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Post by colfoley on Jun 26, 2017 23:01:38 GMT
When this song first dropped as the music to the launch trailer. I was hooked. Despite maybe not being a genre I find usually pallatable...it was a good song. But I was worried because it seemed like at the time BioWare was just going to follow the same grim dark formulae as the Witcher 3 where the game almost took an occasional gleeful neccessity in trolling the hell out of you forcing you to make mistakes...etc. Well to my surprise, and relief, while Ryder can do wrong things in the game and mess up this never felt forced and contrived and the whole tone of the game was far more balanced then that of the Witcher. (Something I complimented BioWare on in the past)
But this left the song as an oddity. Because usually, when you market a game, the song in the launch trailer says a lot about the game. Defenders of the Earth, Heart of Courage, the Songs used in the Witcher 3 promotions. Human, despite how awesome it was, did not seem to fit Andromeda. It seemed to fit Liam, I've often joked that Human should have been Liam's personal theme song. But for the game? not really.
That is until I thought about it some more and realized that it was a reminder, seriously another reminder (there are so many of them in the media and in the game itself) that Ryder was not Shepard. In a way this song is the perfect song because it describes what Ryder is, not what Ryder does.
Shepard was a demigod really. Certainly by the end. He could get promoted to Spectre, with little justification, he could punch reporters without ramification other then perhaps a slap on the wrist from the council, he could also openly declare himself for a known terrorist organization while simultaneously rejecting their spectre status without anymore then a how do you do.
Ryder however, is just a human. He gets questioned by his superiors, has to prove themselves before getting respect, and often gets shut down. This has been an oft criticized part of the game, but only because we are used to Shepard.
Anyways, just an observation.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 23:06:47 GMT
I thought it was Bioware apologizing for the game. j/k
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Post by Melcara on Jun 26, 2017 23:09:04 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 26, 2017 23:10:18 GMT
that link seems quite broken.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 26, 2017 23:12:35 GMT
that link seems quite broken. Fixed. Links are a bitch to copy on the phone:D
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Post by colfoley on Jun 26, 2017 23:14:26 GMT
Yes, yes we get the joke. I mean seriously I post a thread about how it works for the game, and the first two posts in said thread essentially make the same joke. Though I have never seen that particular video.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 26, 2017 23:54:49 GMT
I can be flippant too.
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Post by henkiedepost on Jun 27, 2017 0:40:14 GMT
Hahaha lol. At first I absolutely despised the song, now I can only laugh when I hear it on the radio because it always reminds me of this video. The first time I saw it I got tears in my eyes from laughing too hard :'). But memes aside, colfoley does make a point. Even though I don't like the music, the lyrics do fit Ryder as a character. Clever choice on Bioware's end, just like Ghost Riders in the Sky, back when the game got announced. BUT it doesn't help that Andromeda really wasn't ready to be released. So now the song has, like the other posters here have kindly pointed out, turned into a meme about Bioware as a whole. It has kinda lost its original meaning unfortunately.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2017 0:48:08 GMT
Hahaha lol. At first I absolutely despised the song, now I can only laugh when I hear it on the radio because it always reminds me of this video. The first time I saw it I got tears in my eyes from laughing too hard :'). But memes aside, colfoley does make a point. Even though I don't like the music, the lyrics do fit Ryder as a character. Clever choice on Bioware's end, just like Ghost Riders in the Sky, back when the game got announced. BUT it doesn't help that Andromeda really wasn't ready to be released. So now the song has, like the other posters here have kindly pointed out, turned into a meme about Bioware as a whole. It has kinda lost its original meaning unfortunately. I actually forgot to mention Ghost Riders in the Sky as evidence for why 'human' is about Ryder. Hell pretty much the whole marketing campaign in a lot of ways was very Ryder centric. I think BioWare wanted to let its fans know that, this game does not have Shepard...this game does not have Shepard...hey it does not have Shepard...in an attempt to say that this was going to be a very different character to Shepard.
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Post by kino on Jun 27, 2017 1:55:54 GMT
I really like that song and it fits the character, but I'm not sure how I feel about commercial songs becoming theme songs for a game. Of the commercial songs in the game I really like the one that plays during the closing credits.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 27, 2017 2:29:12 GMT
When this song first dropped as the music to the launch trailer. I was hooked. Despite maybe not being a genre I find usually pallatable...it was a good song. But I was worried because it seemed like at the time BioWare was just going to follow the same grim dark formulae as the Witcher 3 where the game almost took an occasional gleeful neccessity in trolling the hell out of you forcing you to make mistakes...etc. Well to my surprise, and relief, while Ryder can do wrong things in the game and mess up this never felt forced and contrived and the whole tone of the game was far more balanced then that of the Witcher. (Something I complimented BioWare on in the past) But this left the song as an oddity. Because usually, when you market a game, the song in the launch trailer says a lot about the game. Defenders of the Earth, Heart of Courage, the Songs used in the Witcher 3 promotions. Human, despite how awesome it was, did not seem to fit Andromeda. It seemed to fit Liam, I've often joked that Human should have been Liam's personal theme song. But for the game? not really. That is until I thought about it some more and realized that it was a reminder, seriously another reminder (there are so many of them in the media and in the game itself) that Ryder was not Shepard. In a way this song is the perfect song because it describes what Ryder is, not what Ryder does. Shepard was a demigod really. Certainly by the end. He could get promoted to Spectre, with little justification, he could punch reporters without ramification other then perhaps a slap on the wrist from the council, he could also openly declare himself for a known terrorist organization while simultaneously rejecting their spectre status without anymore then a how do you do. Ryder however, is just a human. He gets questioned by his superiors, has to prove themselves before getting respect, and often gets shut down. This has been an oft criticized part of the game, but only because we are used to Shepard. Anyways, just an observation. BioWare is great at filling in their canvas with appropriate music. They have a knack of finding the right musical talent. Whether it was pre-EA with Michael Hoenig, Jeremy Soule, Mark Morgan, Richard Band, Jack Wall or post-EA with John Paesano. They also include pieces from individuals like Lindsey Sterling and Rag-N-Bone. BioWare knows music is essential to its canvas and it's so easy to take it for granted.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2017 2:38:22 GMT
When this song first dropped as the music to the launch trailer. I was hooked. Despite maybe not being a genre I find usually pallatable...it was a good song. But I was worried because it seemed like at the time BioWare was just going to follow the same grim dark formulae as the Witcher 3 where the game almost took an occasional gleeful neccessity in trolling the hell out of you forcing you to make mistakes...etc. Well to my surprise, and relief, while Ryder can do wrong things in the game and mess up this never felt forced and contrived and the whole tone of the game was far more balanced then that of the Witcher. (Something I complimented BioWare on in the past) But this left the song as an oddity. Because usually, when you market a game, the song in the launch trailer says a lot about the game. Defenders of the Earth, Heart of Courage, the Songs used in the Witcher 3 promotions. Human, despite how awesome it was, did not seem to fit Andromeda. It seemed to fit Liam, I've often joked that Human should have been Liam's personal theme song. But for the game? not really. That is until I thought about it some more and realized that it was a reminder, seriously another reminder (there are so many of them in the media and in the game itself) that Ryder was not Shepard. In a way this song is the perfect song because it describes what Ryder is, not what Ryder does. Shepard was a demigod really. Certainly by the end. He could get promoted to Spectre, with little justification, he could punch reporters without ramification other then perhaps a slap on the wrist from the council, he could also openly declare himself for a known terrorist organization while simultaneously rejecting their spectre status without anymore then a how do you do. Ryder however, is just a human. He gets questioned by his superiors, has to prove themselves before getting respect, and often gets shut down. This has been an oft criticized part of the game, but only because we are used to Shepard. Anyways, just an observation. BioWare is great at filling in their canvas with appropriate music. They have a knack of finding the right musical talent. Whether it was pre-EA with Michael Hoenig, Jeremy Soule, Mark Morgan, Richard Band, Jack Wall or post-EA with John Paesano. They also include pieces from individuals like Lindsey Sterling and Rag-N-Bone. BioWare knows music is essential to its canvas and it's so easy to take it for granted. You left out Trevor Morris. His score for Inquisition was phenomonal.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 27, 2017 14:19:00 GMT
BioWare is great at filling in their canvas with appropriate music. They have a knack of finding the right musical talent. Whether it was pre-EA with Michael Hoenig, Jeremy Soule, Mark Morgan, Richard Band, Jack Wall or post-EA with John Paesano. They also include pieces from individuals like Lindsey Sterling and Rag-N-Bone. BioWare knows music is essential to its canvas and it's so easy to take it for granted. You left out Trevor Morris. His score for Inquisition was phenomonal. I did! No offense intended.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 27, 2017 14:32:13 GMT
They knew what kind of quality product they will deliver, that's why they apologize already in the trailer.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 27, 2017 14:59:46 GMT
I agree. I liked the song even before it was used in the trailer, but when I hear it I laugh because all I can think about is the memes the song was used in haha.
Another song that would fit more is this since it was written for the game
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jun 27, 2017 15:25:05 GMT
Agreed.
Shepard could, in the end, dominate reapers like a god and was the only witness of seeing the Leviathan.
Also I feel that for Bioware team the ride was rough and they felt that this song fitted to their experience of working with Andromeda too. Maybe they knew that the game was not perfect. That is what I tend to believe.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 27, 2017 16:03:12 GMT
Start of MEA - Ryder* is above the usual soldier, but not even qualifying for N7 (ok we think that sucks, but N7 is meant to be particularly elite), and he may have never qualified for it and he was just under father's wing for other reasons
End of MEA - Ryder would qualify for N7 and perhaps beyond. He may or may not have even 'won' the 'First Contact War' of a new galaxy instead of just appealing to higher powers (FCW: Asari/Council). And he activates the beginning of something more (Remnant).
*Going male for my character's sake
I stick by my perception that MEA isn't meant to surpass MET, just hopefully be a stepping in by a newer team to surpass at least most of ME1, with intent to keep up with gameplay and technical standards (result: mixed).
Its a MEA2 and maybe MEA3 that would be the 'going beyond Shepard' more outright, perhaps in a newer way, and with an audience hopefully more receptive to that.
I get what they were trying to do, I just think a couple things..: 1)Its not my favorite approach. I think they could have went much more interesting, strange, impressive, than this 'not-Shepard but pre-Shepard but not Shepard!!!1' - though now that they're at it, I'd prefer they follow up for at least one more big game (albeit maybe with a return to ties with MET... personally) 2)The product, like most of the writing, was spotty, more than ever for a SP Bioware RPG (even DA2 issues, ME3 ending, ME2 buttonawesome sense). That's disappointing. I play MEA and throughout it, I feel it all could have happened much more slickly. I see the skeleton happened, lots of the muscle and some fat, but its not 'fleshed out' like I'd see previous BW games at least make sure would happen to substantial extent before releasing, and THEN maybe do most of the rest with DLC. This includes Ryder's character. I don't love him, he's one of my least fav, but I see a structure there of where maybe I could love him the most, and I know that I enjoy playing him more than Shepard (this isn't the same as qualifying the character writing more generally).
"I'm only human" may or may not have been meant for just Ryder, but it came to be known to apply to the whole endeavor. And also leaves a bad taste to the fans who were more interested in finally moving *beyond* a human focused story. But with Mac Walters, fat chance, I guess. He seems to take 'sci fi reflects back on humanity' MUCH more literally than others.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 27, 2017 16:05:39 GMT
Agreed. Shepard could, in the end, dominate reapers like a god and was the only witness of seeing the Leviathan. Also I feel that for Bioware team the ride was rough and they felt that this song fitted to their experience of working with Andromeda too. Maybe they knew that the game was not perfect. That is what I tend to believe. I think so too. I'd almost be surprised if that wasn't the case. I wonder if people in charge rationally understand this as well, know that this isn't the best work, but also know that with a better circumstance, things can be better and there's all sorts of setup for that to happen. I wonder it, and hope for it. Because I'd rather a break for a couple years (before full production again; so really not too much different from DAI-DA4), than a Dead Space situation.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2017 18:53:57 GMT
Start of MEA - Ryder* is above the usual soldier, but not even qualifying for N7 (ok we think that sucks, but N7 is meant to be particularly elite), and he may have never qualified for it and he was just under father's wing for other reasons End of MEA - Ryder would qualify for N7 and perhaps beyond. He may or may not have even 'won' the 'First Contact War' of a new galaxy instead of just appealing to higher powers (FCW: Asari/Council). And he activates the beginning of something more (Remnant). *Going male for my character's sake I stick by my perception that MEA isn't meant to surpass MET, just hopefully be a stepping in by a newer team to surpass at least most of ME1, with intent to keep up with gameplay and technical standards (result: mixed). Its a MEA2 and maybe MEA3 that would be the 'going beyond Shepard' more outright, perhaps in a newer way, and with an audience hopefully more receptive to that. I get what they were trying to do, I just think a couple things..: 1)Its not my favorite approach. I think they could have went much more interesting, strange, impressive, than this 'not-Shepard but pre-Shepard but not Shepard!!!1' - though now that they're at it, I'd prefer they follow up for at least one more big game (albeit maybe with a return to ties with MET... personally) 2)The product, like most of the writing, was spotty, more than ever for a SP Bioware RPG (even DA2 issues, ME3 ending, ME2 buttonawesome sense). That's disappointing. I play MEA and throughout it, I feel it all could have happened much more slickly. I see the skeleton happened, lots of the muscle and some fat, but its not 'fleshed out' like I'd see previous BW games at least make sure would happen to substantial extent before releasing, and THEN maybe do most of the rest with DLC. This includes Ryder's character. I don't love him, he's one of my least fav, but I see a structure there of where maybe I could love him the most, and I know that I enjoy playing him more than Shepard (this isn't the same as qualifying the character writing more generally). "I'm only human" may or may not have been meant for just Ryder, but it came to be known to apply to the whole endeavor. And also leaves a bad taste to the fans who were more interested in finally moving *beyond* a human focused story. But with Mac Walters, fat chance, I guess. He seems to take 'sci fi reflects back on humanity' MUCH more literally than others. it would have been insane had the game tried to surpass the MET in order of stakes and cool factor. Given how powerful the Reapers were. But you are right now that they are past the world building stage they can move on. Its also why i don't mind the characters being weaker then usual.
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Post by trinity0 on Jun 28, 2017 20:36:56 GMT
In my opinion SAM and not Ryder is the real hero of MEA. So for me the song not really fits
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In my opinion SAM and not Ryder is the real hero of MEA. So for me the song not really fits Disagree. If Ryder didn't have it in them to go forward despite the cost, Meridian would have been lost to the Kett. Remember, this happened when the Archon severed Ryder's connection to SAM. Sure, it got reestablished, but had Ryder waited around for that to happen it would have been a failure. Ryder grew from an untested and unprepared member of the pathfinder team to a very capable pathfinder. SAM wasn't feeding Ryder the words to say to convince others to join the cause or to believe.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 30, 2017 4:59:18 GMT
In my opinion SAM and not Ryder is the real hero of MEA. So for me the song not really fits Disagree. If Ryder didn't have it in them to go forward despite the cost, Meridian would have been lost to the Kett. Remember, this happened when the Archon severed Ryder's connection to SAM. Sure, it got reestablished, but had Ryder waited around for that to happen it would have been a failure. Ryder grew from an untested and unprepared member of the pathfinder team to a very capable pathfinder. SAM wasn't feeding Ryder the words to say to convince others to join the cause or to believe. SAM was a glorified tricorder.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 30, 2017 5:05:14 GMT
Disagree. If Ryder didn't have it in them to go forward despite the cost, Meridian would have been lost to the Kett. Remember, this happened when the Archon severed Ryder's connection to SAM. Sure, it got reestablished, but had Ryder waited around for that to happen it would have been a failure. Ryder grew from an untested and unprepared member of the pathfinder team to a very capable pathfinder. SAM wasn't feeding Ryder the words to say to convince others to join the cause or to believe. SAM was a glorified tricorder. SAM is an artificial intelligence and, I think, important to the mission. I doubt a lot of successes would have been possible without SAM. Certainly, the connection Ryder had to SAM versus what others on the pathfinder team had was significantly different. Still, SAM remains a tool. That tool is utterly useless without someone to do something with it. This remains true of SAM. But let's put it like this. Remove EDI from the equation in ME2. Do we get the IFF? Is the ship able to remove the Collector virus from its system? Who stops Joker from being abducted by the Collectors, along with the ship no doubt? No one. Without EDI, the mission is a failure, the Reapers invade and the MW gets reset for a new cycle. In that case, be thankful SAM exists when the AI reaches Andromeda because all of the MW races would be long dead.
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