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A better biotic "kick".
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Post by yan on Apr 5, 2019 8:12:08 GMT
Kaidan with mustache XD
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 5, 2019 19:52:57 GMT
I'm kind of sorry I wasn't around much for old BSN (just at the tail end) or old, old BSN. I've heard how hard they came down on Kaidan. I could have used the fight. I don't back down for shit. My old sig said something about not fucking with Kaidan. Therefore, some Kaidan. If you don't use filters, there's a TON of Kaidan porn. I know there used to be something called "Kaidan Porn Week" so not surprising. Luciano Costa, face model for Kaidan, was aware of it and approved. Yep, this is the "whiner" here, giving Ash a pep talk about confidence and guns. Would have given anything to see Kaidan and Ash both in ME3. Damn BioWare for getting rid of the option to save them both on Virmire!
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Post by opuspace on Apr 5, 2019 21:32:52 GMT
I get that dmc1001. A lot of crap happened in the past I wished I could argue too. But as Shepard can say, "You're here now." Why does Kaidan get called a whiner though?
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Post by yan on Apr 6, 2019 1:03:20 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Ash, but she's great when she interacts with Alenko. For example, that scene in the Citadel where the 3 look out the window and talk about humanity. So yeah, having both in ME3 would have been great.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2019 1:13:42 GMT
I get that dmc1001 . A lot of crap happened in the past I wished I could argue too. But as Shepard can say, "You're here now." Why does Kaidan get called a whiner though? I don't know. I only came on the scene in early 2016. These are just things I've heard. He's sensitive and people claim he whined about his past, even though he did the exact opposite by not letting his past control him. Near as I can tell people connected Kaidan with Carth Onasi, since they had the same VA. People did think Carth was a whiner (not sure I agree but it's been a while since I played KOTOR) and I think it transferred to Kaidan.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2019 1:19:22 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Ash, but she's great when she interacts with Alenko. For example, that scene in the Citadel where the 3 look out the window and talk about humanity. So yeah, having both in ME3 would have been great. Initially I didn't like Ash, either. I agreed with all those "space racist" comments. Over the course of many playthroughs, I began to see her differently. She's human and her family history actually held her back in her career. Despite that, she became career military. Yeah, she has trust issues with aliens but in no way allows that to get in the way of her job. Further, when you choose Kaidan on Virmire, she acknowledges Shepard made the rights choice. (Maybe Kaidan says the same but I've never let him die.) I believe she's a woman of integrity. The three of them could have had a long-term bond over their experiences on Eden Prime. If I had to lose someone to keep her around, I'd say bye to Wrex, Liara and maybe even Garrus.
Anyway, Kaidan is awesome and he lost a friend. He and Shepard reminiscing over her on the SR-2 was nice.
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I like the way she looks at him. So much love!
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 10, 2019 5:03:24 GMT
Well I've been replaying the OT for the last two weeks and was a hard core Garrusmancer but wanted something else so I made a femshep just for Kaidan to try his romance. I still like Garrus, but I think Kaidan's character arc and his romance with my femshep was better than Garrus'. One thing that I really like is that Kaidan is his own man with his own goals, career path, motivations. He sets goals and works his ass off the achieve them. He never needed me to fix his life because he fixes his own life. As a matter of fact he says that to my femshep in ME1 and what a breath of fresh air that is! Romancing Kaidan allowed me to see the Horizon encounter in a whole new way. The last time he saw the woman he loved she was ordering him off the ship, then she went down with it. The survivors guilt must have been crushing, then she rolls up "Sup' baby, I'm alive how's things?" Shep's dialogue choices are just awful though - anyway, Kaidan stood up for himself and his own moral code and he questioned Shepard's. He still loved her, but he wasn't a puppy to go running after her. Both good things, IMO. I like a man who isn't afraid to speak his mind to me. He wasn't going to follow after her while she was working for a terrorist organization. I respect and understand it. With a romanced Kaidan the encounter hurt, though but it's supposed to. Then he sent a letter, which I greatly appreciated because it confirmed my belief that he still loved my femshep and was open to working things out.
Basically Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance was so rewarding. While I'll always have a special place in my heart for Garrus, he feels more like a reflection of my own Shepard and sort of a yes man, with no strong opinions of his own. I don't say that to slander his character, but Garrus was written as the BFF so he has to be likable by most of the fans for it to work and Garrus is my bro.
By the time of Kaidan's romance scene happened in ME3, it felt earned.
I used to think Garrus had the best scene with my femshep before the final push, where he talked about needing her to come back and a meeting at a bar in heaven etc.
But this. THIS made my heart swell when Kaidan said, "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again."
YES. Here's a man staring death in the face and saying he will kick its ass to be with her.
Tl;dr
Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance felt realistic, grounded, earned and beautiful. 10/10 I went Alenko and now no one else will do.
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Post by yan on Apr 10, 2019 6:30:26 GMT
Shephard in Horizon are indeed awful.
Love garrus, but did not like his romance. Kind silly. Kaidan romance is awesome, is my favorite for femshep (not that the game have any other choices lol must be lesbian or nothing in a fresh char in me3)
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2019 13:24:25 GMT
I used to think Garrus had the best scene with my femshep before the final push, where he talked about needing her to come back and a meeting at a bar in heaven etc. But this. THIS made my heart swell when Kaidan said, "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." YES. Here's a man staring death in the face and saying he will kick its ass to be with her. Tl;dr Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance felt realistic, grounded, earned and beautiful. 10/10 I went Alenko and now no one else will do. FYI, that "meet at the bar in heaven" thing happens regardless of whether or not Garrus is romanced. Maybe there are slight changes if there's a romance. Kaidan, though, yeah. A full person who makes decisions for himself, not just to follow Shepard. Kaidan would have followed Shepard anywhere. It hurt just to survive when Shepard didn't. But that two year gap with no explanation of what was going on pushed him away. Never mind that Hades' Dogs from ME1, or even UNC: Dead Scientists, pointed to a terrorist organization that experimented on marines and killed an admiral. You could see why Kaidan wouldn't join up, regardless of his feelings for Shepard. He's a good guy and it was work to achieve the romance in ME3 but worth it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2019 13:32:30 GMT
Shephard in Horizon are indeed awful. Love garrus, but did not like his romance. Kind silly. Kaidan romance is awesome, is my favorite for femshep (not that the game have any other choices lol must be lesbian or nothing in a fresh char in me3) I hear you. My choices were even fewer. I love how he opens up to Shep if romanced in ME1. A lot more to him and the random, silly comments he makes throughout the game just shows how much more there is to him. We know he has a sense of wonder and awe. ("Big place" - because he's in awe of the view from the Citadel.) We know he has a close relationship with his mother. ("Mom was right. I should have brought a sweater.") We know he had heartbreak in the past. (Rahna). We know he doesn't seen aliens as the enemy (despite Vernus). We know he takes his job seriously, both as a marine and a Spectre. (Everything he's ever done, basically.) We know that when he gives someone his heart, it's serious. (Still loved Shep even while with Cerberus.)
Kaidan is a seriously good and well thought out character. He didn't require an LM to establish a relationship. I don't even think that was an option in ME1 and ME3. You just had to not kill him in both games.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 11, 2019 22:34:07 GMT
I used to think Garrus had the best scene with my femshep before the final push, where he talked about needing her to come back and a meeting at a bar in heaven etc. But this. THIS made my heart swell when Kaidan said, "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." YES. Here's a man staring death in the face and saying he will kick its ass to be with her. Tl;dr Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance felt realistic, grounded, earned and beautiful. 10/10 I went Alenko and now no one else will do. FYI, that "meet at the bar in heaven" thing happens regardless of whether or not Garrus is romanced. Maybe there are slight changes if there's a romance. Kaidan, though, yeah. A full person who makes decisions for himself, not just to follow Shepard. Kaidan would have followed Shepard anywhere. It hurt just to survive when Shepard didn't. But that two year gap with no explanation of what was going on pushed him away. Never mind that Hades' Dogs from ME1, or even UNC: Dead Scientists, pointed to a terrorist organization that experimented on marines and killed an admiral. You could see why Kaidan wouldn't join up, regardless of his feelings for Shepard. He's a good guy and it was work to achieve the romance in ME3 but worth it. The "meet at the bar in heaven" scene and "no Shepard without Vakarian" apparently happens for every single Shepard, even if you never talked to him in ME3 outside of his cutscenes on Menae. Was playing around with gibbed couple days ago and didn't recruit Garrus in Me1, and when I played the character in ME2, I never talked to Garrus outside of doing his loyalty mission, yet he still acted like we were BFFs in combat saying how it was just like old times, lol, no what? Same story in ME3 where the game acted like Garrus and my Shep were pals. WTF... People complained about Liara, but at least you can turn down Liara's gift and when she asks, you can tell her in ME3 that you aren't friends. You can't turn down being friends with Garrus. Your dialogue choices with him are: YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND, GARRUS! or YOU'RE A GOOD FRIEND, GARRUS! I'm certainly not a Garrus hater but I was trying to roleplay a Shepard who was close with Tali and Liara and didn't like Garrus at all but you literally can't do it! the game won't let you. From a roleplay perspective it pissed me off.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 11, 2019 23:02:34 GMT
I used to think Garrus had the best scene with my femshep before the final push, where he talked about needing her to come back and a meeting at a bar in heaven etc. But this. THIS made my heart swell when Kaidan said, "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." YES. Here's a man staring death in the face and saying he will kick its ass to be with her. Tl;dr Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance felt realistic, grounded, earned and beautiful. 10/10 I went Alenko and now no one else will do. FYI, that "meet at the bar in heaven" thing happens regardless of whether or not Garrus is romanced. Maybe there are slight changes if there's a romance. Kaidan, though, yeah. A full person who makes decisions for himself, not just to follow Shepard. Kaidan would have followed Shepard anywhere. It hurt just to survive when Shepard didn't. But that two year gap with no explanation of what was going on pushed him away. Never mind that Hades' Dogs from ME1, or even UNC: Dead Scientists, pointed to a terrorist organization that experimented on marines and killed an admiral. You could see why Kaidan wouldn't join up, regardless of his feelings for Shepard. He's a good guy and it was work to achieve the romance in ME3 but worth it. I had to laugh after the Citadel DLC because all things considered, Kaidan was 100% right to not trust Shepard on Horizon. Yet he still sent a letter explaining his feelings and willingness to work things out. What a good man.
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Post by L2 Sentinel on Apr 13, 2019 11:13:28 GMT
Well I've been replaying the OT for the last two weeks and was a hard core Garrusmancer but wanted something else so I made a femshep just for Kaidan to try his romance. I still like Garrus, but I think Kaidan's character arc and his romance with my femshep was better than Garrus'. One thing that I really like is that Kaidan is his own man with his own goals, career path, motivations. He sets goals and works his ass off the achieve them. He never needed me to fix his life because he fixes his own life. As a matter of fact he says that to my femshep in ME1 and what a breath of fresh air that is! Romancing Kaidan allowed me to see the Horizon encounter in a whole new way. The last time he saw the woman he loved she was ordering him off the ship, then she went down with it. The survivors guilt must have been crushing, then she rolls up "Sup' baby, I'm alive how's things?" Shep's dialogue choices are just awful though - anyway, Kaidan stood up for himself and his own moral code and he questioned Shepard's. He still loved her, but he wasn't a puppy to go running after her. Both good things, IMO. I like a man who isn't afraid to speak his mind to me. He wasn't going to follow after her while she was working for a terrorist organization. I respect and understand it. With a romanced Kaidan the encounter hurt, though but it's supposed to. Then he sent a letter, which I greatly appreciated because it confirmed my belief that he still loved my femshep and was open to working things out. Basically Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance was so rewarding. While I'll always have a special place in my heart for Garrus, he feels more like a reflection of my own Shepard and sort of a yes man, with no strong opinions of his own. I don't say that to slander his character, but Garrus was written as the BFF so he has to be likable by most of the fans for it to work and Garrus is my bro. By the time of Kaidan's romance scene happened in ME3, it felt earned. I used to think Garrus had the best scene with my femshep before the final push, where he talked about needing her to come back and a meeting at a bar in heaven etc. But this. THIS made my heart swell when Kaidan said, "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." YES. Here's a man staring death in the face and saying he will kick its ass to be with her. Tl;dr Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance felt realistic, grounded, earned and beautiful. 10/10 I went Alenko and now no one else will do. This made me happy. Thanks for giving Kaidan a chance. There is a common sentiment amongst the community that humans are inherently boring and aliens are inherently interesting, and I couldn't disagree more. Aliens are interesting for superficial reasons. We know nothing about their culture, so every time we discover something new about their culture, it feels like we are discovering something new about them. But that just makes the race interesting, it doesn't make the individual character interesting. Tali in ME1 was a walking codex entry. I found her fascinating only in the sense that I found quarians fascinating. People call Kaidan whiny because he has a medical condition that he barely talks about, and almost never without being asked about it directly, but give Garrus a free pass when his arc in ME1 is mostly just him bitching about work and rules. Sure, Kaidan isn't as showy as some of the other characters, but that doesn't make him boring; it makes him subtle. You have to lean in to really understand him, and I gravitate to those kinds of characters. He's complex with a lot on his mind, but he's also an adult with his act together so he doesn't need Shepard to solve all his problems for him. But neither is he a closed book. He'll talk to you if you take the time to listen. I think he is the best written and most fully realized character in the cast. I like Garrus, but he doesn't have as much depth. One of the main reasons Garrus is so popular is because he never challenges Shepard. To me, that's far more boring. Like you said, Kaidan's relationship with Shepard feels so powerful because it feels earned.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 13, 2019 11:29:41 GMT
Well I've been replaying the OT for the last two weeks and was a hard core Garrusmancer but wanted something else so I made a femshep just for Kaidan to try his romance. I still like Garrus, but I think Kaidan's character arc and his romance with my femshep was better than Garrus'. One thing that I really like is that Kaidan is his own man with his own goals, career path, motivations. He sets goals and works his ass off the achieve them. He never needed me to fix his life because he fixes his own life. As a matter of fact he says that to my femshep in ME1 and what a breath of fresh air that is! Romancing Kaidan allowed me to see the Horizon encounter in a whole new way. The last time he saw the woman he loved she was ordering him off the ship, then she went down with it. The survivors guilt must have been crushing, then she rolls up "Sup' baby, I'm alive how's things?" Shep's dialogue choices are just awful though - anyway, Kaidan stood up for himself and his own moral code and he questioned Shepard's. He still loved her, but he wasn't a puppy to go running after her. Both good things, IMO. I like a man who isn't afraid to speak his mind to me. He wasn't going to follow after her while she was working for a terrorist organization. I respect and understand it. With a romanced Kaidan the encounter hurt, though but it's supposed to. Then he sent a letter, which I greatly appreciated because it confirmed my belief that he still loved my femshep and was open to working things out. Basically Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance was so rewarding. While I'll always have a special place in my heart for Garrus, he feels more like a reflection of my own Shepard and sort of a yes man, with no strong opinions of his own. I don't say that to slander his character, but Garrus was written as the BFF so he has to be likable by most of the fans for it to work and Garrus is my bro. By the time of Kaidan's romance scene happened in ME3, it felt earned. I used to think Garrus had the best scene with my femshep before the final push, where he talked about needing her to come back and a meeting at a bar in heaven etc. But this. THIS made my heart swell when Kaidan said, "I'm gonna fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." YES. Here's a man staring death in the face and saying he will kick its ass to be with her. Tl;dr Kaidan feels like a real person and his romance felt realistic, grounded, earned and beautiful. 10/10 I went Alenko and now no one else will do. This made me happy. Thanks for giving Kaidan a chance. There is a common sentiment amongst the community that humans are inherently boring and aliens are inherently interesting, and I couldn't disagree more. Aliens are interesting for superficial reasons. We know nothing about their culture, so every time we discover something new about their culture, it feels like we are discovering something new about them. But that just makes the race interesting, it doesn't make the individual character interesting. Tali in ME1 was a walking codex entry. I found her fascinating only in the sense that I found quarians fascinating. People call Kaidan whiny because he has a medical condition that he barely talks about, and almost never without being asked about it directly, but give Garrus a free pass when his arc in ME1 is mostly just him bitching about work and rules. Sure, Kaidan isn't as showy as some of the other characters, but that doesn't make him boring; it makes him subtle. You have to lean in to really understand him, and I gravitate to those kinds of characters. He's complex with a lot on his mind, but he's also an adult with his act together so he doesn't need Shepard to solve all his problems for him. But neither is he a closed book. He'll talk to you if you take the time to listen. I think he is the best written and most fully realized character in the cast. I like Garrus, but he doesn't have as much depth. One of the main reasons Garrus is so popular is because he never challenges Shepard. To me, that's far more boring. Like you said, Kaidan's relationship with Shepard feels so powerful because it feels earned. I second this
to be honest, I love Kaidan precisely for the reasons other people call him 'whiny' and it's something I never really understood anyway *shrug* maybe it's due to the reason people call me sensitive and too kind irl.
and I agree on the alien thing, in another thread I was asked, why romance Kaidan when you have access to someone like Garrus? I answered...'cause Garrus is like a brother to my Shepard? I mean, it has nothing to do with him being alien...I just don't find him appealing in a romantic sense but apparently that's wrong because Garrus is so much more interesting then Kaidan (which I disagree on, I find both interesting...Kaidan just appeals to me more)
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 13, 2019 12:02:34 GMT
It pains me to say this but I never realized how shallow Garrus' character is until I romanced Kaidan. Again, as the BFF character, he's fine because his character is whatever Shepard decides it is, he never, ever progresses on his own. Garrus remains pretty static in that regard. Without Shep, he fails. Literally and figuratively. TBH, it was a clever move on the devs and writing, because some/most/a lot of players don't like their precious PC being challenged on anything. Not saying it's the only reason, but I think it helps that Garrus is so beta with Shep. I didn't notice before because I always romanced him, or I didn't want to notice. And Garrus never, ever challenged my Shep about anything. I chose the Geth to see if he'd get in my Shep's face about Tali (they were in a romance) but nope. He says the same nebulous "damn war" and stuff like "i'm sure you did your best, Shepard" etc. and that she must have looked like an angel under the mask. But no anger at my Shep. I felt so let down. I was hoping he'd have a real reaction to Shep like maybe yell at her which would have been a 100% reasonable and expected reaction, IMO. Kaidan has, IMO, a much more dynamic personality where he does get in my Shep's face "Don't 'Kaidan' me." Horizon was the most interesting because for some reason I thought he'd be more....understanding/passive of a romanced Shep. But nope. Not even an in love Kaidan will smile while Shep feeds him bullshit lines. He can be assertive when needed and very tender, too. I'm glad I decided to romance him. Gonna start a vanguard playthrough and romance him again, lol. In ME1, Kaidan is really smart too, he knows the political score, the red tape BS and I enjoyed those talks a lot. He also never whined about his migraines. He talked about them when asked, but was quick to say he could handle them. No whining at all. Also, I decided to look at Kaidan's service record in ME3 and was extremely impressed. Biotic ninjas! HOLY SHIT.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 14:43:45 GMT
Also, I decided to look at Kaidan's service record in ME3 and was extremely impressed. Biotic ninjas! HOLY SHIT. There was also his line at Anderson's apartment. "Did I ever tell you about my casino run in the vorcha mafia? Five thousand credits and a bottle of whiskey? Actually, never mind." That's a story just waiting to be told.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 13, 2019 15:50:57 GMT
In ME1, Kaidan is really smart too, he knows the political score, the red tape BS and I enjoyed those talks a lot. He also never whined about his migraines. He talked about them when asked, but was quick to say he could handle them. No whining at all. Also, I decided to look at Kaidan's service record in ME3 and was extremely impressed. Biotic ninjas! HOLY SHIT.
I'm not a huge of Kaydan, I will be honest. But one thing always bugged me since ME1: why the heck he was not chosen for the N7 program?
His military record is indeed impressive and he's the type of combatant the military is looking for the program.
Ah, the tipical hero story, where the main protagonist can't have competition... common Bioware!
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 19:48:35 GMT
I'm not a huge of Kaydan, I will be honest. But one thing always bugged me since ME1: why the heck he was not chosen for the N7 program?
His military record is indeed impressive and he's the type of combatant the military is looking for the program.
Ah, the tipical hero story, where the main protagonist can't have competition... common Bioware! I don't think this is strange at all. No matter his service record an L2 is likely to suffer side effects that make them useless in the field. Even so, they probably look at all L2s in the same way and across the board won't allow them in. For comparison, think about Ash. Something her grandfather did was holding back her career. The Alliance will find reasons, even if they make no sense.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Apr 15, 2019 4:43:44 GMT
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 15, 2019 5:09:03 GMT
I'm just here to admire the Arcann gif
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Post by aoibhealfae on Apr 15, 2019 18:07:51 GMT
The thing about N7, they're mainly lone operatives. Kaidan was part of special forces as well (Chakwas talk about his commendations) but he mainly serve as support. He's also idealistic and suited in command role whereas Shepard always been flexible as long as the mission was served (even in ME2, shepard still serve human interest). Understandably why he became the commander of biotic company and recruit and teaching biotics under him. I'm fairly neutral to Garrus (as he's an optional character; I still have a choice with wanting him or not along my Mass Effect story) but the past half decade I've been in this fandom ( ), I've dealt with a lot of unpleasantry coming from his fandom which soured the character for me. While romances are optional; there was never a problem for everyone to have their own preference. But it just feel like the existence of people who appreciate Kaidan made it easy to be spiteful. "Kaidan was whiny, he's disloyal, he's boring" was like a mantra being enforced every corner of the internet as facts with the intention of making him sound unpleasant that it turn everyone off him and to pursue Garrus. It's like the idea of FemShep players preferring Kaidan was threatening and rival their love for Garrus who was exclusive to FemShep. (Thane's tragedy made him somewhat less threatening and female LIs options was never really a concern) But Kaidan was never some one dimensional Paragon character (you can turn him renegade in ME1) and he stood his ground more often than not; he's someone Shepard simply couldn't boss around too much. He openly said no to Shepard many times that calling "yes man" sound hollow. He doesn't yearn to be under Commander Shepard's presence and isn't satisfied until he rose himself as an equal that Shepard would be proud to be with; he just want to be the sturdy rock who centered Shepard as a whole. Not everyone was lucky enough to have that sort of relationship. A lot of Kaidan's traits proved to be of a man who has matured outlook on life; many of it was admirable and desirable. Calling these things boring and uninteresting seemed very odd... I wished I was surrounded with such an abundance of responsible mature men who maybe might tempt me into demisexuality. Either way, Kaidan's love was satisfying and bittersweet. The relationship with him was filled with a lot of trials, death, war. It was more apparent they both struggled so hard to be together. That every ounce of happiness felt earned.
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