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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 18:16:31 GMT
from what I see, Hawke is not a hero by any means. Yep, my Hawke saved Kirkwall twice and got the Champion title by accident. "Just stumbled on it" said Varric. Hawke saved Kirkwall twice? unless I forgotted something, the city in the final act is an absolute riot. And afterwards leaves the city to go in hide after killing the final boss and remaining in the city for a short time before not only Kirkwall wreaks havoc again, also all Thedas does it. What a hero. Champion doesn't mean hero. You have to keep working on your sarcasm, but you are in the right direction.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 1, 2018 18:59:16 GMT
from what I see, Hawke is not a hero by any means. That's what I meant, kinda. They didn't have any particular powers or anything, they were just there at the right/wrong time. Yea, but they're implied to be there because destiny...
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 1, 2018 19:17:13 GMT
That's what I meant, kinda. They didn't have any particular powers or anything, they were just there at the right/wrong time. Yea, but they're implied to be there because destiny... I don’t see it as destiny as much as the lack of choice to not get involved/stay neutral mechanically. What I mean is, both the Warden and the Inquisitor didn’t have a choice because then the world would end. You couldn’t predict that the qunari would attack kirkwall and even if the mage/templar situation was already tense, then you couldn’t predict just how bad things would become. In theory, Hawke could have left Kirkwall or chosen to stay neutral. Even if things would be bad in Kirkwall, they still wouldn’t be world-ending bad. There’s a chance that someone else could have stepped up and become the Champion or that the rest of the world eventually would have stepped in. Or maybe they just wouldn’t care enough because it was “just” Kirkwall.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 1, 2018 19:25:21 GMT
Yep, my Hawke saved Kirkwall twice and got the Champion title by accident. "Just stumbled on it" said Varric. Hawke saved Kirkwall twice? unless I forgotted something, the city in the final act is an absolute riot. And afterwards leaves the city to go in hide after killing the final boss and remaining in the city for a short time before not only Kirkwall wreaks havoc again, also all Thedas does it. What a hero. Champion doesn't mean hero. You have to keep working on your sarcasm, but you are in the right direction. It wasn't sarcasm and you seems to have a very narrow view of what is a hero. All my Hawkes saved Kirkwall twice: once from the Qunari and once from Meredith's red lyrium craziness. Whatever that was because they were goody-two-shoes or assholes that ended up there at the wrong time has nothing to do with what they ended up doing.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 19:39:20 GMT
Hawke saved Kirkwall twice? unless I forgotted something, the city in the final act is an absolute riot. And afterwards leaves the city to go in hide after killing the final boss and remaining in the city for a short time before not only Kirkwall wreaks havoc again, also all Thedas does it. What a hero. Champion doesn't mean hero. You have to keep working on your sarcasm, but you are in the right direction. It wasn't sarcasm and you seems to have a very narrow view of what is a hero. All my Hawkes saved Kirkwall twice: once from the Qunari and once from Meredith's red lyrium craziness. Whatever that was because they were goody-two-shoes or assholes that ended up there at the wrong time has nothing to do with what they ended up doing. To summarize you consider Hawke a hero, that's okay. Narrow or not, it doesn't matter Hawke is not a hero, Hawke at most is a "celebrity" but that's it. And again, at most Hawke saved Kirkwall once, the second one after killing the final boss, Kirkwall was still in chaos.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2018 19:57:47 GMT
Hero: a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
By the definition of the term, Hawke is absolutely a hero.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:04:33 GMT
Of those, Hawke only has "outstading achievements". And calling Hawke achievements outstanding, is a stretch.
Hawke is not a hero.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2018 20:05:46 GMT
Of those, Hawke only has "outstading achievements". And calling Hawke achievements outstanding, is a stretch. Hawke is not a hero. They have also expressed moments of courage and depending on how you play have tons of noble qualities. Hawke is canonically admired and can even be idolized for these things.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 1, 2018 20:10:25 GMT
It wasn't sarcasm and you seems to have a very narrow view of what is a hero. All my Hawkes saved Kirkwall twice: once from the Qunari and once from Meredith's red lyrium craziness. Whatever that was because they were goody-two-shoes or assholes that ended up there at the wrong time has nothing to do with what they ended up doing. To summarize you consider Hawke a hero, that's okay. Narrow or not, it doesn't matter Hawke is not a hero, Hawke at most is a "celebrity" but that's it. And again, at most Hawke saved Kirkwall once, the second one after killing the final boss, Kirkwall was still in chaos. Kirkwall still being in chaos has shit to do with Hawke being a hero or not. Also, Hawke can become Viscount... A hero is someone who perform heroic deeds that including killing monsters, killing enemies and saving someone from a house in fire. Saving the world is not a requirement.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:12:12 GMT
Of those, Hawke only has "outstading achievements". And calling Hawke achievements outstanding, is a stretch. Hawke is not a hero. They have also expressed moments of courage and depending on how you play have tons of noble qualities. To whom? Companions? Some random npcs? That's a strech. You can call The Warden or The Inquisitor a hero, but Hawke at most is a influencer, or a celebrity as I said before.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2018 20:13:50 GMT
They have also expressed moments of courage and depending on how you play have tons of noble qualities. To whom? Companions? Some random npcs? That's a strech. You can call The Warden or The Inquisitor a hero, but Hawke at most is a influencer, or a celebrity as I said before. Not a stretch at all. The stretch is trying to make it so that Hawke wasn't a hero. I'm not a big fan of Hawke, but even I know that they well passed the criteria that qualifies one as a hero.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:19:20 GMT
To summarize you consider Hawke a hero, that's okay. Narrow or not, it doesn't matter Hawke is not a hero, Hawke at most is a "celebrity" but that's it. And again, at most Hawke saved Kirkwall once, the second one after killing the final boss, Kirkwall was still in chaos. Kirkwall still being in chaos has shit to do with Hawke being a hero or not. Also, Hawke can become Viscount... A hero is someone who perform heroic deeds that including killing monsters, killing enemies and saving someone from a house in fire. Saving the world is not a requirement. Ah of course, now I get it, you are putting the requeriments here of what makes one be a hero or not. You should had started right from there, I just have been wasting my time. Though killing monsters is not a heroic did, at best makes you a hunter, killing enemies is a thing that everyone does, from a soldier to a smuggler, saving people from a house on fire can make you be admired by some people, but that doesn't mean that makes you a hero. Hawke can become a Viscount, cool now Hawke it's a politician, that doesn't make you a hero.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 20:24:38 GMT
To whom? Companions? Some random npcs? That's a strech. You can call The Warden or The Inquisitor a hero, but Hawke at most is a influencer, or a celebrity as I said before. Not a stretch at all. The stretch is trying to make it so that Hawke wasn't a hero. I'm not a big fan of Hawke, but even I know that they well passed the criteria that qualifies one as a hero. Oh it is, that Hawke has one of the three conditions to be considered a hero (by the definition you just showed) doesn't make him a hero. If just by that you want to consider Hawke one, it's fine by me. Btw if you are implying that I have some kind of grudge with this character, I must say that no, in fact I like Hawke, if you want to go that route, then I suggest you to wait when I talk about The Inquisitor.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 1, 2018 22:26:15 GMT
Dai characters consider hawke a hero
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 2, 2018 6:32:32 GMT
If we go tevinter can we safely assume we will be an outsider. Mostly likely a prisoner ES4: Oblivion already have that one.
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Post by warden on Aug 2, 2018 13:39:06 GMT
If we go tevinter can we safely assume we will be an outsider. Mostly likely a prisoner ES4: Oblivion already have that one. You are a prisoner in every single Elder Scrolls though, not just Oblivion.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 2, 2018 18:40:06 GMT
Thinking about anthem today and wondering if the titans are bigger than the large giant seen in the anthem trailer
Golems in dao-rock wraith da2-titan guardian in descent. Has to be a stone creature in da4. I expect valta
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Post by close2myheart on Sept 27, 2018 1:39:36 GMT
ES4: Oblivion already have that one. You are a prisoner in every single Elder Scrolls though, not just Oblivion. Well, what if we get to be someone who hails from Orlais that sort of has business to do in TI this time? XD Imagine the pep talk you get before leaving for Minrathous. With noble/trader/minor official/mercenary background, none would be spared from being given 'that look' from the Imperium citizens and their haughty officials XD would be awsome. We've been given Fereldan/Marcher/Orzamar background before, so maybe this time a Royan XD (No, I don't like Orlesians. Just for the record)
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Post by warden on Sept 27, 2018 12:50:49 GMT
You are a prisoner in every single Elder Scrolls though, not just Oblivion. Well, what if we get to be someone who hails from Orlais that sort of has business to do in TI this time? XD Imagine the pep talk you get before leaving for Minrathous. With noble/trader/minor official/mercenary background, none would be spared from being given 'that look' from the Imperium citizens and their haughty officials XD would be awsome. We've been given Fereldan/Marcher/Orzamar background before, so maybe this time a Royan XD (No, I don't like Orlesians. Just for the record) I don't have problems with traditions, but the reason that maybe don't follow it this time is that you could be an Orlesian in Dragon Age Awakening if you choosed to not play as a Hero of Ferelden. You know, the forgotten Orlesian Warden. Anyway, still a lot of years until the game is out so, all can happen.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 27, 2018 14:35:33 GMT
You are a prisoner in every single Elder Scrolls though, not just Oblivion. Well, what if we get to be someone who hails from Orlais that sort of has business to do in TI this time? XD Imagine the pep talk you get before leaving for Minrathous. With noble/trader/minor official/mercenary background, none would be spared from being given 'that look' from the Imperium citizens and their haughty officials XD would be awsome. We've been given Fereldan/Marcher/Orzamar background before, so maybe this time a Royan XD (No, I don't like Orlesians. Just for the record) Well, one of the noticeable patterns in DA games is that - aside from the first game, naturally - each PC comes from places the last game was set in: Hawke originally came from Ferelden to Kirkwall and Inquisitor is from Free Marches, which Kirkwall is part of. So it's not far-fetched to assume that the next PC may be hailing from the South somewhere, mayyyyybe even Orlesian? It also makes sense from basic gameplay/storyline perspective - not only the protagonist is hailing from places at least portion of the playerbase is knowledgeable of (thus strengthening the sense of continuity/familiarity/sympathy towards PC), it's generally easier to write a story in which audience surrogate is an outsider to the lands they visit and thus learn about it at the same time we do. An Orlesian PC would probably have issues with slavery or non-Southern Chantry aspect, but would probably bond with Vints over the BS with noble class, thus establishing balance between new and familiar. That doesn't mean that PC being a Vint is impossible, obviously - DAO PCs were Fereldan after all, though I'd like to point out that basically all of them have lived in a bubble that becoming a Grey Warden has popped. So... while Bioware likes to break the mold with each new DA and patterns established within and they may surprise us with something new (new PC being basically Inky's Vint tour guide?), at this point I'm expecting for PC to either come somewhere from the South, or be a native - but one that's probably lived a sheltered life, largely separated from Tevinter proper.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 27, 2018 17:09:48 GMT
Since Tevinter is known for their slave trade, they can almost do whatever they want and still make it realistic within the lore of the world.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jan 1, 2019 19:07:36 GMT
I presume the 3 biggest factions in DA4 would be the Qun, Tevinter and Fen'Harel's Elves, - hence i wonder how the Inquisitor's choices will factor in DA4, specifically regarding Qunari/Dorian/Solas.
Alliance with Qun and romanced Dorian. Alliance with Qun and romanced Solas.
Would that cause at least 1 faction to be disadvantaged, or others to recieve aid?
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