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Post by riou on Mar 4, 2017 8:42:14 GMT
I'll be real here for a second.
If (and it's a big if) there's a gay, male turian romance? I will probably not give any fucks about Jaal. No offense but Garrus shipteasing me for several years has left it's toll on me.
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Post by riou on Mar 4, 2017 7:45:06 GMT
The fact Cerberus is a part of this at all makes me roll my eyes. It would be the lamest twist ever to have "sekret sleeper agents" among the colonists. Also really? The entire Initiative is a cover for a conspiracy group? Besides, how would they get all that Eezo back to the MWG??
Yeah no, this leak is ridiculous.
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Post by riou on Mar 4, 2017 6:16:27 GMT
The irony of medieval fantasy having better LGBT representation than a fookin' sci-fi game set hundreds of years in the future. This always bugged me in so many ways. Dragon Age had m/m romance right from the start, and only added to it with each game. It took the ME team three f*ing games to even give us TWO m/m romances, once of which was a straight character made bisexual out of left field.It grinds my goddamn gears.
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Post by riou on Mar 4, 2017 5:29:34 GMT
What I'm wondering is:
What sort of relationship type will the squaddies fall under. Sure, a female Ryder can flirt with Jaal, and he's interested...but what if all he wants is a fling?
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Post by riou on Mar 3, 2017 23:31:14 GMT
First, none of the sexualities has been confirmed for any of the characters that are being teased, so I don't know where you're getting the assumption that it has to be m/f or f/f. The people who are asking about m/m wants to know which characters that are available to them. Teasing about sexy time doesn't equal their gender preference. Second, the last game that came out had some great NPCs with some really good romance arc. Plus, if I remember correctly, M/f and F/f had one companion romance while M/m had two of them. With F/m having the most romance available as companion. Bioware has already stated countless time that the NPCs onboard the Tempest have just as content as the Squad member. Even some of the articles that came out praised the Npc onboard the Tempest. But, you guys are all adults with mind of y'all own. Keep thinking Bioware is personally attacking you, when they've been making LGBT characters just as important as the straight characters. Companion wise, Still hope you guys can at least get Jaal. I feel like I keep coming back to this point in this thread, and because I have responded to it multiple times, I feel that I have enough experience talking about the issue to try to simplify and clarify my position here.
When considering romance content, there is a difference between quantity, quality, and kind. NPC romances can have the same quantity of content as squad romances. NPC romances can have the same quality of content as squad romances. But NPC romances cannot have the same kind of content as squad romances.
As has been said before, there are certain kinds of events and interactions that can only take place in the field, and there is a certain level of depth of relationship that can only be developed through the constant contact that being a member of the squad can provide. Banter, reactions, and the sheer force of physical presence are, with few and limited exceptions, within the sole domain of squadmates, and, as such, can only be used as tools to develop a romantic arc with those squadmates. NPCs might get a few lines of dialogue spoken in the player's ear sprinkled throughout the game, but there is simply no comparison between the weight of interaction that NPCs have in the field when held against squadmates.
I hope that everyone gets at least one squad romance option. I hope the pessimism that I've seen in this thread turns out to be unwarranted. I want everyone to be fairly treated, and I want everyone to be happy with what the game presents them.
But the reality is that the marketing and developer comments have not come across as understanding of the concerns that have been raised in this thread. It took us two full games of drought before m/m options were even a possibility for Shepard, and while it would be disappointing if there was no m/m option for Ryder on the squad in Andromeda, it would not be a surprise.
Okay, now... /rant off
That was a bit longer than I expected. Time for happy hopeful thoughts.
The thing is, if the only difference between NPCs and Squadmates is the (non-romantic) field banter and their sheer presence, then that's a very small and shallow degree of difference that an NPC can make up for with extended interactions or more frequent ones. And while such interactions with a squadmate CAN be used to enhance a connection that leads to a desire for romance, whether that actually happens or not is up to the player, which makes saying that squadmates objectively have the better content by sheer virtue of being in your squad well, not very objective.
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Post by riou on Mar 3, 2017 4:41:47 GMT
I'm just going to face the music here: Leaks aside, all the evidence points to M/M getting the shaft (and not in the way we'd like). Ask about M/F or to a lesser extent F/F romances: "OMG SO MUCH SEXY TIMEZ LOL!!! YOU CAN KEEEEESS DEM!!! ALL DA KEESES!!!"Ask about M/M romances: "..."or "ROMANCES ARE SUPER SECRET! YOU MUST DISCOVER THEM ON YOUR OWN! KEEP IN MIND WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE VIDEO-GAMEY!"The ME team didn't release this information because the romances are very skewed and unfair (especially against M/M) -- they know it, and they really don't feel like doing damage control in the ever so important pre-release phase when the hype is at its height. I'd love for BW to prove me wrong in every facet, but I have a sinking feeling that they won't. But the former isn't really true? Vetra taking her visor off doesn't in ANY way inform on which way she swings. And Cora's the only one we have absolute confirmation of via the cinematic trailer. PeeBee is only "mostly" confirmed because we've yet to see an Asari with a gender preference, so that's assumed, but not actually hard-confirmed. I'm also skeptical about leaks for the most part because some parts of them are right and other times they're wrong so I'm not going to put a whole lot of faith in them. As for tweets, again, this is a lose-lose for Bioware. They can't give out more information, and even if they could, it'd be DA:I all over again where people were angry that they gave away too much of the story. But now they're being vague and shruggy as hell and now it's bad on them because they're not saying enough. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Now we're too the point of assuming malicious intent on their part with absolutely zero solid information beyond paranoia. And that's not a solid foundation for anything. As let's not start taking quotes of theirs out of context. People did that with DA2 and they looked like idiots and assholes for doing so let's not follow those footsteps okay?
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Post by riou on Mar 3, 2017 4:00:54 GMT
If Jaal isn't bi at this point-there will be a pretty big negative reaction. They have allowed the speculation to grow for far too long. That's all I'm saying. Hold up now. I'm all for being annoyed/miffed/upset when the cause is legitimate. But now you're saying it's Bioware's fault that the fans are whipping themselves up into a frenzy. I sort of draw the line there. You cannot blame the company because the fans are flailing about on their own.
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Post by riou on Feb 28, 2017 5:27:17 GMT
Different strokes. I had one fHawke playthrough and, like, twenty Nick Boulton's because... Nick Boulton. I dont think I had a single MaleHawke playthrough. Only reason to ever switch genders when replaying RPGs is to try new romances, but DA2 didnt have that problem. What a time to be alive that was. Honestly, I feel like playersexual romances were best because there was simply no concern about whether you could or couldn't romance someone. You just picked which among them you connected with best, and that was all you needed to do. I get that it's not "realistic" in terms of characters or development, but then remember how people flew into a rage over a mod that let people romance Dorian as a girl? Yeah, that was dumb. The rage, not the mod. (And before anyone tries to call me out, yes, I am a dude, who's gay)
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Post by riou on Feb 28, 2017 3:28:26 GMT
Honestly, if Bioware doesn't deliver on any m/m alien romances, we'd better get a gay male alien squadmate next game. Not bisexual, but gay. I'm seriously hoping for a turian to be that option. I mean even Garrus vaguely teases at being interested in a guy shep but you're just not allowed to even attempt.
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Post by riou on Feb 27, 2017 18:35:12 GMT
Meanwhile CD-Projekt steps in, takes a ton of RPG design cues from Obsidian and sprinkles it with Bioware sex and outsells both combined and becomes universally hailed as the modern RPG holy grail, regardless if deservingly so. So maybe Bioware should start thinking more on their actual RPG game design side while Obsidian should stop worrying so much about Codexia's aversion to romance except TW3 does deserve all the praise it gets Debateable, I think it's a well-designed game but it is not the holy grail of RPGs, not by a long shot. I think they do some things better than Bioware but Bioware blows them out of the water in others.
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Post by riou on Feb 27, 2017 18:13:40 GMT
While I sympathize with folks in this thread (As I'm also one of those people who hopes for Jaal being bi or at the very least a gay male turian romance option), I feel like I more understand and sympathize with Bioware. They're in a terrible position right now. If anyone here was around for the old Bioware Social Network "forum" and what-not, at one point Chris Priestly, one of the moderators, made a post talking about why they choose to say so little, or be vague (besides company policy telling them it's a no-no to spoil).
Basically, he said that they would prefer to use the "less is more", be vague as possible, or just not say anything at all because fans have this (rather annoying tendency) to over-analyze and over-interpret anything that's given to them. To the point that Bioware is literally in a 'damned if you, damned if you don't' situation. If they say something, it'll get picked apart and used against them. If they say nothing, then even their silence is used against them.
But even if Bioware doesn't give us exactly the specific thing we want, I doubt they've been blind/deaf to what people have said over the years to what the fans have been saying.
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Post by riou on Feb 27, 2017 18:02:29 GMT
I will never understand the mindset that believes ME1 to be the pinnacle of the series. A great opening sure, but one that showed it's age even when it's sequel was in development.
I can see this game blowing Zero Dawn away or I can see it being considered a comparable experience. The problem is the games are two vastly different narratives with two different sorts of gameplay experience. The only thing they share in common is an "open-world" of which MEA seems the superior of the two.
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