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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2017 4:50:47 GMT
I don't know why but a sudden thought occurred to me about asari biology, in particular their ability to reproduce. This is, as far as I can tell, an innate biotic ability. They have it from a relatively early age (if not birth) and can also use it to mind meld with other individuals, even if it doesn't result in a pregnancy (or however they have children).
This is all well and good except that in ME3 we learned that the Protheans genetically altered the asari to have innate biotic abilities. That suggests that they had no such abilities prior to this genetic tampering. It's not necessarily an invalid conclusion, either, since exposure to eezo is more likely to kill than create a biotic. However, that leads us to a question about how asari mated prior to being altered by the Protheans. If they are truly mono-gendered how did they reproduce before they could "embrace eternity"? Did the changes in them somehow cause males (or even a different gender that doesn't exist on Earth) of the species to cease to exist, even if unintentionally? And if that's the case, could it be what caused the Ardat-Yakshi to come into existence? I mean, it doesn't seem like such a thing as Ardat-Yakshi would naturally occur when mentally mating with a person of one's own species but not when done with another species.
It's all very weird to me. So I'm making a supposition that maybe there once was another gender of asari that was genetically engineered out of existence to allow asari to mate purely with their minds. This had a side effect of creating Ardat-Yakshi and forcing asari into having to mate with other species in order to survive since A-Y cannot have children.
Yes, I know this is off-the-wall, but it came to me really suddenly tonight. Thoughts?
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 12, 2017 5:31:44 GMT
Asari have a natural control over their nervous system regardless of biotics. This allows reproduction. The only way this is related to biotics is that it allows fine-tuning of powers, since biotics come from eezo nodules in the nervous system.
Hopefully that made sense, couldn't find the relevant codex entry.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 7:42:42 GMT
Well I never thought about that and now my mind is somewhat blown. I like the your theory, though I think BansheeOwnage is probably right about only biotics being affected by the Protheans. Which is a shame actually cause your theory is really cool and gives nice opportunities for headcannon.
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Post by stephenw32768 on May 12, 2017 17:53:35 GMT
Interesting.
Do we have any canonical information on whether Thessian fauna have two sexes? If they don't, it might be evidence that the asari evolved naturally from single-sex ancestors; but if they do, it might be evidence of some manner of genetic intervention.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 12, 2017 19:36:37 GMT
Asari have a natural control over their nervous system regardless of biotics. This allows reproduction. The only way this is related to biotics is that it allows fine-tuning of powers, since biotics come from eezo nodules in the nervous system. Hopefully that made sense, couldn't find the relevant codex entry. I was trying to sort it all out, even using the ME wiki. It seemed to suggest that the melding was a biotic ability so, for all I knew, it didn't always exist. We don't really know the extent to which the Protheans modified the asari. I mean, it probably wasn't as extreme as I'm suggesting but I was like, hey, why not?
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 12, 2017 21:27:06 GMT
Interesting. Do we have any canonical information on whether Thessian fauna have two sexes? If they don't, it might be evidence that the asari evolved naturally from single-sex ancestors; but if they do, it might be evidence of some manner of genetic intervention. On Earth, there are all-female lizard species, as well as species with males and females, so I don't think it means anything either way if Thessia has only monosexed species or not.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 13, 2017 3:30:47 GMT
I'm thinking the asari were telepathically and biotic capable but not very strong. The Protheans saw their potential and chose to augment them genetically.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 13, 2017 3:46:59 GMT
Which is funny because telepathy isn't a thing in ME, at least not for the most part. Asari can do their melding thing and Protheans can transmit memories. No other races have done anything beyond different types of telekinesis.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 13, 2017 3:50:13 GMT
Kind of feel like the Ardat-Yakshi's are the result of the Prothean genetic tampering. And error that crops up every now and thing due to the Prothean's genetically altering the Asari to be more powerful biotics.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 13, 2017 4:27:51 GMT
Which is funny because telepathy isn't a thing in ME, at least not for the most part. Asari can do their melding thing and Protheans can transmit memories. No other races have done anything beyond different types of telekinesis. I know but it still smacks of telepathy no matter how beautifully BW put it; embrace eternity! *stares with black eyes while happy mind surfing*
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Post by sinophile on May 14, 2017 8:22:53 GMT
I wrote a post about Male Asari, but don't feel like digging up the link to it. I think Asari hide their males for the same reason Krogans hide their females. I don't believe anyone on the Bioware writing team possessed a Biology degree. My question is, Can Asari mate with Chimpanzees since they are 97% human?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 14, 2017 14:11:43 GMT
I wrote a post about Male Asari, but don't feel like digging up the link to it. I think Asari hide their males for the same reason Krogans hide their females. I don't believe anyone on the Bioware writing team possessed a Biology degree. My question is, Can Asari mate with Chimpanzees since they are 97% human? What does their level of humanity have to do with anything? They can mate with elcor and those are 0% human. It's not clear how the process works. It may be that a sufficient level of intellect is required. So, for example, someone who is severely brain damaged would not be able to mate with an asari. I don't think asari are hiding their hypothetical males. If they were, it surely would have come out post-Thessia in ME3. You can't protect a group and seamlessly hide them during a galaxy-wide invasion.
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Post by chronos on May 14, 2017 16:59:20 GMT
I wrote a post about Male Asari, but don't feel like digging up the link to it. I think Asari hide their males for the same reason Krogans hide their females. I don't believe anyone on the Bioware writing team possessed a Biology degree. My question is, Can Asari mate with Chimpanzees since they are 97% human? Hmm. Perhaps the asari are like Earth's anglerfish, in that there are "males" that embed themselves into a female's body, re-absorb almost all of their internal organs, and function as sperm repositories for the female to use at her leisure. If you encountered a free-living asari male, at first glance you wouldn't even recognize it as being of the same species as the females, in the same way you wouldn't guess that a caterpillar and a butterfly are the same species. If the game developers had been bold enough, we might have had a reveal that each asari "hair tentacle" was actually a male asari parasitically attached to the female asari's head. More seriously, the asari are one of the biggest examples of Artistic License: Biology in Mass Effect 1, given that the meiotic recombination of genes was one of the major evolutionary advances that led to the success of us multi-cell eukaryotes. Multicellular eukaryotes with a single sex tend to be hermaphroditic, e.g. slugs and snails, rather than exclusively female -- and the few obligate parthenogens out there, such as whiptail lizards, tend to show signs of evolutionary stagnation (low diversity, decreased viability over time due to deleterious mutations accumulating across generations). You can get *some* of that back with recombination -- the games do mention "randomized genetic material" -- but it's not as powerful as combining two lineages.
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Post by fessels on May 14, 2017 23:07:01 GMT
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Post by dmc1001 on May 15, 2017 1:15:12 GMT
^^^ I've seen it. Part of it, anyway. I didn't agree with it very much.
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Post by fessels on May 15, 2017 9:17:17 GMT
Much of it no, but for instance the part where he shows how 3 different races see asari is interesting. ( At least I think so. )
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2017 0:09:10 GMT
Kind of feel like the Ardat-Yakshi's are the result of the Prothean genetic tampering. And error that crops up every now and thing due to the Prothean's genetically altering the Asari to be more powerful biotics. I think that as well, even if the other parts are unlikely (the second gender accidentally vanishing part).
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2017 0:11:37 GMT
Much of it no, but for instance the part where he shows how 3 different races see asari is interesting. ( At least I think so. ) I noticed the scene myself, which is the bachelor party in ME2 on Illium. I just read it that they focused on the traits similar to their own race since asari do seem to have traits in common with humans, salarians and turians. I guess that could be intentional on the part of the Protheans.
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Post by fessels on May 16, 2017 1:14:52 GMT
Much of it no, but for instance the part where he shows how 3 different races see asari is interesting. ( At least I think so. ) I noticed the scene myself, which is the bachelor party in ME2 on Illium. I just read it that they focused on the traits similar to their own race since asari do seem to have traits in common with humans, salarians and turians. I guess that could be intentional on the part of the Protheans. I agree, made/makes it easier for the Asari to do their thing, and gain traits that might have benefited the Protheans in their fight against the reapers back then. I personally doubt it would have turned the tide enough for the Protheans. Despite being more advanced then most other races they where defeated in the end and used afterwards.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2017 3:31:55 GMT
I thought that the Protheans designed the asari to be useful for the next cycle rather than their own. Hence, it would make sense for them to be attractive to species that might become prominent in the next cycle.
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Post by fessels on May 16, 2017 9:48:18 GMT
I thought that the Protheans designed the asari to be useful for the next cycle rather than their own. Hence, it would make sense for them to be attractive to species that might become prominent in the next cycle. That also makes sense. ( More actually. )
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 16, 2017 19:57:23 GMT
Would be cool if they revealed that Javik had only part of the story. Protheans didn't just uplift the asari, they created them.
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Post by fessels on May 16, 2017 20:14:18 GMT
Would be cool if they revealed that Javik had only part of the story. Protheans didn't just uplift the asari, they created them. Damn ... that would be something indeed.
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Post by Sondergaard on Jun 1, 2017 13:00:00 GMT
Would be cool if they revealed that Javik had only part of the story. Protheans didn't just uplift the asari, they created them. I was hoping for something like this. Either the protheans or the inussannon (sp?) or some other earlier cycle took some human females 50 or 100,000 years ago and dumped them on Thessia to see what would happen to them on an eezo-rich world. Voila, the asari. Would explain their striking similarity to human females. The other alien races are different enough that I can accept their similarities to us (evolution solving similar problems in pretty much the same way) but asari are just human females with funny headgear. Some sort of link in-game would have made sense rather than another Star Trek/Wars rubber headpiece alien.
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Post by sil on Jun 1, 2017 22:08:06 GMT
I'm pretty sure the asari were altered but already had biotic potential, I'm sure the way the protheans 'altered' them was more on a genetic and sociological level rather than bioticly.
From the planet description of Thessia:
From the Thessia codex entry:
From the Asari codex entry:
Another alien from Thessia that is bioticly active (CDN):
I highly doubt the idea that the males were engineered out of existence, and it seems unlikely the Protheans gifted them with biotic abilities, and also they don't reproduce using biotics (well, maybe when they're getting intimate they use it as it is natural).
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