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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 6, 2017 19:06:23 GMT
Was about time we pinned a thread for this topic...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:09:38 GMT
It was about bloody time
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 6, 2017 19:16:01 GMT
Did something happen today that I haven't been made privy to?
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 19:21:21 GMT
Haha I thought the Twitter Discussion Thread or the Blanketfort was the official place for the speculation. Let met kick it off! Bad guys: Titans Evanuris Tevinter Civil War Tevinter/Qunari War Solas and his burning of the world The last two Archdemons Did I miss anything?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:25:39 GMT
Haha I thought the Twitter Discussion Thread or the Blanketfort was the official place for the speculation. Let met kick it off! Bad guys: Titans Evanuris Tevinter Civil War Tevinter/Qunari War Solas and his burning of the world The last two Archdemons Did I miss anything? Wait, when did Titans confirmed as bad guys?
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 19:29:48 GMT
tacsearNot confirmed. This is the speculation thread not the confirmed thread. The Titans were at war with the Evanuris. Just because we think the Evanuris were bad does not mean that those who opposed them were good. I can't begin to imagine the Titans wouldn't wake up with Vengeance on their minds- or retaking Thedas because I kinda feel like they used to own the place before the elves came along.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 19:51:22 GMT
tacsear Not confirmed. This is the speculation thread not the confirmed thread. The Titans were at war with the Evanuris. Just because we think the Evanuris were bad does not mean that those who opposed them were good. I can't begin to imagine the Titans wouldn't wake up with Vengeance on their minds- or retaking Thedas because I kinda feel like they used to own the place before the elves came along. I imagined them as elderly dudes who sleep all day and yell at people passing by. I mean can they even move, let alone ruling the world?
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 19:54:37 GMT
tacsear Not confirmed. This is the speculation thread not the confirmed thread. The Titans were at war with the Evanuris. Just because we think the Evanuris were bad does not mean that those who opposed them were good. I can't begin to imagine the Titans wouldn't wake up with Vengeance on their minds- or retaking Thedas because I kinda feel like they used to own the place before the elves came along. I imagined them as elderly dudes who sleep all day and yell at people passing by. I mean can they even move, let alone ruling the world? They ARE the ground. Them standing up could destroy massive portions of Thedas, but maybe only one remains and he works his vengeance through mind controlled dwarves.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 20:02:17 GMT
Did something happen today that I haven't been made privy to? I think someone has been confirmed as writing something for the next Dragon Age game or has said something that has given way to this impression but don't quote me on this.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 6, 2017 20:02:19 GMT
I'm not sure the Titans are that way inclined. I think they are more a sort of sentient earth being seeing as they are called the "Pillars of the Earth" and not driven by the same sort of motivations as the other races. It seems to me that it was all the magic being tossed around by the Evanuris that upset them (just as opening the Breach does) and that resulted in a lot of earth movement, which damaged all the Evanuris' lovely creations, whether this was intentional or simply a by-product of the earthquakes. Then Elgar'nan and Mythal in particular got shirty about it (Mythal is credited with creating the cities after all) and so they went to war with them. Basically my sympathies are with the Titans since it seems likely that the elves were originally spirits from the Fade (sky) and thus had no business encroaching on the Titan's patch (earth). The Titan only attacked us because we had once again intruded and attacked its followers but once it made contact with Valta, it seemed soothed.
Prayer to Elgar'nan: "Give us victory over the earth that shakes our cities...... Bring winged death to those who throw down our work........help us tame the land." To my mind the elves were definitely the usurpers and may be the land didn't want to be tamed (enslaved).
It would also be a nice twist if it turns out that not all the Evanuris were arseholes and one of them actually wants to help us stop Solas from destroying the world. My money is on June because of that codex entry in the Temple which says we know so little about him - so clearly not simply the god of crafting. There was also that other entry in Trespasser where Sylaise is giving a gift for services rendered to "clever June", so clearly someone worth cultivating.
Reckon the "choice" in the next game will be whether to side with Tevinter or the Qunari in their ongoing war.
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 20:16:11 GMT
~snip~ Reckon the "choice" in the next game will be whether to side with Tevinter or the Qunari in their ongoing war. Why would anyone side with Qun? If they won they would just turn their eyes to the south...oh wait, TEvinter would do that too, unless they had the right leadership. But where it's possible Tevinter would not turn to Expansionism, it's in the Qun Religion to Expand.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 20:26:16 GMT
~snip~ Reckon the "choice" in the next game will be whether to side with Tevinter or the Qunari in their ongoing war. Why would anyone side with Qun? If they won they would just turn their eyes to the south...oh wait, TEvinter would do that too, unless they had the right leadership. But where it's possible Tevinter would not turn to Expansionism, it's in the Qun Religion to Expand. Pretty much, yeah. The Qun demands conversion of bas in order to achieve order. It's why the Qunari considers the treaty to be just a piece of paper and why an alliance with the Qunari is always temporary: bas alliances and bas treaties will always be secondary to the will of the Qun. While we may have involvement and influence in events concerning the Tevinter-Seheron war perhaps even siding with one faction to some means or end, I don't think it'd result in ever-lasting change like a Tevinter conquest of Seheron or a Qunari conquest of the Imperium. I also hope not since large-scale choices means the likelihood of us revisiting a place is small and often the consequence of such a choice has to be downscaled for the story to continue. Because, in my experiences, a determinant action means it cannot have the resources dedicated to it that would show its true impact. This only really works if it's an area we'll be leaving either permanently or for a time.
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 6, 2017 20:51:58 GMT
But where it's possible Tevinter would not turn to Expansionism, it's in the Qun Religion to Expand. In fairness, that's also part of Andrastianism. The Maker only returns when he's worshipped in every corner of the world. In recent history, the Andrastians in Orlais have been more aggressive than the Qunari. Loghain and Teagan hate Orlesians because they lived during the Orlesian occupation. It was that recent. And the chevaliers were nearly as cruel to Fereldans as they are to elves.
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 20:58:07 GMT
But where it's possible Tevinter would not turn to Expansionism, it's in the Qun Religion to Expand. In fairness, that's also part of Andrastianism. The Maker only returns when he's worshipped in every corner of the world. But not to the point that it requires the melting of borders, except in the case of Drakon's version of Andrastianism as you pointed out. Empress Celene has no eye to attacking Fereldan. And the Chantry is already there. It also permeates into strange places, like Orzamaar. Tevinter follows it with a few different rules, and the other countries do as well. In Rivain, they just seem to practice more tolerance than other Chantries. People can believe in the maker and relatively go on as before. The Qun isn't just "Believe in this God" it's absolutely, "You must live this way." Borders dissolve, what you dream of being is irrelevant, you have no name, you have a number. They are just nothing alike in their approach to Expansionism.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 6, 2017 21:31:35 GMT
A fun/horrible idea occurred to me a while ago. What if, to bulk up the strength of his supporters, Solas started turning them into werewolves?
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 21:45:46 GMT
A fun/horrible idea occurred to me a while ago. What if, to bulk up the strength of his supporters, Solas started turning them into werewolves? I don't see that as something Solas would do since he seems to operate in the shadows and so not likely to engage in a direct conflict where strength would be the main asset. At least, I'm hoping they keep this modus operandi of his. I feel it is part of what helps distinguish him from past villains and it would be interesting to face a network of spies, shadow plays, deceptions and other shadow games. That said, I could see werewolves make a return. Just not as directly caused by Solas but caused by something or someone else? Definitely.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 21:48:33 GMT
I'm still in favor of dual protagonist with 80% of new protagonist and 20% for old protagonist. That way, we'll have a new protagonist who can explore the Tevinter Imperium including, like, from the background of a slave that rises from the bottom and works their way up. That way, we'll also have the old protagonist - the Inquisitor - that we can play like, say, during a showdown with Solas which allows the personal connection between the two to come into play without needing to base the entire game around the Inquisitor. Given how the Inquisitor is perceived as in the Tevinter Imperium and how well-known their appearance would be, I don't think operating incognito would be possible and I think operating openly would be too limiting. I also think it'd be badass to have the Inquisitor make a return like showing up in some dire circumstances to help out the new protagonist.
I really hope we see the Inquisitor with a prosthetic. I like the idea of a disabled hero and we know mages don't need to wield a staff to cast, we've saw a crossbow prosthetic in one of the Trespasser slides and there exist accounts of prosthetic hands that allowed sword wielding. An example of the last would be Götz Von Berlichingen, a mercenary from the 16th century, who lost a hand during a battle but took on a replacement prosthetic that enabled him to wield a sword and continue to fight until the age of 64.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 21:49:51 GMT
Oh, I hope there'll be playable races again. I love having those!
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 6, 2017 21:56:10 GMT
A fun/horrible idea occurred to me a while ago. What if, to bulk up the strength of his supporters, Solas started turning them into werewolves? I don't see that as something Solas would do since he seems to operate in the shadows and so not likely to engage in a direct conflict where strength would be the main asset. It's hard to really say one way or another without knowing exactly what his evil plans are, but it could be that he'll need to flex his muscles if he needs to, say, gain access to some artifact held by the Magisterium, where it would be nigh impossible for an elven spy to infiltrate. Ordinary soliders won't cut it against Tevinter mages.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 21:59:49 GMT
I don't see that as something Solas would do since he seems to operate in the shadows and so not likely to engage in a direct conflict where strength would be the main asset. It's hard to really say one way or another without knowing exactly what his evil plans are, but it could be that he'll need to flex his muscles if he needs to, say, gain access to some artifact held by the Magisterium, where it would be nigh impossible for an elven spy to infiltrate. Ordinary soliders won't cut it against Tevinter mages. Rather than resort to force, I could more easily see him manipulate existing personnel or other individuals to gain access where his elven spies could not.
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 22:02:30 GMT
So, interesting speculation then:
Outside of the elves that have are knowingly or unknowingly helping Solas destroy their world, who else would Solas turn to for assistance? Manipulate a cult to do his bidding? What was that cult that Luscious joined? They readily played into Cory's hands, they don't seem to care how the world ends just that it should.
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 6, 2017 22:09:08 GMT
In fairness, that's also part of Andrastianism. The Maker only returns when he's worshipped in every corner of the world. But not to the point that it requires the melting of borders, except in the case of Drakon's version of Andrastianism as you pointed out. Nothing in Koslun's writing dictates expansionism. As written, the Qun is about as hippie-dippy-live-in-harmony-with-everything as it gets. The current Qunari interpretation of the Qun is just as much a mangling of the original text as Drakon's expansionist vision of the Chant. Even more so, because the Chant pushes proselytization much more strongly than Koslun. Koslun basically said, "just go with the flow man, accept the movements of the tides. Focus on changing yourself before messing with anyone else, dude." Somehow the followers of the Qun interpreted that as a call to become the tide. Rather than the more reasonable interpretation where the tide represents nature or the rest of the world. It's very possible that some Qunari even believe the more harmonious interpretation. Those Qunari would not have ended up in the military. Basically we've seen a cross-section of Qunari equivalent to only seeing chevaliers. Imagine judging Orlais based only on the dickheads in the order of chevaliers.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 6, 2017 22:42:12 GMT
A fun/horrible idea occurred to me a while ago. What if, to bulk up the strength of his supporters, Solas started turning them into werewolves? Now that you mention it.... How did we not see this!!??!?
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 6, 2017 22:42:54 GMT
So, interesting speculation then: Outside of the elves that have are knowingly or unknowingly helping Solas destroy their world, who else would Solas turn to for assistance? Manipulate a cult to do his bidding? What was that cult that Lucius joined? They readily played into Cory's hands, they don't seem to care how the world ends just that it should. We know so little about their ideology that it's hard to say whether or not they would ally with Solas. I can't see many groups willing to ally with him aside from the obvious answer of "elves." This is kind of why I speculated that he might turn some of them into werewolves — to bulk up their strength on those occasions where he needs some muscle. Also, he's the DREAD WOLF. Thematically, it's pretty appropriate.
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 22:47:31 GMT
A fun/horrible idea occurred to me a while ago. What if, to bulk up the strength of his supporters, Solas started turning them into werewolves? Now that you mention it.... How did we not see this!!??!? You'd be amazed at how many facial expression mannerisms they share.
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