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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 14, 2018 12:36:26 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Dec 14, 2018 12:37:18 GMT
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A few technical difficulties there but we're back on track. Please recast your votes as the poll had to be restarted, thank you. Fine. I don't mind killing the elf again. excellent.
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Post by melbella on Dec 14, 2018 12:57:31 GMT
A few technical difficulties there but we're back on track. Please recast your votes as the poll had to be restarted, thank you. Re-voted. I didn't see the poll at first and wondered what the heck you were talking about!
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Post by eternalgoddess on Dec 14, 2018 13:01:59 GMT
I think Solas will die either way by you or Mythal once she's done with him.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 14, 2018 13:10:48 GMT
A few technical difficulties there but we're back on track. Please recast your votes as the poll had to be restarted, thank you. Re-voted. I didn't see the poll at first and wondered what the heck you were talking about! I added it
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Dec 14, 2018 13:13:57 GMT
Re-voted. I didn't see the poll at first and wondered what the heck you were talking about! I added it I put it in, then SJ did some technical fixes for me and it disappeared again. Thanks Andrew.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 14, 2018 13:27:35 GMT
Casting my vote for “need more information.”
It’s pretty hard to make a judgment about Solas’ plan when we don’t know what will happen if he fails. Lots of people seem to be ignoring the very real possibility that we’re picking between two apocalypses — a temporary apocalypse due to Veil removal, or a permanent Blight.
Or indeed the possibility that Solas, who we know mourns societies as if they were people (see his discussions with Varric) is overstating the destruction that would result from removing the Veil, because he considers the death of a culture or a particular way of life to be as bad or worse than actual people dying.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 14, 2018 16:15:57 GMT
Casting my vote for “need more information.” It’s pretty hard to make a judgment about Solas’ plan when we don’t know what will happen if he fails. Lots of people seem to be ignoring the very real possibility that we’re picking between two apocalypses — a temporary apocalypse due to Veil removal, or a permanent Blight. Or indeed the possibility that Solas, who we know mourns societies as if they were people (see his discussions with Varric) is overstating the destruction that would result from removing the Veil, because he considers the death of a culture or a particular way of life to be as bad or worse than actual people dying. Both are indeed possibilities, and we do need more info. It’s normal that people interpret what he said differently. I personally find it unlikely that he didn’t mean that people would die in his dialogue, expecially in the part after asking about his involvement in stopping the Qunari, but I’m open to the possibility of being wrong and one of the other interpretations (or another one, who knows) to be true. I don’t think Bioware would put us in the situation of choosing between a permanent Blight or the destruction of the Veil, if the latter would indeed mean that people would die as a result of the latter.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 14, 2018 18:14:53 GMT
Casting my vote for “need more information.” It’s pretty hard to make a judgment about Solas’ plan when we don’t know what will happen if he fails. Lots of people seem to be ignoring the very real possibility that we’re picking between two apocalypses — a temporary apocalypse due to Veil removal, or a permanent Blight. Or indeed the possibility that Solas, who we know mourns societies as if they were people (see his discussions with Varric) is overstating the destruction that would result from removing the Veil, because he considers the death of a culture or a particular way of life to be as bad or worse than actual people dying. Both are indeed possibilities, and we do need more info. It’s normal that people interpret what he said differently. I personally find it unlikely that he didn’t mean that people would die in his dialogue, expecially in the part after asking about his involvement in stopping the Qunari, but I’m open to the possibility of being wrong and one of the other interpretations (or another one, who knows) to be true. Oh, I agree that removing the Veil has approximately 0% chance of being bloodless. I’m not suggesting that he was excluding individual-level death from his dire descriptions, but I do think the potential for cultural death may have colored the intensity of his descriptions.
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Post by tatarforas on Dec 14, 2018 19:54:04 GMT
I'll do both, but for my main characters I'll save him.
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Post by tatarforas on Dec 14, 2018 20:19:02 GMT
I'm surprised how many of you (referring to the poll) want to save Solas. You realize what is ambitions/goals are for Theadas? Killing him is a waste, and as others have stated might not even be a permanent solution, with his knowledge he could still greatly improve the lives of elves around Thedas.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 14, 2018 20:38:49 GMT
I'm surprised how many of you (referring to the poll) want to save Solas. You realize what is ambitions/goals are for Theadas? Killing him is a waste, and as others have stated might not even be a permanent solution, with his knowledge he could still greatly improve the lives of elves around Thedas. Too bad he doesn’t want to help the elves around Thedas, and instead wants to genocide all of them as well as the other races to bring back only the ancient elves.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 14, 2018 21:51:19 GMT
I say kill him, He's a bald evil elf and he should be absent his head.
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Post by bigj01 on Dec 14, 2018 22:40:52 GMT
I’m gonna try to save him, he was my Inquisitors bestie for the whole game and he’s among my favourite characters in the whole franchise. Fucking egg.
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Post by jnericsonx on Dec 15, 2018 0:24:02 GMT
Kill him probably. Look, what Anders did was crappy, let's keep it real, but what he did-he did not do expecting the MAJORITY of people to wind up dying. What Solas wants to do has worse life/death odds than frigging Thanos!
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Post by Cybear on Dec 15, 2018 0:37:03 GMT
Killing him is likely to be my canonical choice, or at least that's what I'm thinking now. Thing is I'm not sure how much trouble he's actually going to cause in DA4. If it's something minor, or only takes up a small portion of the game (like the mage/templar plot did in Inquisition) and there's some kind of 'bigger badder' guy, then I'm likely to redeem him, if only because he's a good guy to have on your side in a pinch. However if he is the main villain of the game, then I'm probably going to kill him, if only as justice for all the harm he caused. (And that's another thing that I'll take into consideration, how much chaos he caused. The ongoing theory is that he will bring down the veil, and get at least some portion of his plan into action - but that's not assured yet. If the damage is minimal then I'll have to reconsider my stance again.)
There's also a less practical side that needs to be taken into account - the narrative. As in, what works best for the flow of the story? Will picking one option over the other weaken him as a character? As a slightly out of context example, during my renegade PTs of the ME trilogy I always kill Mordin, even if I get the option to save him. Why? Because his character's motivations and arc suffer greatly if he manages to do a 360 at the end. His whole 'is the genophage truly justified?' ponders are made moot, and his character, at least in my opinion, is spoiled. Not saying that something like that is going to happen with Solas, but given that his motivations are a huge part of the reason why he's gone bad, it's not something that isn't a viable outcome.
But the question is kind of moot with me anyways, as I'll likely do both options at some point. But my canon PT is unknown. (But I am leaning towards killing him as of now.)
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 15, 2018 1:42:54 GMT
Casting my vote for “need more information.” It’s pretty hard to make a judgment about Solas’ plan when we don’t know what will happen if he fails. Lots of people seem to be ignoring the very real possibility that we’re picking between two apocalypses — a temporary apocalypse due to Veil removal, or a permanent Blight. Or indeed the possibility that Solas, who we know mourns societies as if they were people (see his discussions with Varric) is overstating the destruction that would result from removing the Veil, because he considers the death of a culture or a particular way of life to be as bad or worse than actual people dying.Very much true. Regardless of what somebody thinks of Solas, he's established the story as someone who a.) believes in freedom of thought/expression and dislikes imposing his will on anyone else b.) appreciates knowledge and culture and hates the loss it. And tearing the Veil and either significantly changing or destroying people would effectively do both. In spades. That's far from saying that such change wouldn't be violent or harrowing or whatever. Clearly, Solas thinks that what he's about to do will be terrible - but IMO those who think that only full-blown destruction and death to most/everybody are terrible are both missing forest for the trees as well as miss the fact that it's not the only thing Solas would find abhorrent and/or eternal punishment-worthy. We only have to look at Tranquility - something Solas despises, btw. It's specifically used in order to avoid killing people, yet it's oft described as something worse than death. And while I'm not sure we can put equality sign between Tranquility and whatever Solas is doing (if anything, whatever he's cooking is probably something on the opposite side of the spectrum), we already know that he feels terribly remorseful about taking the conscious connection to the Fade from most people (nevermind the subsequent collapse of a civilization and change it facilitated) - so he wouldn't be any less horrified if he'd have to impose his will on people and force radical change in them yet again.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 15, 2018 3:36:14 GMT
Casting my vote for “need more information.” It’s pretty hard to make a judgment about Solas’ plan when we don’t know what will happen if he fails. Lots of people seem to be ignoring the very real possibility that we’re picking between two apocalypses — a temporary apocalypse due to Veil removal, or a permanent Blight. Or indeed the possibility that Solas, who we know mourns societies as if they were people (see his discussions with Varric) is overstating the destruction that would result from removing the Veil, because he considers the death of a culture or a particular way of life to be as bad or worse than actual people dying.Very much true. Regardless of what somebody thinks of Solas, he's established the story as someone who a.) believes in freedom of thought/expression and dislikes imposing his will on anyone else b.) appreciates knowledge and culture and hates the loss it. And tearing the Veil and either significantly changing or destroying people would effectively do both. In spades. Yep. And when you put it that way, it’s really highlighting an interesting dissonance between Solas’ Dread Wolf image, and his personal values. He’s the god of rebellion, but he hates when societies change. Now, maybe this is just one of those cases where — of course — the larger-than-life persona will sometimes conflict with the views of the real, individual person. But this particular mismatch hits right on that conversation he has with Sera, where she explains that overt revolution will just lead to new assholes in power, and the same status quo. That conversation is itself a mirror to Isabela’s conversation with Justice, where she explains that following justice to its logical conclusion leads to a neverending cycle of injustice. In both cases, Solas and Justice are surprised, as if they’ve never considered that possibility themselves. And in Justice’s case, we know how that ends — he acknowledges the possibility of circular revenge, and does his thing anyway. Injustice is not his enemy, it’s his ally, a ready supplier of opportunities to mete out more justice. In the same way, Fen’Harel’s dislike for cultural loss isn’t really a contradiction. If a revolutionary successfully changes a society from oppressive to benign, he is redundant. What more is there to rebel against? Change a little, change superficially, change a lot, but never where it truly counts. Ensure rebellion is always necessary. I doubt Solas realizes this is the pattern he’s following (hence his surprise in the conversation with Sera), but it’s helped him keep his influence over the years. ...and with another post about spirits, I continue my slow but steady transformation into Vivienne. It’s not that I think all spirits are evil per se, but their qualities naturally lead to an alien “blue and orange” morality, which is extremely dangerous for mortals who don’t realize what they’re dealing with.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 15, 2018 4:34:35 GMT
Very much true. Regardless of what somebody thinks of Solas, he's established the story as someone who a.) believes in freedom of thought/expression and dislikes imposing his will on anyone else b.) appreciates knowledge and culture and hates the loss it. And tearing the Veil and either significantly changing or destroying people would effectively do both. In spades. Yep. And when you put it that way, it’s really highlighting an interesting dissonance between Solas’ Dread Wolf image, and his personal values. He’s the god of rebellion, but he hates when societies change. Hmmm... I'm not sure 'rebellion' is such a defining characteristic of Solas. Even if he has something of a rebellious or proactive streak, he didn't rebel because that's in his nature - in fact, he has all the markings of a reluctant hero (paralleling with Inky to an extent). He seemed to have snapped only when he got concrete evidence (in Deep Roads in Trespasser) that the gods are doing something that will destroy the world if somebody doesn't stop them. He's someone who acted because he had to, even if not in a way he ever wanted ("he wants to give wisdom, not orders"). In the same way, Solas doesn't appear to be postulating for change for the sake of change, but actually for the sake of preservation (of life, even if not civilization) OR... and here's where I'm going to use a charged phrase - social justice (denouncement of slavery, class, and idea of god-kings; or prejudice against magic or spirits in modern Thedas). Again, I'm not sure if what we're talking about is surprise. I think it's more Solas's personal frustrations, as well something he may have actually spent most of his extended Fade vacation brooding about.
IMO that exchange (as do many exchanges he has with companions) touches at something very, VERY personal - namely, his involvement or perhaps even helping to establish Evanuris as a thing. So when he's talking with Sera and she mentions that lopping the top just makes place for the new one ... oh that must've stung. That must've stung because this is probably where the root of Solas's guilt lays. He helped these folks come to power and then they turned into tyrants and forced his hand to lift the Veil - lopped the top again, only to watch new empires rise and new tyrants exploiting people.
And I don't think that necessarily comes from 'circular revenge' or lack of consideration that it may end that way (or just mindless rebellion). I just think that, deep down, there's a romantic sap that WANTS to believe that people can come together and work to build something better, especially if given time and guidance. But he gets constantly let down and thus he grows more bitter and distant, and the shell of the Dread Wolf hardens around him, while he turns into this cynical, ultra-pragmatic guy to whom all that matters is calculation in name of survival and victory. To paraphrase Solas when he pretty blatantly psychologically projects at Leliana: 'he has a brilliant mind, but his faith (in people, in himself, in his own values) was damaged. For him, it is all a game of tactics now'.
And what things like discussions with Sera do is they bring forth emotions he thought he had buried and expose his tragedy - he's the guy who wants to believe in the world, wants to see it free and thriving, but because the world is full of a-holes and complications, he finds himself in a position where he has to destroy it or impose his will on it... thus, ultimately, pulled in a position where he may yet end up as the very things he hates. It's a tragedy or rebellion, but not one that is cyclical but one that is hopeful - and then has these hopes dashed against rocks, when the new top simply doesn't live up to its original purpose (as it frequently happens, which makes the effort to change things for the better look futile).
To put it simply - Solas may be an ancient, immortal god-like creature... but he's not a God of Rebellion nor a spirit of Pride. That's' not what defines or ultimately compels him. His character is distinctly 'human', with similar virtues and flaws, hence why his (potentially deep) relationship with Inquisition or Inquisitor was even possible in the first place, or why he views distinctly mortal and not necessarily remarkable (in terms of own power or familiarity with Fade or ancient secrets) Inquisitor as his counterpart (*cough*and maybe even potential successor*cough*).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2018 4:39:54 GMT
His character is distinctly 'human', with similar virtues and flaws, hence why his (potentially deep) relationship with Inquisition or Inquisitor was even possible in the first place, or why he views distinctly mortal and not necessarily remarkable (in terms of own power or familiarity with Fade or ancient secrets) Inquisitor as his counterpart (*cough*and maybe even potential successor*cough*). I've seen you say this before. What do you mean when you say that the Inquisitor will be Solas' successor? There are a few ways that could go so was curious if you could offer some clarification.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 15, 2018 5:32:43 GMT
His character is distinctly 'human', with similar virtues and flaws, hence why his (potentially deep) relationship with Inquisition or Inquisitor was even possible in the first place, or why he views distinctly mortal and not necessarily remarkable (in terms of own power or familiarity with Fade or ancient secrets) Inquisitor as his counterpart (*cough*and maybe even potential successor*cough*). I've seen you say this before. What do you mean when you say that the Inquisitor will be Solas' successor? There are a few ways that could go so was curious if you could offer some clarification. Yea, it's admittedly yet another pet theory of mine (hence brackets), but one which I didn't just pull out of nowhere. There's just something about (very intentional) iconography as well as a sequence of events that make me think that Inquisitor ain't a 'mere' counterpart, but someone who may have been anointed to succeed Solas. I'm not entirely sure when, how and for what purpose, but it's something that I see peeking at me from all the subtext and sometimes even straightforward text. It's not just the fact that Inquisitor miraculously acquired or wields part of his power, even if temporarily, or all the intentional parallels between characters and their role within the narrative. I think the most blatant pointer is him basically gifting Inquisitor his castle (and throne hidden there) and then paints the story of Inquisitor on its walls (with the unfinished space there suggesting the story is not yet over), when all the other murals he painted before were detailing his experiences and the story of his life. It's all very symbolic, going beyond just Inquisition needing home in the story. I'd mention some elements of tarot cards, especially Hierophant, but it may be just too esoteric. Or the whole post-Temple of Mythal dialogue with Solas which clearly goes beyond just asking about what Inquisitor will do next. There are several layers there to consider and even dialogue with Inquisitor he dislikes suggests that he didn't just write them down as useless, but instead found it pertinent to mention that Inquisitor doesn't give up and never stops trying (even if the consequences are grave, hmmmm.....). Also, there's the (pointed out by devs more than once, so they obviously want us to pay attention to this) intentional parallel between post-epilogue scene with Mythal and Solas and Inky approaching the Dread Wolf in Trespasser. The short scenes where Solas/Inquisitor approaches the one nearer the eluvian - they mirror one another so closely that it basically screams "THIS IS IMPORTANT!". I mean, we know what happened later in the post-epilogue scene: Mythal has sacrificed whatever power she had so Solas could continue his mission because 'the People need him'. He basically succeded her in terms of pushing the story from the side of ancient god-kings with some plans towards the world. It's only prudent to ask then what are Solas's full plans towards Inquisitor, especially that he very specifically went out of his way to save them, let them learn some of his story and then led them on his trail.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 15, 2018 10:26:02 GMT
Can I request a 3rd option? Bind him like Erasthenes. Killing him might be letting him off too easy.
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Post by arumi on Dec 15, 2018 12:59:46 GMT
The debate about kill/save Solas (and the people firmly on each side) just proves yet again that Patrick Weekes did a spectacular job writing him. Even the massive amount of info we got in Trespasser was carefully written so that it could be subject to interpretation (for example, specifically how much destruction would occur upon removing the veil). Bravo again, Mr. Weekes.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 15, 2018 13:45:42 GMT
Saving him because I find it to be the more interesting outcome.
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Post by Solas on Dec 15, 2018 13:59:47 GMT
I don't knooooow, I'm conflicted. I think personally I want to save him (I think) - quelle surprise!, that I like him, I know however I think I also currently disagree with his plans - or how I interpret them anyway - and my canon Inquisitor has vowed to stop him, because that's what she would do.
BUT. but but but. it just depends, on so much stuff.
is there a Big Bad beyond Solas and he's more of a Loghain secondary antagonist? am I playing my Inquisitor or a New Hero? is the New Hero an elf (or can they be, that should say)? what's the New Hero's stake in all this? what do they come to know about Solas and how do they perceive him and the threat he poses? how much interaction do they have with the Inquisitor, if any - because that could potentially color how they see things, hearing about him and what he's done from them, whether that's sympathy or hatred or whatever else that they espouse. what traits and personality do I assign New Hero? what values? and if they're an elf, is their background a Tevinter slave? an elf from the very bottom of Tevinter's ladder, who has suffered throughout their life because of it and bore direct witness to what it's like to be such a person in Tevinter society, might be more inclined to say fuck it all and throw their lot in with Fen'Harel and want to bring about the elven glory of the past and restore them. because surely anything is better than this, and heck maybe throw in some notions of justice/vengeance for the whole situation too.
Deception comic spoilers:
we see an example of such elves, in the last issue of Deception, as I interpreted them anyhow
in addition, what new stuff is revealed about Solas' plans in the next game? there's still a lot that we don't know about them. the lines he gives us about them in Trespasser are deliberately vague both by him in-character, as he doesn't want to show all his cards, and deliberately written that way by the writers for 1) dramatic tension, mystery, keep us guessing and wondering and a hook for the next game 2) because Solas is a gray sort of character, the lines are meant to be polarizing and not 100% one way or the other interpretation wise. you can see this in how some people are very sure that what he plans will cause mass genocide and is abhorrent, and other people think otherwise and that maybe even his plans is what Thedas needs, or want to help him etc. if the writers pull an elven Jesus and actually Solas was right all along and Solas' plans is the only way to stop a crazy Superblight or red lyrium spreading and corrupting the entire world, well then. idk, he seems to know Something. another example is how people disagree over whether 'elves' as he uses it means all elves including modern elves or just the ancient elves.
also what new stuff does he get up to in DA4? what he does in his role as an antagonist will also be an influence.
finally it depends on how things are framed in the game. context, RP, the narrative. I cannot metagame and I can't pick choices which would be out of character. I also can only make choices based on what my character knows - we have all these theories connecting Solas stuff to the old gods, Blights etc but my Inquisitor for example does not - and how they would feel at the time. using the Inquisitor as an example, to do anything other than oppose him at the end of Trespasser would be character-breaking. she cannot risk her people on hoping that she could change his mind or that the world of the elves he talks about is for all elves, not just those who came before. to her there, he is a threat and so must be eliminated.
tl;dr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk my bff jill there are 2 many unknowns about his plans and including who I'll be playing, and also RP constraints for me are a thing
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