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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 8, 2017 0:10:36 GMT
I have nothing against Liam, but he's too childish for me. I think I really like these rugged manly matured guys. I'm not sure why, but going to college and living with a bunch of frat guys in the same dorm really ruin the extrovert personality for me.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 23:55:16 GMT
lol, not being pleased? I'm pretty much content with Jaal being bi. You're the one who talk about gays not being content while you're the one who projecting your discontent on others. I'm just pointing out the irony which you somehow think have anything to do with being discontent. I don't even get the logic in that. Most of the people are happy with Jaal, so I don't know where you find gay not ever being content. Show me proofs instead of talking shit without any backing. Because they are not. That was the whole reason this stupid thing happened in the first place. They continue to whine about being "shafted", about a meaningless achievement, and other nonsense. I was perfectly content to let BioWARE fix the buggy animations (and you must admit they needed, and still need, to be fixed). Instead, they're wasting valuable time catering to a bunch of triggered little babies sad they can't get an achievement. If I have a dime for everytime someone brings up other issues over Jaal romance. They already released 7 patches to fix other issues. They also have already released a time table that they said they would include a romance for gay within 2 months. They also include bug fix alongside with the Jaal patch. Where were you during that time? You just suddenly complain, despite it being announced 2 months prior. You're salty as hell. lol You have more issues with the fact that they're releasing gay contents than bug fixes or anything because they release bug fix with every patch so far.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 23:17:12 GMT
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 22:47:55 GMT
Let's talk about people who never please. Have the most options, the most quality romances, Cora's hair is too manly, Peebee is too ugly, why isn't Suvi a lesbian. Talking about how Bioware only catering to gay when the ones with the most contents are straight. lol I heard a lot of ridiculous things from you, but the irony of this post is delicious though. Suvi is a lesbian. I thought you know that. And this is what I mean by gay people not being pleased. You immediately assume it's all about straight people. I think you're projecting some serious, deep-seeded hatred. lol, not being pleased? I'm pretty much content with Jaal being bi. You're the one who talk about gays not being content while you're the one who projecting your discontent on others. I'm just pointing out the irony which you somehow think have anything to do with being discontent. I don't even get the logic in that. Most of the people are happy with Jaal, so I don't know where you find gay not ever being content. Show me proofs instead of talking shit without any backing.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 21:49:23 GMT
I can understand why they did it: The gay audience is loud, annoying, and seems to think they are the only thing that matters. Now, instead of fixing bad animations like that weird way Ryder runs if you change direction in the middle of a run, they're retconning characters to appease a crowd that, by definition is never pleased. Let's talk about people who never please. Have the most options, the most quality romances, Cora's hair is too manly, Peebee is too ugly, why isn't Suvi a lesbian. Talking about how Bioware only catering to gay when the ones with the most contents are straight. lol I heard a lot of ridiculous things from you, but the irony of this post is delicious though.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 20:30:46 GMT
I doubt Reyes would be in since all the human squadmates tend to look very unique and have face model. If they suddenly scan a new face for Reyes, he would be a different person. It's like Zevran looking so different from DAO because of the engine changes.
I could see some aliens outside of the Asari becoming a squadmate though.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 20:21:33 GMT
what i find a little odd is how hard bioware goes in order to enforce an agenda . i give a damn about anyone sexuality . i rather have a good and solid story . some decent animations, some decent dialogs . they decided to ditch quality in order to please the LGTB community, i really doubt they are interested in mass effect to begin with . but perhaps this explains why female preset and default sara are so hideous and wierd looking . they wanted them all to look like truck drivers, with a testosterone overdose . Yeah, the gay agenda. They tried it really hard to please the gay players this time. 2 non-squadmates, CC face, one was made for female before badly modified for male, the other with the shortest romance content, lack of consideration like no confrontation for romancing 2 people like the straight ones or making a trophy gay players could never get. Tell me more about how trying to please gay players while straight guys have 3 full squadmate female romance and 2 off-ship while straight females have 2 straight male squadmates with an off-ship romance made specifically for them first before modified for males. Tell me more about how gay players get preferential treatment please. I'm all ears. Blame the lacklusting content on them focusing on gay romance when there is barely any gay romance in it. Since the game catered to straight players, so if they pull resources away from making the game good, it would be from the straight romance. Your argument doesn't hold here.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 14:31:23 GMT
Place hate away. I was defending Jaal being straight in the beginning before I found out how weak are the M/M romances. I am happy to share him now. There is planty of Jaal('s asses) for everyone. Right? I know, it's old But it's still good My best work ever It looks like a spinal cord tract I have to study for college. I could literally draw a diagram of the spinal cord pathway using Jaal's butt.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 14:18:35 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. Well, he was barely straight for like TWO MONTHS AND A HALF... :sure:
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 12:56:45 GMT
Oh man. Ooooh man. I didn't think I'd be coming back to these forums, but... They've done it. They have actually gone and made him bi. I don't know how I feel about this. But at least now I can play my canon playthrough, so I'm not complaining lmao (I still can't quite believe this is real and really happening tbh)
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 12:29:07 GMT
Got brought up in another thread but figured I should post about it in the right place. Want to throw my vote in for more female human squad mates that we can have lesbian romances with. The f/f romances always end up being either the Asari or deck officer characters, never the female human squad mates. No, femShep/Ashley, Miranda, Jack and now no Sara/Cora. Last really good one I remember is Leliana from DAO. This. So much this. 4 games and no female human squadmate as LI for girls. I'm really tired of it. Sure, we got Suvi, but not everyone likes her, plus she's not even a squadmate. Same goes for Vetra and Peebee. I, personally, am not interested in romancing aliens. I prefer humans, though Suvi is not my cup of tea. So I ended with Peebee, which I like, but her romance scene is just recycled from Scott. The only romance scene lesbians have is RECYCLED. During that scene it looks like FemRyder has a penis. How lazy BioWare can be? It's ridiculous beyond words. I'm glad that guys have Jaal. From what I read, new lines were recorded for this romance, also new scenes made and all that. But what about lesbians? The only romance scene we have is recycled. It felt like throwing us a bone. "Asari don't mind genders, so make her for chicks as well. Oh, and just copy paste sex scene. No one will notice." The very least BioWare could do is to fix it. But they won't. Why? Because they're not even aware of the issue. They only made Jaal bi, 'cause there was a massive backlash. Man. No Cora for girls and when we get someone, it's just a recycled romance from a guy. The Recycled romance from the opposite sex for bisexual option seems to be applying to both gay and lesbian, it looks like. It seems like gay players have the opposite problems. All of the gay options have been humans. There hasn't been a gay alien for gay players, they really rub it in our face with all these gay aliens coupling up (Turian pathfinders, Angaran gay marriage). Still, it's the Asari curse. Asari is usually bisexual and often available to both genders, so they take up a slot, making the romance lean heavily toward aliens for females. Still, the issue with gay romance wasn't that there are only gay humans to romance. It that there wasn't any gay squadmate human or alien to romance, overlooked by developers when they create a trophy for romancing 3 people while there is only 2 gay romance, the bi option being made for females before being edited for males, the gay option is the shortest and NPC, both options are CC instead of having a unique face squadmate. It wasn't so much about personal preference like gay romance didn't have an alien; it was because gay romance was inferior and overlooked in every way possible, extended all the way from the trilogy where there wasn't any gay option for 2 games while in the third game, the bi option was also made for female with scenes shortened. I can see why you're upset. Even though there are 2 options of gay companions in Inquisition, I didn't romance any of them since it wasn't up to my preference, still, the issue was my personal preference, not because they didn't provide any quality option like MEA.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 11:56:42 GMT
They never "stated" that he was straight. I think they meant the guide, which says he's for Sara only. That's considered official. Not BW themselves. Anyone not keeping up will be so clueless if they play it now as Scott and have that old guide lol and I agree, the change is bad based on that, but nothing else. That guide also has pictures of Suvi romancing Scott despite being stated that Suvi has always been intended as lesbian. People put too much faith in beta build.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 11:40:09 GMT
I don't like the idea that gay men should just '' deal with whatever they got '' and pay more for content they deserved from the start. You are really advocating for gay men to pay more for content that should've been there from the start, and to just wait for the possible next game to things get better? Just so that BW can remain '' honorable '' or whatever the fuck? Hmh, nah, sorry, I'll take my free content that fixes a lot of the m/m issues I've personally been affected by while playing the game and be happy. :/ It's basically compromising for other people's sake. We should swallow it in because it may open a pandora's box of some sorts. Seriously, gay players have always been put in the position where we have to be considerate of other groups. Don't complain about Kaidan being made for female, at least he's the first male ME squadmate, next time it will get better. Don't complain about having less number of options, we're the minority. Don't complain about Cullen being straight despite tons of dialogues even ending for a bi option, there's Dorian and Iron Bull. Don't complain about no gay option in Star Wars The Old Republic, it's a post launch feature. Basically, we have to swallow the load with each Bioware games. I don't see why we have to keep being considerate and things like that when other groups have never extend the same courtesy to us. A lot of straight guys reacted toward this are basically "bugs need fixing but gay romance is the priority?" while many straight females are talking about how Jaal "belongs" to them or making him bi changing who he is or bring up how they're being shafted in ME3 despite the fact the the bi option was made for them before being modified for males. The gay players have been shafted the entire trilogy and when things that have to be cut, it's always the gay contents that have to get cut like SWTOR, like Cullen, like Jaal. We have always swallowing it year after year and think of the other groups, when is it enough? How many "next game" before we get the bare minimum?
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 11:29:08 GMT
Celebrate 2000 pages.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 11:17:32 GMT
I'm a bit curious about the sex scene for Scott. I have a feeling they either half ass it and cut the scene. It would be kinda awkward for Jaal to spin Scott while he's giggling (Established Scott seems to be more logical and frank). In ME3, they cut out scenes from femShep that would make maleShep appear feminine like femShep straddling Kaidan. I would hope they animate a different scene if they don't want Scott acting like Sarah, but I have a feeling they would likely just cut certain parts to save on resources.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 10:52:28 GMT
This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance. (Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again) If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away? The difference between Suvi and Jaal is Jaal doesn't even have romance dialogue for Scott in the first place, there isn't even an ambiguous rejection. It's not even about intention. Cullen was intended to be bisexual, he has a lot of dialogues, companions commended on him and male Inquisitor, even ending dialogues where he and male Inquisitor talk at the end. Sometimes, they have to cut contents due to time constraint. Whenever that happens, the ones that get contents cut are always the gay players. As I stated before, it's not even about intention sometimes but technological difficulty and time constraint like Cullen or race restriction based on Iron Bull's technological difficulty to animate it for all races. You can keep mentioning specific examples about things need to be changed due to negative review, but all of them are personal preference. Things like the non-squadmate, shortest romance, modded bisexual from females is altogether affecting gay players that are outside of personal preference but lack of consideration for gay players as a whole. I don't care about authenticity because set sexuality in Bioware game is basically gender gating, bisexual guys are straight guys modded for guys, out of convenience or whatever. I could care less if anyone is upset with bi Jaal. If there are groups who want other things, let them fight for it. If they want to change someone's ethnicity, that's not my concern. It's between Bioware and the group who bring it up.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 6:32:45 GMT
Wow. BioFan blocked me on Twitter because I was dishing out truth bombs all over his tweets against Jaal. He's the same guy that was happy he could romance both Reyes and Gil due to a glitch (As well as Bioware doesn't care enough to encode a confrontation scene like with other straight romances) and thanks Bioware for that. He's the same guy who can't even name a single other non-Bioware game with gay romance leading to people talking about not "biting the hand that feed them". I take whatever he says with a grain of salt.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 6:28:29 GMT
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 4:33:50 GMT
Honestly, Bioware writes bisexual men as always having a preference for women most of the time anyway. That's how it comes across anyway. I am excited to see the new romance path because the devs have confirmed Scott has his own bits and pieces with Jaal and isn't copied and pasted like Vetra/Peebee/Reyes content. I really wonder what will be the new changed content, but that makes sense to have something different, I don't really imagine him saying exactly the same things to Scott and to Sara (especially if Scott is his first man). A simple copy/paste would have been strange. And for Jaal having a preference for women, that makes even more sense with him because, well, unlike the others who were made bi from the start, Jaal was not, so let's say he has a better excuse than the others To be fair, none of the bisexual character in Bioware ever has a preference for male. Options like Reyes and Kaidan were made for females before modified for males, the animations were very awkward or shorter for male compared to female. Kaidan specifically only shows attraction to females talking about how hot EDI is or the girl he dated. Zevran shows a strong preference for female, Ander was a womanizer in Awakening, only mention his relationship to male Hawke but talked about his hookup with Isabella regardless, the same with Fenris who has a FWB situation going on with Isabella. Iron Bull while can enter into a relationship with Dorian often only talked about attraction and hookups with females. Let's not even talking about Sky. I don't think they ever made a bisexual male specifically, but often straight males but modified for male players. Still, I'm curious how Jaal will go for male. I may restart the entire game just to see how a Jaal romance with Scott would go.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 4:18:24 GMT
Bleh, I can't believe they actually caved into the pressure and changed a characters sexuality. It was a poor choice, and sets an awful precedent. The only bad part about this is now people are going to go to twitter and start demanding Bioware to make changes for them on this game or future games. But look on the bright side, Gay males finally have a gayilen in the Mass Effect series and he is plot-related. Bioware has shown that they are truly trying to make amends to the LGBT fans. Hopefully, they won't backtrack in future games. If they didn't know before, now they know that the LGBT people won't just accept crumbs. They need to treat all their fans equal and not try to just please one group. Gay people have to accept crumbs from the very beginning. I think we're just basically hoping it gets better, so it's the perpetual "maybe the next game will be better". This is why the entire ordeal about waiting for the next Mass Effect game to get better representation is unacceptable. Think about it, gays have never been a priority, even from the very beginning. Regardless, if one group has to have the least options, it's always the gay fanbase. I personally didn't mind too much since gay players are a minority, so I understand that business decision sometimes has to take precedent. Though for a refresher, with set sexuality, DAO, has 2 options for everyone, gay and lesbian has 1 each, DA2 goes for bisexuality for romance options, but the extra option goes for straight female. In DAI, 2 options for each, with the extra time, they added 2 more options exclusively for straight females, even for a cast of mostly males, the gay options would still be the same as everyone or less. With ME1 and 2, no gay option at all, only lesbian option for straight guys. With ME3, they reuse Kaidan from females and cutting out scenes from femShep, then Cortez, a custom face NPC. I didn't complain, in fact, I love ME3 with Kaidan, because even though it's crumb, we at least still have the first m/m squadmate in ME games, so that's progress. This is where the "Maybe the next game will be better" hope comes from. People see progress, people see that ME team is improving their treatment toward gay players. This is exactly why MEA was so disappointed, we go from a unique face squadmate in ME3, even as a reuse, to no m/m squadmate at all, with the bisexual option once again badly modded from Sarah, and a male NPC with the shortest romance content out of everyone, both of them have no unique face. It's regressing. Meanwhile, they gave straight males the most squadmate romances with very detailed and best choreographic scenes, longest out of everyone, on top of 2 extra romances options, while 2 exclusive options for straight females. They didn't even think that one of those options could easily made available for Scott as well, allowing Scott to have a unique face companion. I could care less if it's Jaal or Liam. Let just say it's Liam, even if I didn't like Liam as a male option, I would have no reason or cause to complain because they are mindful enough to include a squadmate romance for male players, as well as allowing gay players to have 3 romance options for the trophy. It means that they thought it out ahead of time, and gay players weren't last minute addition. We are not asking for special treatment. Reading comments on youtube or IGN make it seem like gay players want special treatment, but we're not. I'm not even asking for equal treatment since we have never gotten that. I think what I wanted simply was some thoughts and care going into gay players, so that we're not just some afterthoughts but an actual group Bioware thought of and considered when making the game. I think that's all. I simply cannot wait for another game, hoping it will get better, simply because it's their 4th game, they had 10 years to "get better". How much longer should we wait? In the next game, there would still be no guarantee that it would be better. It could just be another bisexual option being made for female first and then a gay NPC. I don't want to raise my expectation for it to simply get less than the bare minimum. It's not about the number of romance. A lot of people keep bringing it up as why gay romance got shafted, but it wasn't about that, at least for me. It's the feeling of gay romance being an afterthought that upset me. The trophy wanting us to romance 3 options while only having 2 options available is the issue. I don't mind having less options than other groups, but the trophy is just an indication that they didn't take gay players into consideration while creating game mechanics and trophies. This is the first step. They acknowledge they screwed up. I'm a bit more content toward Bioware now not because Jaal is bisexual but because Mass Effect team takes gay players into consideration.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on May 5, 2017 6:15:13 GMT
I don't know about you, but the partially eaten people in Kadara at the cannibal hideout was pretty grutal. More cannibalism please. Bioware, hear that? This is what the people want! bring a new meaning to Chinese takeout.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Apr 22, 2017 2:33:36 GMT
If you romance Vetra, you get a message from Syd remarking that Ryder is "so tiny." She finds it very cute. I'm used to being with taller people. My husband is a full foot taller than me. He's 6'5". Specifically, she remarks that Ryder is "sooooooo tiny!" Sid is adorable lmao There are just things you shouldn't say to a man. 😮
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Apr 20, 2017 0:43:14 GMT
It just got settled, peacefully. Good. I'm done with hypocrites since former Jaal fans were the fair weather friends who tossed us aside first when they couldn't fuck him. Logically speaking, it's likely impossible for the bi Jaal people to toss you or anyone asides first. They have no reasons to attack straight Jaal people, the comments would be about how they want Jaal to be bisexual, then in reaction to their response, straight Jaal said he should be straight, the ones who cast the first stone are the straight Jaal folks, it wouldn't make sense for them to attack on the straight Jaal group without being addressed first (Sometimes in condescending manners). Both groups need to stop addressing each other at this point. I don't care about Jaal being bisexual or not. I just don't want to hear about the argument and drama, you're letting internet forum affects you way too much to the point you're stated that it affects your mental health, it's not even that serious, don't take things so personal. Maybe just take a break from bi Jaal related threads and discussion.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Apr 19, 2017 23:53:42 GMT
Well I've finished the game and looked up on YT the romance content I didn't see first hand, gotta say pretty disappointed overall :/ I've been rather disappointed as well. If I were to rate LIs across the board for BioWare games, the bottom of that list would be pretty much all the ME:A LIs except Vetra(Anders would be dead last though). I just didn't take to this cast of characters like I did for Dragon Age Origins, Inquisition, the Shep trilogy, KotoR, Jade Empire, etc. I liked that it didn't always start with them being walking backstory dispensers like they could kind of get to be in previous games, but I quickly found myself not really caring a whole lot to search them out on the ship to see what new stuff they had to say because nothing that interested me really developed. It's not as bad as DA2 for me since I at least liked Vetra and Drack, but I'd probably say it's the second worst game in terms of characters that I liked for a BioWare game. I don't care about most of the characters in MEA. I don't know why, but there is a lack of connection between my Ryder and the companions in general, not just the LI. I personally don't find any of them attractive, so I guess I would say it's the worst Bioware game when it comes to LI I'm attracted to. The companions are just kinda dry in this game. Drack is my favorite, but he acts a bit like Wrex. Vetra is cool as well, she's the right hand man you can rely on like Garrus, some of the characters acted a bit like their counterpart in the trilogy. A lot of characters in this game lacks maturity in general. It's just a disappointment in general. I just don't feel the same connection as I am with the cast from previous games.
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