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Edit: The discussion on this topic went complete sideways so if you're having issues with getting Mass Effect working in HDR mode, check out this topic on the Nvidia forums. Don't waste your time with this topic. I have a 1070 GPU and a Samsung KU7000 series UHD TV. I read the reviews of this game and decided not to buy it on release but after a while, I wanted to play something in HDR. I played Shadow Warrior 2 on 4K in HDR and it was alright. I thought I'd have a similar experience with Mass Effect but nope. I know there aren't many HDR games but I think this is the poorest implementation of 1it. Currently I don't have the Creators Update. I tried it 2 weeks ago and saw how it broke down HDR completely so I uninstalled it. I have the latest nvidia drivers. My output is set to 4.2.2 10bpc. So here's what's going on.. First of all, let's talk about the resolution. My GPU isn't powerful enough to run the game in 4K so I tried 1080p for my TV first. I enabled HDR and saw that the image was green. I changed chroma settings, tried every combination but that didn't help. I tried 2K and saw the colors were purple now. Several chroma settings, no luck. I then tried 4K and finally, the colors were correctly showing up. I had to dial down the resolution scaler to 1080p Auto for obvious reasons. Anyways, when I checked the HDR Brightness slider, I noticed that the image on the left and right were exactly the same no matter where I set it to. Only at 5% and below I can notice the brightness going down but then again the images still looked exactly the same. When I get into the game, the loading screen is too bright at first but after loading it for a while it turns back to what it really should look like. Then the game loads and I get blasted in the eyes by the brightness. When I'm outside, it's too bright. When I'm in a cave or something, it's completely dark. There is no in between. I tried all of the HDR brightness settings but it was the same. Oh and the cutscenes are over exposed (too bright) aswell. The issue is when the hardware HDR is enabled (HDR10), the software HDR is not disabled calibrated (if you've seen Half Life 2 Lost Coast demo -the first software HDR demo ever- you'll know what I mean). So when I look at a dark scene, it dims the brightness, down to a point where I can't make anything on the screen. And when I look at the scenery at EOS or whatever, I get blasted in the face by the sunlight. It's either over exposed and saturated (yeah colors too) or completely dark. I was wondering if there was a solution to this. |
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Post by Sanunes on May 12, 2017 19:58:18 GMT
To me it sounds like a compatibility issue with the version of HDR they are using for the game (probably whatever they are using for the Playstation Pro) and your monitor. I don't know about your monitor specifically, but HDR standards weren't finalized until recently so monitors and televisions that are more then a year or two old might have HDR that isn't compatible with what games are using.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 12, 2017 21:33:51 GMT
To me it sounds like a compatibility issue with the version of HDR they are using for the game (probably whatever they are using for the Playstation Pro) and your monitor. I don't know about your monitor specifically, but HDR standards weren't finalized until recently so monitors and televisions that are more then a year or two old might have HDR that isn't compatible with what games are using.I will look for this when I buy my monitor in June. Thank you for the question OP and thank you for the answer Sanunes. |
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Post by turtal on May 12, 2017 23:02:14 GMT
It's a 2016 TV, not a computer display (as I stated several times. lol aren't you guys reading?). Also, UHD in TV's mean 3 things. Peak brightness of 1000 nits, 4K resolution and the wider colour range (on PC's, UHD only means 4K). My TV can't do 1000 nits, it peaks at 300 (yet why it's called UHD is beyond me).
As for HDR PC displays, the ones that are going to be released soon starts at 1000$ so good luck with that. That being said, I can't wait to get my hands on a HDR PC monitor when the prices drop. The difference is clear as night and day. And I'm not talking about 4K here. It's the wider color range. It really makes a difference.
Anyways, I've watched Grand Tour in HDR, played Shadow Warrior 2 and they all looked fine. Currently I'm playing the game on my ultrawide display in SDR but I'd rather finish it on my TV.
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Post by Sanunes on May 13, 2017 1:25:26 GMT
It's a 2016 TV, not a computer display (as I stated several times. lol aren't you guys reading?). Also, UHD in TV's mean 3 things. Peak brightness of 1000 nits, 4K resolution and the wider colour range (on PC's, UHD only means 4K). My TV can't do 1000 nits, it peaks at 300 (yet why it's called UHD is beyond me). As for HDR PC displays, the ones that are going to be released soon starts at 1000$ so good luck with that. That being said, I can't wait to get my hands on a HDR PC monitor when the prices drop. The difference is clear as night and day. And I'm not talking about 4K here. It's the wider color range. It really makes a difference. Anyways, I've watched Grand Tour in HDR, played Shadow Warrior 2 and they all looked fine. Currently I'm playing the game on my ultrawide display in SDR but I'd rather finish it on my TV. For me anymore due to just using televisions as monitors I use the term monitor for any display connected to a computer, just a byproduct of my experiences. Unfortunately UHD doesn't guarantee those stats unless you have a sticker saying it is "UHD Premium" and not all companies are even going down that route such as Sony is doing their own thing, for there are no obligations to meet those standards to be a UHD display unlike the resolutions for declaring it a 4K television for example. |
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Post by turtal on May 13, 2017 17:21:31 GMT
Haha yeah that's the thing. This TV was marketed as "UHD Premium" but as you said, there are a lot of standarts in the industry. There's dolby vision, there's HDR10 and now (if I'm not mistaken) Amazon is in collaboration with a big company about creating their own "standart".
There's also the fact that samsung likes to lie about their products. For instance, this TV i'm using is actually a rebranded KU6300 model. They put the same TV in a box, update the firmware so it says KU7000 in the settings, label it as KU7000 and market it like it's a new product. At least they stopped lying about their refresh rates by not disclaming the refresh rate of the TV's they sell.
Anways, I digress. Still looking for somebody who played this game with a PC, on a HDR display. Anybody from EA or Bioware maybe?
Should I create a ticket?
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Post by griffith82 on May 13, 2017 17:29:53 GMT
I don't know what version of 1070 you have but I have the EVGA FTW 1070 edition and it is more than powerful enough to do 4K just at a max of about 30. Your FPS is also due to your CPU. Now I have a 2017 52 inch Sony Bravia 4K UHD HDR TV and the in game HDR works fine in 1080 for me. Must be a conflict with your Tv and game.
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Post by turtal on May 14, 2017 6:25:49 GMT
With 1000 series it doesn't matter which brand you buy. All the 1070's hit 2000~2100Mhz assuming you have decent airflow inside your case. The only difference is the gimmicks AIB partners add to their cards (like EVGA's latest ICX over-designed cooler and their power delivery sensors etc). Apart from those, strictly speaking of performance, they're all the same (unless you get a founders card. those tend to overclock further if you watercool it) As for the CPU, I'm using a overclocked 6700K ( full specs). 30 fps is not acceptable for me. I'm a PC gamer and I value frame times. I feel the difference of 60fps (16ms frametime) versus 30fps (32ms frametime). I prefer smooth gameplay compared to 4K graphics. I don't care about that. I'd rather set my resolution to 4K, set the resolution slider to auto 1080p, max the game out and play it at 60fps. Besides my problem is not the performance anyway. It's the brightness. |
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Post by sinophile on May 14, 2017 7:19:52 GMT
Anyone else find OP pretentious and annoying? Sounds to me like you are a console gamer pretending to be a PC gamer. If you are playing on a TV, you might as well buy a console and stop pretending. My Samsung pretty much automatically detects HDR. I am guessing you either have HDR turned off on either the tv or on the video output options.
As for Bioware and/or EA caring, HDR only affects a small percentage of players. Even after patch 1.06, ME:A is still full of other bugs. Just tonight I lost an hour of gameplay because this door decided not to open inside the Tempest.
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"Sounds to me like you are a console gamer pretending to be a PC gamer" hahahahahah That made me laugh so hard. Honestly.. Thank you for being you. Especially when you consider I've been gaming since age of 4 starting with a commodore64 and amiga (I'm 32yrs old and gaming eversince by the way). To nail my point, I'm just gonna share my steam profile, make it public for couple days and revert the privacy settings afterwards. steamcommunity.com/id/doovde/It says 12 years of service in case you're incapable of paying attention. I'll take the annoying part but you can't call someone pretentious who sunk 3000 hours in one single game. Check out the games, check out my screenshots, check the videos attached to my profile. And that's just my steam profile. There are a lot of stuff that steam doesn't keep track of (like the games I played even before steam existed) but at this point you already know that right? I remember EA burying Westwood and Bullfrog. Who do you think you are talking to? 13 year old kid? At this point I have to ask? Do you do this a lot? Make wild assumptions about the people you have no clue about? If so, thread carefully my friend. One day it might bite you in the ass. I would also like to see your steam profile. "If you are playing on a TV buy a console and stop pretending" huh. That's just wow. I rarely game on my TV. Just because I have 2 displays (one ultrawide PC display and a UHD TV hooked up to my system) I'm being accused of being a pretender. Did you even try this game on a ultrawide display? Apperantly not so let me fill you in. Ghost Recon Wildlands has perfect support for ultrawide screens. The HUD is properly calibrated for 21:9 screens and all the cutscenes are in full screen, unlike Mass Effect. I don't like seeing pillarboxes when I'm watching a cutscene so I'd rather play the game on my ONLY 16:9 display, which happens to be a HDR TV. And that makes me pretentious. Hahahahahahaha, again buddy, thanks. Your comment put a smile on my face. |
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on May 15, 2017 9:48:39 GMT
Try changing Frame Buffer in the game settings?
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Post by turtal on May 16, 2017 5:18:03 GMT
Thank you all for your suggestions (except that guy) but honestly, at this point I don't care. I updated my GPU drivers a few days ago (I don't have CU on my box and I don't intend to install it anytime soon because it's a buggy mess. reminded you of something?) and HDR stopped working in ME:A.
TL;DR: If you're buying this game to play on a HDR display, don't. This game has so many issues, Bioware will probably fix those before getting into fixing HDR. I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Again, thank you all (except that guy).
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Post by joglee on May 16, 2017 6:09:17 GMT
Anyone else find OP pretentious and annoying? Sounds to me like you are a console gamer pretending to be a PC gamer. If you are playing on a TV, you might as well buy a console and stop pretending. My Samsung pretty much automatically detects HDR. I am guessing you either have HDR turned off on either the tv or on the video output options. As for Bioware and/or EA caring, HDR only affects a small percentage of players. Even after patch 1.06, ME:A is still full of other bugs. Just tonight I lost an hour of gameplay because this door decided not to open inside the Tempest. I use TV's as monitors as well. There is still a huge difference in PC max vs PS4. |
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Post by sinophile on May 17, 2017 2:29:36 GMT
My 970M on min settings looks better than console. There is nothing wrong with choosing one or the other. I simply found it humorous and arrogant when OP says,"I am a PC Gamer and demand a very high frame rate on my 60hz tv". Also, he insults people who try to help him.
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Post by oliveru on May 17, 2017 22:59:30 GMT
HDR is a mess.
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I think it is the NVidia drivers and the new Windows Update. With 378.xx HDR automatically switched on in game and looked really good, now it doesn't activate anymore. Also if I enable it in Windows 10's new HDR option with Creators Update - it looks like a mess, too bright or dark with false colors. Hopefully NVidia / MS / and/or Game Devs get this fixed. It really ennoys me, I'm waiting to continue playing the game for +1month because of this issue.
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With 1000 series it doesn't matter which brand you buy. All the 1070's hit 2000~2100Mhz assuming you have decent airflow inside your case. The only difference is the gimmicks AIB partners add to their cards (like EVGA's latest ICX over-designed cooler and their power delivery sensors etc). Apart from those, strictly speaking of performance, they're all the same (unless you get a founders card. those tend to overclock further if you watercool it) As for the CPU, I'm using a overclocked 6700K ( full specs). 30 fps is not acceptable for me. I'm a PC gamer and I value frame times. I feel the difference of 60fps (16ms frametime) versus 30fps (32ms frametime). I prefer smooth gameplay compared to 4K graphics. I don't care about that. I'd rather set my resolution to 4K, set the resolution slider to auto 1080p, max the game out and play it at 60fps. Besides my problem is not the performance anyway. It's the brightness. Uh mine hits higher than that so yeah it matters and people like you are why console gamers aren't fond of us. I've been gaming longer than you (Atari) and I can say that there is little difference between 30 and 49 FPS if it's steady. If you are going for full 4K you need way more than you've got. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 18, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
on my ps4pro and my ks7000 HDR makes a difference. its way more natural lookiing with it. i cannot go back .
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on May 18, 2017 13:34:46 GMT
With 1000 series it doesn't matter which brand you buy. All the 1070's hit 2000~2100Mhz assuming you have decent airflow inside your case. The only difference is the gimmicks AIB partners add to their cards (like EVGA's latest ICX over-designed cooler and their power delivery sensors etc). Apart from those, strictly speaking of performance, they're all the same (unless you get a founders card. those tend to overclock further if you watercool it) As for the CPU, I'm using a overclocked 6700K ( full specs). 30 fps is not acceptable for me. I'm a PC gamer and I value frame times. I feel the difference of 60fps (16ms frametime) versus 30fps (32ms frametime). I prefer smooth gameplay compared to 4K graphics. I don't care about that. I'd rather set my resolution to 4K, set the resolution slider to auto 1080p, max the game out and play it at 60fps. Besides my problem is not the performance anyway. It's the brightness. Uh mine hits higher than that so yeah it matters and people like you are why console gamers aren't fond of us. I've been gaming longer than you (Atari) and I can say that there is little difference between 30 and 49 FPS if it's steady. If you are going for full 4K you need way more than you've got. That isn't remotely true. 30fps is absolutely unacceptable to me as well. If my frames are under 60 I don't play the game. |
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I meant to put 60 FPS not 49 but you guys who can't live with FPS under 60 make me laugh. I'd 60 better? Yes but the difference is minimal unless you are going 4K.
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on May 18, 2017 17:56:20 GMT
I meant to put 60 FPS not 49 but you guys who can't live with FPS under 60 make me laugh. I'd 60 better? Yes but the difference is minimal unless you are going 4K. So that means you're even more incorrect. Maybe you can't tell the difference, but the majority of people can. |
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Post by wellsoul2 on May 18, 2017 19:35:23 GMT
You need a better GPU to run it native at 4K.
I have both 2K and 4K 32 in Monitors and I had to switch back to the 2K to play Andromeda with 2 x GTX970 which is equivalent to a 1070.
Isn't HDR kind of messed up with this game anyway? Whenever I enter a cave or go out in sunlight I am blind for 15 seconds at least.
I suppose that could seem "immersive" but seems dumb when after 15 seconds the dark cave is bright as the rest.
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I meant to put 60 FPS not 49 but you guys who can't live with FPS under 60 make me laugh. I'd 60 better? Yes but the difference is minimal unless you are going 4K. So that means you're even more incorrect. Maybe you can't tell the difference, but the majority of people can. No I'm not there is a difference between 30 FPS and 60 but you guys make it sound like 30 FPS unplayable and it isn't. The biggest difference is going from 60 to 120 but you need at least two cards and ab144hrz monitor. |
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You need a better GPU to run it native at 4K. I have both 2K and 4K 32 in Monitors and I had to switch back to the 2K to play Andromeda with 2 x GTX970 which is equivalent to a 1070. Isn't HDR kind of messed up with this game anyway? Whenever I enter a cave or go out in sunlight I am blind for 15 seconds at least. I suppose that could seem "immersive" but seems dumb when after 15 seconds the dark cave is bright as the rest. The HDR can be bright but I quite like it. |
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My 970M on min settings looks better than console. There is nothing wrong with choosing one or the other. I simply found it humorous and arrogant when OP says,"I am a PC Gamer and demand a very high frame rate on my 60hz tv". Also, he insults people who try to help him.  I never said "I DEMAND VERY HIGH FRAME RATE RAWR!" in any of my posts. I said consistent frame times. Read this article and educate yourself. Frame rates and frame times are two different things. Also if I was after the highest refresh rate I wouldn't go out and buy a 60Hz Ultrawide IPS monitor, I would buy a 1080p 144Hz TN monitor (or if I had the money, I'd buy the Acer Predator X34, which is a curved ultrawide QHD 100hz g-sync enabled IPS beast). I preferred wider FOV instead of those things. I just made sure it's input lag is acceptable (and as it turns out it's nonexistent -Asus MX299Q-). As for the "you are insulting people who are trying to help you" bit.. No, I'm just insulting you because you insulted me first. When I said "It's a 2016 TV, not a computer display (as I stated several times. lol aren't you guys reading?)" I was joking, I wasn't serious or anything and that's because I've never heard people refer their TV's as displays before. For me, a display is a PC monitor and that's probably because English is not my native language. I corrected that mistake in my mind and moved on. You choose to get offended by it and then accused me of being pretentious by saying "Sounds to me like you are a console gamer pretending to be a PC gamer". That's rich, especially when you consider the last console I owned was a PS3. I'm assuming you're on a Xbox One and a 970M equipped laptop? Again, very rich.. For the rest of you all, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying "if you're gaming on a console you don't deserve to live on this planet". Consoles have their advantages, I have musician friends who are not very tech savvy and a console is a perfect fit for them. They don't want to bother updating their graphics drivers or doing maintenance, they just wanna put a disc to their console and start playing their games as hassle free as possible. I get that. My intention was never to offend console owners. You choose to game on a console, okay, have fun and do your thing. I'm not gonna bash it over your head. But when a console player comes and tells me that I'm "pretentding to be a PC player"? Well, I'm not gonna let that slide.. Meanwhile, the HDR discussion has completely gone off track.. I'll get back to that. oliveru : Exactly. I'm on the 4th planet and I played most of it on my PC display. HDR is broken, at least for me. griffith82 : My intentions was never getting 60FPS at 4K anyway. The reason I choose 4K resolution as I explained before is because that's the only resolution this game gives me better color results. Not completely correct mind you. Just slightly better compared to 2K and 1080p. I'm a realistic person. I know I can't hit 60FPS at 4K with a single 1070. I just set my output resolution to 4K and set the internal resolution slider to 1080p (so the game is drawing a 1080p image eventhough it's outputting a 4K signal). But even that doesn't correct the HDR issues. ioannisdenton : I know. The moment I started Shadow Warrior 2 in HDR, I gave a look to my PC monitor and wished it was HDR capable. The difference HDR makes.. Sweet jeebus. Also I'm gonna have to get a PS4Pro at one point. Waiting for Red Dead Redemption 2. I hope they support HDR too. I really do. |
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