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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 21:54:22 GMT
I wouldn't have any issue with the same scene if they have the same scene, but that's not the case with ME, and if resource is an issue, then it would also go against what they said about it takes just as much resource to make a bisexual character as a monosexual character, and said that it would only have 4 options if everyone was playersexual. One of the strange things is that they have a perfect opportunity to do it with Jaal, he used to be straight, he has a scene at the beach with Sara, but then they changed it for both and both Ryder have a scene in the vehicle. Wouldn't it a better use of resource and give everyone a different scenes, showing that they put efforts in bi characters by giving Scott the car scene and Sara the beach scene, allowing unique experience for both characters which may even encourage people to roll a different gender to experience both Jaal and make the playthrough feel different? Hmm I'd say yes and no... it would be nice to know they put such effort into the scenes, but at the same time, why give Sara a beach scene and not Scott? I mean, consider this scenario, regardless of LI: What if they made Sara's more romantic, and Scott's more sexy/passionate? Players of either character would get annoyed. "Why can't they be romantic with my Scott?" "Do they think because she's a woman Sara isn't interest in sexytimes?" And so on. I don't think we know about much about the beach scene and the vehicle scene. They could just be as romantic but just somewhat different lines, both could just either be as romantic or both could be as sexual depending on the angle they want to go for with that particular character. It's just deciding to either go on a date on a beach or a ride. Both could be romantic, but it's just different scenery.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 21:51:26 GMT
I think there is a difference between straight up removing scenes instead of replacing them and claim that they would take just as much effort to program for bi romance. On top of that, why is it acceptable for female/male pair? The same argument could be made about female Shepard and Kaidan be switched for those moments or females show more of a dominant role instead of a submissive role which is seem to be the assumption if it's ok for female Shepard and not ok for male Shepard. Straight up removing it mean that they make the characters with females in mind and then go back and modified that for guys. That's not designing a character with both sexes in mind which is why even if you date Kaidan as a male, Kaidan only talked about females like how attractive EDI is or going on a date with a woman. Actually, it would take more effort to program the bi version because they wouldn't just be transplanting the male version of the pair into the female version's place. If they just did that, the end result has the potential to be extremely offensive because of the old trope the gay relationships involve one of the men essentially becoming a woman, so they would also have to add extra dialogue options and extra branching paths in order to facilitate the player's ability to decide which character goes where, and as much as we might not like it, resources are limited. And there are several scenes that are not gender specific as I said that got removed like hand across cheeks or simply holding hands in public. As you said, it would take MORE effort if they have to transplant a male protagonist on a female protagonist, meaning that they have to prioritize the female first before modify that for a male. How in the world is that bisexual or how in the world is that not playersexual if they make a character with a set gender in mind? I would say not having to reuse assets and have to write new codes is way less effort than simply creating a branching path with exactly the same scene.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 21:47:18 GMT
I think there is a difference between straight up removing scenes instead of replacing them and claim that they would take just as much effort to program for bi romance. On top of that, why is it acceptable for female/male pair? The same argument could be made about female Shepard and Kaidan be switched for those moments or females show more of a dominant role instead of a submissive role which is seem to be the assumption if it's ok for female Shepard and not ok for male Shepard. Straight up removing it mean that they make the characters with females in mind and then go back and modified that for guys. That's not designing a character with both sexes in mind which is why even if you date Kaidan as a male, Kaidan only talked about females like how attractive EDI is or going on a date with a woman. Unique scenes for unique pairings would have been the best option. Time and resource allocation is difficult to trust at face value. I wouldn't have any issue with the same scene if they have the same scene, but that's not the case with ME, and if resource is an issue, then it would also go against what they said about it takes just as much resource to make a bisexual character as a monosexual character, and said that it would only have 4 options if everyone was playersexual. One of the strange things is that they have a perfect opportunity to do it with Jaal, he used to be straight, he has a scene at the beach with Sara, but then they changed it for both and both Ryder have a scene in the vehicle. Wouldn't it a better use of resource and give everyone a different scenes, showing that they put efforts in bi characters by giving Scott the car scene and Sara the beach scene, allowing unique experience for both characters which may even encourage people to roll a different gender to experience both Jaal and make the playthrough feel different?
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 21:38:12 GMT
People said that they have to cut some of Kaidan's romance part for male Shep due to how it makes Shep feminine or something, but does Kaidan putting Shep's hand on his cheek is really wrong? It seems like a common way for couple to express love, guys do it to girls, girls do it to guys. There's nothing gender role about it, I don't know why they remove it. The hand holding walking to the casino as well. I don't know why it's necessary to remove it for maleShep. It seems like every scene that shows males showing affections got removed. If you go back to all of Bioware m/m romance, what they lack is the romantic part. I don't know what's the deal with showing romantic gestures between males that put Bioware off. It's more about things like Shepard straddling Kaidan on the couch or Kaidan carrying Shepard to bed. Sure that would be fine for people who picture their Shepard doing those things, but what about the people who would rather Shepard and Kaidan be switched for those moments? That's why m/m versions of scenes like that can be a bit of a minefield unless the developers can spend the extra time and resources to go in and program options to let the player determine who does what. I think there is a difference between straight up removing scenes instead of replacing them and claim that they would take just as much effort to program for bi romance. On top of that, why is it acceptable for female/male pair? The same argument could be made about female Shepard and Kaidan be switched for those moments or females show more of a dominant role instead of a submissive role which is seem to be the assumption if it's ok for female Shepard and not ok for male Shepard. Straight up removing it mean that they make the characters with females in mind and then go back and modified that for guys. That's not designing a bisexual character with both sexes in mind which is why even if you date Kaidan as a male, Kaidan only talked about females like how attractive EDI is or going on a date with a woman.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 21:21:25 GMT
People said that they have to cut some of Kaidan's romance part for male Shep due to how it makes Shep feminine or something, but does Kaidan putting Shep's hand on his cheek is really wrong? It seems like a common way for couple to express love, guys do it to girls, girls do it to guys. There's nothing gender role about it, I don't know why they remove it. The hand holding walking to the casino as well. I don't know why it's necessary to remove it for maleShep. It seems like every scene that shows males showing affections got removed. If you go back to all of Bioware m/m romance, what they lack is the romantic part. I don't know what's the deal with showing romantic gestures between males that put Bioware off.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 21:03:01 GMT
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 18:06:04 GMT
You know, I was thinking the same thing lately.. And that gif could be just to not put words he did not said to his mouth.. I think I will not go to sleep today, maybe I will watch Iron Fist whole season lol Watching Iron Fist now. Slow start but is then really good. It is? It's a total crapshoot for me personally. Big disappointment.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 7:02:43 GMT
I've sort of been squinting through this thread, reading some spoilers avoiding others, but can you seriously have a kid with Gil? I feel like that doesn't imply great things about continuity of Ryder as a protagonist. Yes
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 4:14:46 GMT
I watched deep into that Reyes video and they didn't show her, but they did say the Salarian Pathfinder was female in it.
Edit -- Apparently did show her according to others. Didn't go deep enough. lol *whisper* can someone share the reyes video? I took a screenshot of Reyes.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 3:47:27 GMT
I'm honestly surprised the game guide hasn't leaked yet. I'm concerned for both m/m romances and straight Sara romances. I feel like both gay men and straight women got the short end of the stick in the trilogy and I'd hate for that to happen again. But it probably will. Because F us, right? I think gay women and straight women had about the same luck, tbh, while gay men had the worst. True, Women still have Dragon Age, straight men and lesbian women (benefited from straight men) have Mass Effect. Gay men really have nothing. ME didn't even have an option until the third game and it was just a bone thrown at them, DAO has 1 option, DA2 has 2 women have 3, DAI gay men have 2, straight women have 4. Star Wars the Old Republic didn't have anything until people complained. I'm not blaming any group, it's just the different focus they decide on, I suppose.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 3:14:28 GMT
I'm honestly surprised the game guide hasn't leaked yet. I'm concerned for both m/m romances and straight Sara romances. I feel like both gay men and straight women got the short end of the stick in the trilogy and I'd hate for that to happen again. But it probably will. Because F us, right? At least if the game being accused of being SJW, we can shove it down their throat since that's their favorite orifice whenever they talk about gay and feminists.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 3:05:02 GMT
Is there a gag order on Jaal? Everyone who played the game avoid talking about it, the voice actor avoided it, the developers avoided it. Why are they so secretive over it? Almost all the LIs have been reveal, and even the guy who reveals most of the options in the video avoid using Jaal.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 2:44:10 GMT
I really wanted to romance Scott. No, not as Sara, I mean the actor is pretty hot. I would have loved to romance him as a LI if he was a companion and the protagonist was someone else. Too bad though, they didn't get face actor for Gil. Watching the game, there are a lot of random NPC with the same structure and styles as Gil; he doesn't feel very unique. I guess that's one of the downside with being a non-companion LI outside of the cutscenes, the characters will end up using character creation, which already limited at it is.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 1:52:51 GMT
Mating doesn't have to involve genital though. It's pretty prudish. The correct answer is Angaran fuse with you. I like furry but this is weird :poker: This is not furry, this is vore. There goes the last word I thought I'd never say on BSN.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 1:45:36 GMT
Mating doesn't have to involve genital though. It's pretty prudish. The correct answer is Angaran fuse with you.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 0:11:43 GMT
I've had two random people on Twitter message me with some horrible stuff about me ruining Jaal, has stuff spread beyond here? So confused and upset right now Ruined in what sense?
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 23:45:18 GMT
I know we're way past caring about this but I went back to Lady Insanity's stream and this is what she said word for word regarding the Jaal romance: "All I've confirmed is that [Jaal] likes females" I think her wording indicates that she means he at least is a heterosexual option. Yes, since I doubt she has time to do both due to how late Jaal's recruitment is.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 23:04:45 GMT
If Jaal is straight.. I don't know I would feel bad/excluded since all other orientations will have romances with the squad and the crew/npc's, and they will have overall more options available too (fRyder - Liam, Jaal, PeeBee, Vetra, Suvi, Reyes, and mRyder - Cora, PeeBee, Vetra, Reyes) [since for now just Gil and Reyes are confirmed as options for gay/bi Scott] What I just did to myself, how I will sleep now? Don't even mention that possibilities. I thought you and I were friends Bioware. We used to be best buddies and now we're not. What am I gonna do?
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:59:12 GMT
If Jaal is straight this is gonna be me Then #Killmenow
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:55:32 GMT
I grew up with a bipolar brother, and his mood swings have nothing on this. Oh this? This is nothing compared to the DA:I hype. While we had some more answers, it was so piecemeal as to be torturous. Imagine this level of mood swinging about various topics for about a year. The data-mining was just as bad and confusing. The romance threads weren't much better. I am actually bi-polar myself. Just like with a bad bi-polar episode, this will get less extreme with time. It just feels like forever since the game doesn't come out for another 3-5 days (International versions comes out on the 23rd.) We are on the same boat. You don't have to do this alone. You don't have to keep your distance anymore. Cause for the first time in forever, I finally understand, for the first time in forever, we can do this hand in hand, we can wait for the game together, you don't have to live in fear, cause for the first time in forever, I will be right here.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:36:32 GMT
What is it with this thread and the constant mood swings from optimism to pessimism Everyone here is Bipolar. Get it? BI polar? I'll show myself out.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:22:33 GMT
So with all this info from the datamine and cut content, I just have to wonder... During those FIVE years of development of Andromeda, the devs lacked the foresight that gay/lesbian players want an option on the squad? Or that there would be those who don't want a sexual romance? At all? It took them the absolute last minute for them to create two bi squadmates, and in exchange they cut two amazing romance scenes? So people who wanted to play as Sara lose out on a beautiful scene with Jaal, and those that play as Scott also lose a good scene with Vetra? And asexual players get almost nothing? Especially after Inquisition, when we had Josephine, who can be interpreted as asexual, or Dorian and Sera, two exclusive LBGT squadmates, regardless of your feeling on their romance. Seriously, Bioware, what the hell were you thinking? We may have gotten bisexual squdmates that aren't Asari, but in exchange we lost out on amazing scenes to accommodate us? I applaud you Bioware. I applaud you. They can't include everything, based on one of the developers back in the old forum. They may consider it, but that doesn't mean they will include it. I don't see why people see it as losing out but instead alternate scenes. It happens to video games and movies all the time where scenes and contents in the alpha changed like the Redwood decision in DAI.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:13:09 GMT
Yeah I was gunna maybe ask if someone could tweet the devs something or not Didn't I read a few times that this was all actually worse in the wait for Dragon Age: Inquisition??? If that is the case, how, HOW did you all survive it? I honestly don't know how much more of this I can take to be honest. Just hang in there for 2 days. The full review embargo drops on the 20th. We'll get through this. <hug>
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:11:47 GMT
It is looking like Jaal was straight until as late as the start of March, so relax guys. He's bi now most likely. All in all, he's a reversed Cullen. Jaal was intended to be straight but changed to bi at the last minute and the data mining showing it. Cullen was intended to be bi but changed to straight at the last minute and the data mining showing it. At least, I can say that at least team ME did try to accommodate and change Jaal based on how popular Jaal is while team DA just removes it instead despite how popular Cullen is. I'm starting to think that ladyconsular was right and that Ian changed it after visiting the forum. That was nice of him.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 18, 2017 22:07:02 GMT
So I just got another tweet back from Tom Taylorson regarding Jaal, and once again he seems to be strongly implying Jaal is available to dudes. If he's not a total tool/queerbaiter, I think Tom is trying to give us as much of a "YES JAAL BI IS TRUE" message as possible: Space bear LI confirmed.
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