will towards people who can't really freely criticize something that obviously needs criticizing, but it could hurt their career and career possibilities. Oh yea, it's clearly a bug. Maybe he said it was a love triangle because "sells better" than a "great bug puts me in polyamori relationship" but when I read it I read as a "comeback" to that tweet when he couldn't be explicit. Everyone has reasons, more pure or more shady, and you have all the right to suspect the real reasons behind anyone's words. However, I'm more inclined to put all my frustration on the one (or the group) of devs who decided to sacrifice m/m content. I don't want scapegoats, I want THE REAL DECISION-MAKERS HEADS to know the truth
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 19:53:53 GMT
I know, like... I really like Biofan, and his videos, and he seems like a decent person so I'm not attacking him or anything, but like... you can't just praise BW for being LGBT inclusive after they've fucked specifically you over, rather than any other demographic? Like, quite thoroughly? Their gay male fanbase was so obviously ignored and they got only scraps - compared to every other demographic, I mean we all know how much work went into Cora's and Peebee's romance scenes. He, as someone who knows people working at BW and is friendly with them, actually has a voice. Instead of defending BW's shitty "inclusivity" he could be criticizing them, politely and kindly of course, and maybe they would actually listen to him. Like, where's your integrity, man He's probably afraid of it effecting his early access shit and stuff. I don't know, put yourself in his shoes: maybe it's not about keep in good terms with the company. Maybe he is trying to show how he felt at that moment. Have you read his post? Now we can debate any piece of information. Now we can compare romances with videos, analysis and stuff. Biofan didn't have that when he played. He simply played and really loved the stuff. In comparision with other games, he could easily thought Gil romance was pretty similar to Fem/Kaidan Fem/Male/Liara Male/Ash etc back in the trilogy. So he didn't necessarily thought he was in the disadvantage team. Then all this info comes out and he finds in the strange position to see himself trying to defend why he loved so much the love triangle when Reyes and Gil are not as developed as romances as Cora, Peebee, Jaal I don't try to play Devil's advocate, just Tom, Biofan, Ashes... I think all of them are good people and we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Painting Biofan as an opportunist is kinda of unfair in my opinion. People who let you down are pretty consistent with that
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 19:45:10 GMT
I would have bet my first born with Bi Jaal. I can't blame his voice actor (who recorded those romance lines) thought the same. Come on! Almost everybody were convinced Jaal wasn't straight! The point is that we're fans - he's one of the faces of the company as a lead VA and has a position of responsibility as a result. A responsibility to be circumspect in what he does. Although I understand your point, I respectfully disagree. Tom is not one of the faces of the company: he is just a VA. He has no decision power and if he has not been informed. He is one of the team has acted more human, more sympathetic and more interested in every fan. I think is not fair to put the queerbaiting on him just because we are frustrated. I think (maybe I'm not corrected) it's necessary the person who queerbaits know they are queerbaiting. I understand your point now in retrospective he shouldn't say anything in one way or another if he didn't know the final result. But remember: those days we were begging with any kind of interaction. Tom instead of say a "more soon" really interacted with everyone. I genually think he didn't know and he had only good intentions but only Tom can know that I'm afraid.
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 19:37:32 GMT
You don't understand. Devs WILL acknowledge this issue... ...after Sara's trailer is out 3h 35min It doesn't count if YOU make the trailer with your own Ryder!
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 19:16:06 GMT
For all tom knows he voiced all the lines and thought jaal was a option for scott, hes not a dev so if they cut it he woulsnt know I think the point is if he wasn't certain he shouldn't have replied. It takes literally no energy at all to not reply to someone or to not click the heart button on their tweet. Tom was specifically asked that surely he wouldn't queerbait, and he liked that tweet. Then he replied to it with a smiley face. We can be certain he hadn't been told "Yes, Jaal is bisexual." Because Jaal isn't bisexual. So he had no confirmation either way (which is the most generous reading - I don't even want to consider that he did know Jaal was straight so I'm not going to think that), and in such a situation it was a mistake for him to reply at all, to a question that very specifically asked about queerbaiting of all things. This isn't about hunting the guy down and making him feel our wrath. But even the best of people screw up sometimes. And it's absolutely right that screw ups not be ignored, because otherwise how do people grow and get better? How do future screw ups get avoided? Tom seems like a really great guy and from everything I've seen and heard of him in the run up to the release I like him a lot. I don't want to see him attacked in any way at all. But recognising a fuck up isn't about attacking someone. It's about recognising a fuck up. I would have bet my first born with Bi Jaal. I can't blame his voice actor (who recorded those romance lines) thought the same. Come on! Almost everybody were convinced Jaal wasn't straight!
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 19:10:10 GMT
You don't understand. Devs WILL acknowledge this issue... ...after Sara's trailer is out
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 17:39:55 GMT
I hope "Sara's trailer" will become a new slang like "never ever". Like: Ey, Do you wanna go to this place? Oh definetely, when Sara's trailer is out (translation: NEVER)
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 17:31:57 GMT
Mass Effect @masseffectWhat kind of planet could serve as humanity's Golden World? Find out in our new @esa video! I can't believe they didn't release Sara's trailer
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 11:20:41 GMT
Day two: Surprisingly I'm still alive However, there is no Sara's trailer. Also I'm in Europe so I didn't play the game yet so it's day -1 or something *Laughs in VPN* #KeepUpDalinne#MEA#WaitingForSomethingGood#PCmusterrace#HashtagsEverywere I'M NOT IN A HASHTAG MOOD, HAMMERSTORM! .... Who am I kidding??? #WhereIsMySaraTann #AllAroundMeAreMilkyWaySpecies #IWantToBePathfinderAlready
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 11:13:07 GMT
I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I want to hear their thought process behind Gil's romance. I really want to know why they felt that this would be a good idea. I'd like to know how they came to the point when they thought, "Let's give them a kid." In my opinion, it seems like they are trying to help convey the idea that gay people can be good parents too. ME3 showed us that gay people can be married with no stigma, so I suspect this is a natural progression of the idea. So I can guess what they were trying to do, but I don't feel it was a great call. I'm mixed on the whole "the PC becoming a parent when the galaxy is at stake" idea anyhow. If they start off as a parent, then that's one thing. Making it a part of the romance isn't sitting well. I know that's just me and my hangup. The thing is, I've been imagining if they had done this with say, Scott and Cora. Made it to where a baby was a mandatory part of the romance. I have a feeling that the blowback would be a lot stronger than anything that's come out of the LGBT+ decisions so far with ME:A. It would have been different if while you are playing a side quest you find an orphan kid whose parents have been killed by the kett. The kid loves you. You sent the kid to the Nexus and later talking to Gil about that you have the option to tell him if you wanna to adopt him/her.
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 10:45:14 GMT
Day two: Surprisingly I'm still alive However, there is no Sara's trailer. Also I'm in Europe so I didn't play the game yet so it's day -1 or something
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 0:45:22 GMT
Ok gotta admit something. I made a huge mistake, logged into my tumblr acc and my dash was full of Jaal stuff (and Vetra) and... gosh, I may end up romancing him I was so worried none of the romances will be my cuppa tea since Cora turned out straight, but it looks like I might be able to romance 4 to 6 different characters (and only 1 by Scott which is a good scenario since I prefer to play as a female) Doesn't change the fact I want my bi-Cora too but at least she has a great bromance with Sara -> they remind me so of Ash and fShep so muchIs it 23rd yet?! Oh, and where the hell is my Sara trailer, BW? W-h-e-r-e?!THE CAKE Sara's trailer IS A LIE! You silly
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Post by dalinne on Mar 22, 2017 0:08:14 GMT
SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT BEAUTY AND THE BEAST AT SOME POINT?????
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Post by dalinne on Mar 21, 2017 22:39:30 GMT
I'm glad I'm not the only one finding the situation incredible funny I mean... this Jaal situation deserves a title. Jaal Effect, Jaal Deffect, The Schröndinger Angara... or the Angara Cycle: when you think it's finished and you can move on, something new happens and all starts again. Fucking Jaal... more a troll than ever Javik was
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Post by dalinne on Mar 21, 2017 22:29:58 GMT
Waiting for this game to launch for me on Thursday I decided to finally play Fallout 4 and Danse is indeed top husband, Jaal could never... literally. Hancock 4life
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Post by dalinne on Mar 21, 2017 22:23:57 GMT
Jaal just refuses to be straight lmao Bioware: So... let's make this guy straight Jaal: No homo? Bioware: No homo. Jaal: No sex Bioware: What? No, no, just no homo Jaal: Yes homo or no sex Bioware: No, you like women Jaal: No sex Bioware: Yes sex! Just no homo sex Jaal: No This will be an important moment in Bioware history, known as That One Time BW didn't give a character any gender checks and somehow still managed to lock him for both male and female players. 10/10 would pre-order again HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA I'm in love again with Jaal now His character has developed life on his own He is at strike He has realized he is straight and he has his own ideas... JAAL to Bioware like:
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Post by dalinne on Mar 21, 2017 13:39:42 GMT
MEA Twitter Thread (Date in Andromeda: 1 Day) I'm still alive. I barely know how
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Post by dalinne on Mar 21, 2017 11:39:24 GMT
Biowar There is still the beautiful Mass Effect trilogy. For me it cannot be tarnished, its given me things no other game has. And I am sure I will be singing the praises of Dragon Age soon. But yes... this feels like a betrayal lol. I've actually seen several comparisons between Andromeda and the Star Wars prequels lol Amen . When I put myself in the worst case scenario with this game (in retrospective: a very positive case scenario) I repeated to myself that: if the worst happens, nobody can tarnish my love for ME1-2-3. The analogy with Star Wars is great but... prequels? what prequels?
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