Killabkilledb's Build Guides --Kineticist first...

We are in agreement on lance. A lance build will benefit vs outlaw a bit more due to the armored targets. Requires more aiming though.  Armor really only matters vs outlaw. The fiend and lullifier for remnant are the only armored targets in those factions. Ergo, disruptor and no lance. I compensate for armor issues with fire barrels and a timely rocket (e.g. two berserkers and a hydra together). Everything else can be easily killed via bowling (which I did not do a lot of in the video as it wasn't needed) and small tech combos (if disruptor ammo). If I knew I was playing outlaw I would switch to incendiary ammo though and the 1.5x multiplier for combos takes care of my armor issues... Its really only berserkers that are an issue. I won't spec 6 into lance just to deal with them. 

I don't use anti-shield pull because when dealing with other factions and on other maps because I bowl with the kinetics more and the shields restored helps a bit. Throwing redbars into armor is another way to deal with them. If I didn't like throwing dudes into other dudes so much I'd only spec pull to 4 and lance to 4. But since I do it much more frequently than in that video I utilize it. I am on a double throw kick now. Discovered it a few days ago and its speed is fun for me...but  agree I could always just dhan or lance the second target...but the abundance of redbars means I can do it in one cast and use less shields in the process and just move on to more red dots...its faster this way and doesn't require the precision of a non-hitscan dhan shot or aiming lance... I also use the paw on her...forgot to switch it and suffered that game because of it...I'd use it on host but I wasn't the host in that game..

Cliffs: Lance builds are strong and viable but require more aiming, setting off more combos and in the end outlaw armor just requires the simple switch to incendiary ammo or more bowling/barreling on my part.

Standard Snap Freeze build added.

Putting points in lance is definitely garbage.

Kineticist vs outlaw....albeit we are farming zero camper style (Its one life to live), but the point of this is she kills armor fine with incendiary and level 1 lance. The radius pull and double throw is amazing... I find myself bowling less and less with her now that I switched to double through so you made a good point about rank 6 of pull. Going to switch it and run that for a while and use it to strip the last of shields...




Your rank 6 lance isn't even doing double damage compared to my base 1 lance. I get all the same other passives on my lance as you do (e.g. biotic amp, ascension damage bonus). You are tossing double throw for a lance that does 300 more damage??? Are you using it to strip shields or what?

Double throw is 100% the way to go but when you see armor you can use lance instead of throw.

Redbars --> double throw, armor --> lance
Outlaw --> incendiary      other factions  --> disruptor

Well I must have missed that part and that might exclude a lot of players not on PC with leet aim. Hitting lance is okay now. It can be done consistently but you can still miss. Aiming for a head or crit point is another matter. Putting 6 into lance for berserkers?  The other armored targets die easily enough. Also does the 40% more damage vs weak spots go off the base lance damage? Or are you getting some hidden power crib shot multiplier? 40% of 375 isn't that amazing unless its coming off some special 2x crit shot multiplier or something. You just aim pull/double throw at the enemies direction and it works. 2 dead really fast. Trying to aim a lance for a crit shot against one enemy in one faction? Lance build is much harder to use, requires leet headshot aim and lowers DPS and for the game not to lag (lol). All this just to give you little damage bonus vs berserkers. I'll pass on that.

I play kett because I find them fun and there is no xp or credit bonus incentive to get stuck playing against remnant in an RRG lobby. I will also make either ammo work against either faction. Being optimal and being 95% optimal is fine either way when in a RRG game. Every character/power and consumable will not work as good against every enemy/faction.Just the nature of running into an RRG game. She would do just fine and top lobbies with incendiary vs remnant kett and disruptor vs outlaw but I would prefer to go the other way if I had the choice.

I would agree on that then. If you can land consistent crit shots it would be worth it vs outlaw as you can just throw an extra lance or throw at a second pulled enemy. But still not a lot of armor on the rest of the factions and I don't think most players can consistently land crit shots like that, especially on console. I'll give it a spin and see what happens vs outlaw a few games......

Does that 1.7K include biotic gear and a potential biotic amp and the power passives? Or just the maxed lance with multiplicative and headshot bonuses?

Thanks for posting your builds! I was really curious how you specced the kineticist after I ran with you the other night and saw you do work with her.

Haha thank you!

If you ever find yourself short a player again, hit me up!

I'll double check, maybe I mixed something up. Thank you.