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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
Serious topic here.
Krogan Engineer has been buffed through Rage Buff... but the same patch also introduced brand new tech combo specialist called Angara Exemplar.
Even though Krogan Engineer`s Incineration is great power it suffers some draw backs.
1. Enemy dodge 2. Second projectile off tracking 3. No priming for shielded enemies
Tech combo deals less direct damage vs Armor compare to Fire combo, but it has some of its own advantage against armored enemies with its stun effect & DoT.
I am seriously wondering what people thinkg of
Krogan Engineer now that Angara Exemplar(God Tier) is added to the game.
If you have Angara Exemplar X... Would you still use Krogan Engineer?
I will tell you that I will never use Krogan Engineer once I have my Angara Exemplar at level 20.
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Post by shinobiwan on Jun 16, 2017 14:39:38 GMT
They're different imo. Krengineer has way more damage vs armor (and the armored units don't dodge) and a turret to draw aggro, and its survivability mechanic requires her to stay mobile and at midrange.
Exemplar has nothing even close to the raw power damage of incinerate and needs ammo to do decent damage vs armor, but he wrecks shields. The power set fosters hunkering down and staying close to teammates more than Rage, which requires the Krogan to stalk her enemies.
And even as one-pointers, turret and barricade work radically differently and drastically change their play styles.
Krengineer shines against units like hydras, berserkers, nullifiers, behemoths, fiends etc. because she piles on the damage and can distract them with turret. Exemplar is better at mopping up smaller dudes and against guys with lots of shields like the destroyer but can't approach the krogans usefulness against those other units, even with cryo/incendiary ammo.
I actually think the Krogan engineer will be better on platinum if/when it comes out.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 14:48:14 GMT
They're different imo. Krengineer has way more damage vs armor (and the armored units don't dodge) and a turret to draw aggro, and its survivability mechanic requires her to stay mobile and at midrange. Exemplar has nothing even close to the raw power damage of incinerate and needs ammo to do decent damage vs armor, but he wrecks shields. The power set fosters hunkering down and staying close to teammates more than Rage, which requires the Krogan to stalk her enemies. And even as one-pointers, turret and barricade work radically differently and drastically change their play styles. Theoretically, yes, Krogan Engineer may take down Armored enemies faster using incineration.. But in reality... Exemplar would make game so much easier and smooth against all other enemies and possibly even the armored ones... Exemplar is even better weapon platform when considering Barricade. I am not trying to force my opinion though. Like you say, Krogan Engineer might still have good place even with Exemplar. I wanna hear out what people think. If nothing else, Krogan Engineer is undoubtedly better melee paltform.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 16, 2017 14:53:01 GMT
I think they buffed tech combos in latest patch? Or the one before? I'm losing track.
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Post by Schreiner on Jun 16, 2017 14:53:48 GMT
i don't have the examplar unlocked yet, but from what i've seen, the main difference between the two is the exemplar passive that actively reduces cooldowns. this is likely what makes the exemplar ultra rare.
the krogineer probably has higher short-term power damage output due to his ability to detonate either fire or tech combos depending on the enemy, but he is hobbled by cooldowns. on the other hand, the exemplar doesn't have fire combos (without ammo powers) but has the ability to theoretically chain infinite back-to-back tech combos. in a team setting, infinite tech combos is arguably more useful due to the ridiculous CC it provides.
as for which class is better for platinum, it will largely depend on the types of units we'll see. if it's like ME3 where we'll just have waves upon waves of bullet-sponge boss units, i would swing the advantage toward the krogineer simply for the damage output. if ME:A platinum turns out to be more like... swarms of lower tiered enemies (maybe like a +25% budget and max concurrent units) then kits like the exemplar will be absolutely critical.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
I think they buffed tech combos in latest patch? Or the one before? I'm losing track. Not sure.. but Angra Exmplar`s power recharge rate + tech combo bonus + 100% enemy hit rate is insane. The fact Kroengineer has better damage output against armor feels like its completely nullified when I consider Angara Exemplar`s faster combo rate, higher hit rate & weapon damage output from Barricade + superior survivability.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 16, 2017 15:04:05 GMT
Looking forward to the kit. I'm honestly done with the shitty gunplay - time to appreciate the powers.
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Post by lennybusker on Jun 16, 2017 15:09:59 GMT
Exemplar with Fire Ammo is pretty much direct upgrade on all fronts. Turret still sucks balls, but so does Barricade.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:12:04 GMT
Looking forward to the kit. I'm honestly done with the shitty gunplay - time to appreciate the powers. Gold viable kit at rank I & level 1. Get extremely stronger as you level him up. I only played him 3 times.. in Apex Icebreaker mission on silver.. and I can see how convenient and good he is. Two oh-crap moment powers, Barricade & Energy drain Long range primer & detonator with 100% hit rate Weapon supported by Barricade & Tech combo all work extremely nice. Power Recharge Bonus stat is also very charming. Definitely one of easiest & best character to play.. I can`t wait to make him level 20 and rank him up. Worth buying reserve pack for him.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:12:44 GMT
Exemplar with Fire Ammo is pretty much direct upgrade on all fronts. Turret still sucks balls, but so does Barricade. I get your point.. but Barricade is still multi-fold better than Turret... imho... lol
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Post by squaredgonzo on Jun 16, 2017 15:18:24 GMT
I'm about to max out my KroLord, still no Exemplar.
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Post by N7Mith on Jun 16, 2017 15:19:22 GMT
I already hardly touch the krogineer. It's a good kit but she just doesn't have that wow-factor. With turret she's too squishy, without it she's kinda boring.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:21:20 GMT
I already hardly touch the krogineer. It's a good kit but she just doesn't have that wow-factor. With turret she's too squishy, without it she's kinda boring. Yeah. To me... survivability is too important when I pick my choice. I really try my best not to die even once in-game... even though I still die often. With Kro-Engineer I almost always use all 5 OP packs & 2 - 3 medigels by the time I get extracted... So she is currently my lowest choice tier for Gold games. If I feel like using Engineer class, Salarians work very nice for me. lol
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Post by N7Mith on Jun 16, 2017 15:29:11 GMT
I already hardly touch the krogineer. It's a good kit but she just doesn't have that wow-factor. With turret she's too squishy, without it she's kinda boring. Yeah. To me... survivability is too important when I pick my choice. I really try my best not to die even once in-game... even though I still die often. With Kro-Engineer I almost always use all 5 OP packs & 2 - 3 medigels by the time I get extracted... So she is currently my lowest choice tier for Gold games. If I feel like using Engineer class, Salarians work very nice for me. lol Humans too. Hell, I'd take a Batarian engi if they gave me the option. Thinking 'bout exemplar, might actually go full barricade for the chain explosions. But will he be strong enough to get up in the enemies faces to put it down? Heard he only had two 15% health and shield bonusses and no DR, so it will be tricky.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:31:29 GMT
Yeah. To me... survivability is too important when I pick my choice. I really try my best not to die even once in-game... even though I still die often. With Kro-Engineer I almost always use all 5 OP packs & 2 - 3 medigels by the time I get extracted... So she is currently my lowest choice tier for Gold games. If I feel like using Engineer class, Salarians work very nice for me. lol Humans too. Hell, I'd take a Batarian engi if they gave me the option. Thinking 'bout exemplar, might actually go full barricade for the chain explosions. But will he be strong enough to get up in the enemies faces to put it down? Heard he only had two 15% health and shield bonusses and no DR, so it will be tricky. I can`t imagine things being ever so hard with energy drain and good gun... lol I am sure all we gotta do is that we are not surrounded by enemies. Taking out 2 - 3 enemies with recharge boosted Energy drain & Overload cannot be possibly that hard. I will try a him a lot over the weekend in Gold missions. I am already enjoying his superv recharge rate.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:40:29 GMT
I'm about to max out my KroLord, still no Exemplar. I got my KW at VI now. Gonna start playing her very soon. Right after I max Exemplar... lol
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Post by shinobiwan on Jun 16, 2017 15:41:43 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I think the Exemplar is absolutely top tier and provides a ton of cc, support (with energy drain 6b), damage, is way durable with the Angara passive and energy drain on a short cooldown, etc.
But the question here is whether he completely outshines the Krogan Engineer on all fronts. I don't think he does. She has massive armor damage (both classes can apply incendiary ammo, that's mostly a wash), and she has the ability to divert aggro in a way that the Exemplar can't. And if you want to talk about weapon damage, elemental tech with ammo puts her way ahead of the Examplar's measley 15% when he's behind his own barrier (and only if you drop overload to get to barrier rank 6).
Do I think the Exemplar is better overall? Yeah, probably. But the one really isn't a direct upgrade of the other. They bring different things to the table and ignoring them isn't fruitful.
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:48:14 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I think the Exemplar is absolutely top tier and provides a ton of cc, support (with energy drain 6b), damage, is way durable with the Angara passive and energy drain on a short cooldown, etc. But the question here is whether he completely outshines the Krogan Engineer on all fronts. I don't think he does. She has massive armor damage (both classes can apply incendiary ammo, that's mostly a wash), and she has the ability to divert aggro in a way that the Exemplar can't. And if you want to talk about weapon damage, elemental tech with ammo puts her way ahead of the Examplar's measley 15% when he's behind his own barrier (and only if you drop overload to get to barrier rank 6). Do I think the Exemplar is better overall? Yeah, probably. But the one really isn't a direct upgrade of the other. They bring different things to the table and ignoring them isn't fruitful. Does elemental debuff boost weapon damage by said amount if I am using ammos? That could be game changer for sure. I thought it only boosts bonus damage from ammo... so I couldn`t make real use out of that. I just wasn`t sure how it exactly works.
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Post by shinobiwan on Jun 16, 2017 15:54:07 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I think the Exemplar is absolutely top tier and provides a ton of cc, support (with energy drain 6b), damage, is way durable with the Angara passive and energy drain on a short cooldown, etc. But the question here is whether he completely outshines the Krogan Engineer on all fronts. I don't think he does. She has massive armor damage (both classes can apply incendiary ammo, that's mostly a wash), and she has the ability to divert aggro in a way that the Exemplar can't. And if you want to talk about weapon damage, elemental tech with ammo puts her way ahead of the Examplar's measley 15% when he's behind his own barrier (and only if you drop overload to get to barrier rank 6). Do I think the Exemplar is better overall? Yeah, probably. But the one really isn't a direct upgrade of the other. They bring different things to the table and ignoring them isn't fruitful. Does elemental debuff boost weapon damage by said amount if I am using ammos? That could be game changer for sure. I thought it only boosts bonus damage from ammo... so I couldn`t make real use out of that. I just wasn`t sure how it exactly works. Yes. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/63ptnb/some_preliminary_testing_conclusions_elemental/
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 15:57:06 GMT
Nice. ...It probably works mostly on enemy on fire I think.. I will try work around that.
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Post by N7Mith on Jun 16, 2017 16:24:37 GMT
Nice. ...It probably works mostly on enemy on fire I think.. I will try work around that. It works as long as they are primed, so 2 sec after overload, and however long your incinerate burns. Detonations end the debuff. Ammo itself does not trigger debuff.
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Post by lennybusker on Jun 16, 2017 16:25:47 GMT
Yall are nuts Krogineer is still an A-level kit
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 16:33:49 GMT
Yall are nuts Krogineer is still an A-level kit She may be. But don`t overestimate us.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Jun 16, 2017 16:44:38 GMT
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Post by gethadept on Jun 16, 2017 16:47:07 GMT
As kits both possessing double detonator & double primer.. I find them very similar.
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