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Post by Dirk on Dec 10, 2018 4:15:44 GMT
Considering Mae's dream in the Fade i would guess she is only into men. As with any character, I never assume unless they or the devs tell us outright. 👀 Great point! It's the same case with Anders where he was shown to be attracted to female characters in a previous game. Anders is one of my favorite m/m romance in Dragon Age games! So, I personally see zero problems if she turns out to be bi.
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Post by Dirk on Dec 9, 2018 12:35:13 GMT
I personally prefer having important characters bi for the fairness sake, though I still want to see important gay or lesbian characters as well. Such a tough choice sometimes about what I want haha. I'm torn really. The flexibility in DA2 is nice, other than the dour Scot you can have anyone, regardless of race or gender. Just pick a personality. On the other hand I appreciate a deeper type of romance where preference and gender play a part, for example Dorian's story. On the other other hand I like how Sera never mentions anything (if not romanced), as her preferences have nothing to do with her personality at all. I've never had an issue adjusting my character to fit what my LI likes, I'll be a gay guy for Dorian no problem, so I think my preference is characters having a set sexuality that occasionally plays a part in their story. As for the rest of it, good writing will always trump everything, so any sniggers or insults thrown at a LGBTQ character will somewhat dissolve away if they're awesome. If they're a cookie cutter trope, not so much. For me as a gay guy myself, I never find Dorian romance to deep or engaging (rather I find it problematic but that's a topic for another day), so I personally am against having preference playing an important role into the romance. And we are quite opposite in terms of adjustment, I don't really find playing non-gay guy very appealing. But as you said, good writing will cure pretty much every concern. And I think it is important that there are more than a few LGBTQ characters, so that some of them can have their preferences come into the play, and some do not. That way, we all have what we want.
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Post by Dirk on Dec 9, 2018 10:08:25 GMT
Mae has a dead husband - hopefully that doesn't make her too tropey, as I'd like to romance her. Letting her be bi would be the best! I personally prefer having important characters bi for the fairness sake, though I still want to see important gay or lesbian characters as well. Such a tough choice sometimes about what I want haha.
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Post by Dirk on Dec 9, 2018 7:55:00 GMT
Bioware definitely needs to improve lgbtq+ representation in both quality and quantities. I appreciate their previous inclusions but much works needs to be done. lgbtq+ representations in Bioware games tend to follow certain tropes, so I would like to see they diversify lgbtq+ characters and put them into important roles! To that end, having Maevaris playing important role like a companion or an adviser is a good idea that I totally support. And I hope that her character is treated with respect.
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Post by Dirk on Sept 1, 2018 23:46:05 GMT
So who has a new hot take on ME:A's romances? I don't. Jaal is a bottom.
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Post by Dirk on Jan 3, 2018 16:27:45 GMT
I just have to laugh. The idea of asking him this in front of his father is so weird to me. It just seems so wildly inappropriate for how I think of such questions. I can see asking him later on, at some other time, but not just then! Same if the Inquisitor picks the "I'll need you to explain that." option. In the middle of that dramatic scene with Halward you suddenly get: Dorian: Did I stutter? Men, and the company thereof. As in sex. Surely you've heard of it. Inquisitor: I've more than heard of it, actually. Dorian: No! The Herald of Andraste? I am shocked and scandalized. Inquisitor: Such sarcasm. Dorian: You're not exactly subtle, oh Lord Inquisitor. Now I'm trying to think how they'll write that verse of the Chant. Halward has to break into their flirty dialogue to get the fight back on track. Oh yes, this is one of my favorite conversations that I missed in my first playthrough. Apart from being funny, it is one of the few times in the game that lets me express my sexuality. I hope there are more conversation options like this in the next game.
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Post by Dirk on Sept 21, 2017 3:28:35 GMT
Just figured I should point out how the "accepting" bi jaalmancers are some of the most intolerant people I've yet seen against anyone who dared pint out their childish attitudes. But keep acting like people hate bi Jaalmancers because of bigotry instead of the fact that they act like intolerant children First of all, if there was ever any doubt beforehand, this post makes it undeniably obvious that you've never faced intolerance ever in your entire life. LadyConsular (your precious friend whose name you can't even spell) was a two-faced, passive-aggressive lying snake who pretended to support LGBT gamers while openly insulting them in other parts of the forum, and then threw a tantrum every time someone showed her the receipts. You want to talk about childish behavior, I think it's pretty fucking childish to delete your account "FOREVAR" every time you get caught lying, only to return mere hours later with a new account, acting like you did nothing wrong and nobody will recognize you. Ohh I still have those receipts from her, including her legendary
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Post by Dirk on Sept 21, 2017 2:03:23 GMT
I have been summoned.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 4:17:49 GMT
Just wanted to say I really adore having dhalion and caladrius back! I'm honored to be quoted in this instance for sure too! Yes we have been asking constantly for ages for gay characters that are important well rounded characters where the fact that they are gay is the least important part of who they are. It's great for them to flirt openly with the male protag or have a husband or whatever that they talk about-but we don't want them to be like "My dad tried to stab me cause I'm too gay to function" "Blood magic the gay away" "Too gay to procreate!" Only one of those scenarios is not actually been used in a BioWare Game. God I hope they don't use that one that isn't as inspiration for the next gay romance. (I was undecided to meme this guy or the super Mac.)
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 2:46:52 GMT
Oh well I am not going to respond to that. But I guess I need to reiterate again how I would love to see representation of gay characters happen. I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay. This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same. So seriously I am dumbfound where the claim that I would like a story "revolve around a character's sexuality" comes from.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 2:26:24 GMT
dhalion welcome back to the mess that is BSN! I miss your last display name (and @lee80 's as well hehe). Anyways here's a complimentary bird video:
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Post by Dirk on Aug 6, 2017 0:21:05 GMT
Oh well I guess that settles it. That's why sometimes I regret giving people benefits of doubt.
Anyway, it is unfortunate that there are rarely any major lgbt characters in video games because of the assumption that they would make straight/cis people uncomfortable (how accurate the assumption is is debatable).
This is why I praise Bioware for having major and plot-importance bi characters like Liara and Anders. I know it is a low risk or a baby-step move, but it is more than what most other AA publishers have done. But I would love to see Bioware go above and beyond this in DA4. At least I hope both Dorian and Maevaris play an important role in DA4. I doubt that either of them would be romanceable though.
For the next ME:A game, I doubt Bioware will make either Gil or Avitus have more important role. I guess my hope is with Jaal, Reyes, and possible other characters whose sexuality is not identified yet. Yes, I am looking at you, Kandros and Evfra.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 5, 2017 23:12:22 GMT
Yeah, i dont see anything wrong with a Jaal/MRyder/Liam threesome. In fact, we'll take it! Thanks for the suggestion mannyray , you're very good at gay scenarios aren't you? Got any more gay content ideas? We still need more. You've made up your mind that I'm anti-LGBT because I don't think the game should have to revolve around sexuality morality plays. In answer to your question, how about The archon rapes Scott Ryder at the end of the game, and they realize that the sheer amount of ecstacy they shared compels them to stop fighting and peace is achieved? If that's not "Gay is awesome" I don't know what is
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Post by Dirk on Aug 5, 2017 21:51:25 GMT
I think you might misunderstand my post. There are openly straight characters in Mass Effect games, so I simply ask for openly gay characters. There are plot-importance straight characters in ME games, and so I ask for the same for gay characters. Though I must admit having Jaal catch Ryder making out with Liam would be awesome. My sexy time with Liam would now turn into threesome! And nope, no rainbow tee shirts. No one is wearing anything during this cultural exchange! Well, from his post it seems like he has a problem with openly gay characters. But yes, I'm sure it's a misunderstanding and he's about to come and clear up the issue... I assume that he has a good intention and that it is just a misunderstand for now. He is not on my list of trolls, homophobes, and fake allies on BSN, so I give him a benefit of doubt. But you know me, I am actually serious about Jaal/MRyder/Liam threesome. It was what I wanted before romance options were revealed. I think I posted about this on the romance thread 1000 pages ago lol. I had way too high expectation on ME:A romance.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 5, 2017 21:33:56 GMT
I would love that these gay characters should be openly gay as well. What I don't want to see is when a character is queer-coded and then revealed by devs in an interviewed that he is gay, but it is not clear from the game that he is gay. I generally don't count that as a valid or good representation. Oh and I want a major gay major character too. I am talking about Liara level of plot importance! Ok I guess I need to wake up. Maybe if they had Jaal caught by Ryder making out with Liam in the restroom while both were wearing rainbow tee shirts that would level the scales? I think the whole point of being fair to alternative sexualities is that being gay or lesbian or straight shouldn't matter when we all come together for a common purpose. Settling in Andromeda should be a great milieu for that type of lesson, but some I do see it's simply not good enough. I think you might misunderstand my post. There are openly straight characters in Mass Effect games, so I simply ask for openly gay characters. There are plot-importance straight characters in ME games, and so I ask for the same for gay characters. Though I must admit having Jaal catch Ryder making out with Liam would be awesome. My sexy time with Liam would now turn into threesome! And nope, no rainbow tee shirts. No one is wearing anything during this cultural exchange!
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Post by Dirk on Aug 5, 2017 21:03:37 GMT
I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay. This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same. Same. I don't need tragic drama over sexuality in games since I've had enough of that to last a lifetime. Not even talking about personal experience-literally almost all media on gay characters is so dramatic and usually ends horribly-I've had my fill. I'm ready for something really edgy-gay people just existing and succeeding at life. I would love that these gay characters should be openly gay as well. What I don't want to see is when a character is queer-coded and then revealed by devs in an interviewed that he is gay, but it is not clear from the game that he is gay. I generally don't count that as a valid or good representation. Oh and I want a major gay major character too. I am talking about Liara level of plot importance! Ok I guess I need to wake up.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 4, 2017 16:50:11 GMT
I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay.
This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 7:44:17 GMT
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 6:41:53 GMT
She would encourage it and ship it, best supporting mom ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She asked for more details on human breeding... :amirite: Jaal's mother is like
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 6:35:38 GMT
Tekehu's booty I didn't know you were into spanking. Also, There's enough Jaal to share guys! Indeed, so
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 6:25:01 GMT
yo solo sé que a Jaal le gusta una hartah el sabo Oh BSN, cuando me apetece bañarme en mugre, tú siempre estás ahí *cursing in spanish* also, I'm just wondering how Jaal's jizz tastes like... I hope is blue too, blue jizz that tastes like blueberries...maybe a little salty like myself *snip out the disturbing gif* I'm an evil gay that only think of jizz, somebody spank me because I was bad *takes Jaal away from you* gif credit to Joey
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 6:06:15 GMT
Indeed the claim that straight allies do not exist is false. I think we simply disagree on how we interpret Panda's post. To me when he said "straight people calling themselves "pro-LGBT"", I took that he meant those fake straight allies such as Lady Consular (a name that started all this drama lol). Btw, SofaJockey , since LC deleted her account, am I going to get another warning for this? Yeah, that was clearly what Panda meant. It's one thing to just claim to be an ally, but if you go around spouting toxic things about gay people then you can't really back up that claim. So it is meaningless coming from someone like that. Yeah and luckily most of the time it is quite easy to distinguish, now that you can look at the differences in their posts. Like in one post they were so supportive, but on another they talked shit about us. It's quite funny when calling them out on that! Anyways, back to the topic, I think I might not give enough credit to Bioware on making Jaal bi. This is because they actually did not just copy paste Jaal/Sara romance scene, but they added new lines and dialogues for Scott/Jaal romance and very good (and sexy) animations during the waterfall scene. This indeed should be the standard on how Bioware treats bi romance options in the future. The only improvement I wish for that is to show somewhere that Jaal is also interested in males, though that is not required.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 5:35:51 GMT
There are definitely differences between legitimate straight allies and those who proclaim that they are pro-lgbt but their actions are not. The first kind are very valuable indeed. They listen to lgbt people, try to understand issues that affect lgbt people and don't talk over us. They support us getting more lgbt content and representation in media. And there are some people on BSN that belong to this kind (you know who you are, and I love you all ). And then there are the second kind, where they claim they support lgbt people but they don't listen to us. They are against lgbt people getting more representation in the media. Or they come into a discussion about lgbt topics only to cause disruption and make light of our issues, for example some people in this thread and the character romance thread. It is quite easy to see which group these "straight allies" belong to. I've certainly dealt with my share of faux-allies who only cared about patting themselves on the back for being so "supportive" even as the were putting us down or making it all about them. I still have to take exception when someone effectively claims that allies don't exist. Indeed the claim that straight allies do not exist is false. I think we simply disagree on how we interpret Panda's post. To me when he said "straight people calling themselves "pro-LGBT"", I took that he meant those fake straight allies such as Lady Consular (a name that started all this drama lol). Btw, SofaJockey , since LC deleted her account, am I going to get another warning for this?
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 5:11:16 GMT
Also, straight people calling themselves "pro-LGBT" is just meaningless noise. What. That's taking things too far. Straight allies are real and they are valuable. There are definitely differences between legitimate straight allies and those who proclaim that they are pro-lgbt but their actions are not. The first kind are very valuable indeed. They listen to lgbt people, try to understand issues that affect lgbt people and don't talk over us. They support us getting more lgbt content and representation in media. And there are some people on BSN that belong to this kind (you know who you are, and I love you all ). And then there are the second kind, where they claim they support lgbt people but they don't listen to us. They are against lgbt people getting more representation in the media. Or they come into a discussion about lgbt topics only to cause disruption and make light of our issues, for example some people in this thread and the character romance thread. It is quite easy to see which group these "straight allies" belong to.
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Post by Dirk on Aug 2, 2017 3:10:51 GMT
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