Canadian Delicacy - The Kaidan Alenko Thread

IF he was with them from before the choice-it's a realistic guess that the Illusive man ordered Kaidan to be chosen in an attempt to further manipulate Shepard and those around him. We know Kaidan has been used to throw off Shepard in the past. It's a safe bet he could have been used that way again.

I do tend to think he was picked before the Cerberus involvement as well though. From there Udina would just make the most of it by trying to place him between himself and Shepard's bullet. Luckily Kaidan gets the best of him in the end (or Shepard saves him)-if you play your cards right.

Question regarding Leviathan: I would like to have Kaidan saying the line "I am not crazy about his plan" whenn Shep is in the mech. I have seen on YouTube that it is possible. But in my case it is always the other squad member. I have not tried all the combination but with Javick and James. Do you know how to fix this?

Joker and Chakwas were there to make Shepard comfortable. Garrus I think was only allowed because the Illusive Man didn't know he was Archangel. Once that detail was discovered he couldn't take Garrus out of the picture without turning Shepard against him entirely; I'm sure the Illusive Man would have happily left Garrus to die if he had known Archangel's identity ahead of time. Tali's actions of Freedom's Progress seemed to have convinced the Illusive Man that she was a factor he could control, and gain some intel on the Migrant Fleet in the process; like Garrus I'm sure Tali would have been left to die on Haestrom otherwise.

I downloaded BackOff and ME3ReCalibrated and realized the modder obviously hate Kaidan. They removed the part of the first act of the relationship (Vancouver/Normandy) and sanitized it just so "to give Shepard some backbone". Which produce very inconsistent and hilarious moments.

Fact that someone mod the game just to make Kaidan's Trilogy-faithful romance purposely bad is just weird. And no wonder they're anti-same sex mod.

And I still can't understand why people who hate Kaidan didn't just kill him off or not romance him at all. Was it that hard to ignore all the flirt lines or create a new save or use the save editor that a mod have to be created so they could be mean to Kaidan? Jeez

eliscous I downloaded the BackOff mod because I always want to see the additional scene when Shepard rushed at injured Kaidan and she called his name which is good.... but the rest was just completely awful for a faithful-Shepard-romancing-Kaidan.

First sign of BackOff was in the beginning of the game when Kaidan got out of the courtroom to speak to Anderson and Shepard; Anderson will have a complete different dialogue (much warmer which I like) about how he would have let Shepard and Kaidan catch up but it cut directly when the redhead Alliance interrupt them. There's no scene with James and Kaidan saying "I used to." But it's a very extensive mod that alter and add certain dialogues (to mimic three line in the first two games).

With the mod, if you want to continue a relationship with Kaidan, you have to be completely Paragon/Neutral or avoid the line that say "You, Cerberus... it's all in the past now, Kaidan. We have a war to fight, and that is all that matters." as it would cancel the entire relationship from the beginning on Mars (rather than the Hospital or Apollo's cafe scene). So as Renegade, you can't have any relationship conflict with Kaidan at all unless you purposely want to 'cuck' him.... wince... (I personally really hate that word and its current usage in the internet but it describe exactly what the mod does to Kaidan. Then again, I know the author extensively reused all Kaidan-romance's scene with Thane for ThaneMod so I guess I can understand the added resentment.)

I took issue with that dialogue because it's a direct continuation of their argument on Horizon. Shepard again choose to prioritize the bigger picture instead of their relationship; in ME2 it was the Collectors and in ME3 it was the Reapers; which under unmodded circumstance will be addressed in the middle of ME3. This mod just removed the entire subtext so Shepard could dump Kaidan early. And its very out of character for a soldier who just left an invasion, who consistently never drag her relationship issues during a mission and modded to be self-absorbed about herself and directly cruel to someone who save her life and left his entire family behind to die.

Liara on the other hand didn't get the same extensive treatment (I don't play the mod for Ashley-mance and I suspect not a lot was altered).

ME3ReCalibrated are mostly content and bugfix. It also included certain standalone mods (like Ken and Gabby recruitment etc). They have the same installation. Copy the DLC folder and then use AutoTOC.
www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/411/?tab=posts