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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 30, 2017 20:51:12 GMT
I'm obviously not a game developer and therefore am ignorant of the ins and outs of decision making about games, but nevertheless I do find it odd that Bioware did not use their official response to the hoax as an opportunity to confirm that they are working on some single player DLC that would be coming out sometime in the future. At this point, some amount of clarification or confirmation of impending DLC would be be helpful, IMO. In my view, the #1 reason EA/BioWare don't announce DLC is because from a revenue recognition perspective, when they do they have to accrue the revenue and that has market and tax implications. As long as they say nothing, the profit accruals don't have to go on the books. Reading around (particularly a poster called suibhne on RPGwatch), if EA/BioWare sell a game (MEA) without reference to there being DLC, (which they did) then they can recognize all the revenue from game sales up front (i.e. within Financial Year 2016/17). If however a DLC is advertised, without knowing of course how it will sell, that creates an ongoing performance obligation for which companies are obliged to withhold a portion of revenue for later recognition once the DLC has been delivered. I think this is why they don't have a Season Pass, which presumably sets the same obligations. This is not necessarily about cash in the bank (people pay for the games up front) but it could impact how a company recognizes profit (and how much of it) which could affect investor and market valuations. If DLC is announced shortly before launch then there is a shortest possible period between the revenue having to be recognized and the actual cash arriving. TL;DR Not saying anything about DLC is likely a financial obligation, not because they don't want to. I am not an accountant, just trying to get my head around it, happy to take corrections from accountants. Unlikely. It's rather down to announcing to have additional sales affect the stock price. That's what the SEC cares about - not taxation.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 20:52:26 GMT
"Sinclair Networks" has nothing to do with his sources. You're conflating the two totally separate things. SN was amateur hour. No one with a functioning brain stem should've fallen for that, much less a journalist who has demonstrably real connections to major gaming studios, including Bioware itself. I should have made it clearer, I wasn't saying SN was Jason's source. I was referring to them as a 'source' as they'd been behind a lot of info releases prior to this. The only reason Jason is being discussed here is because this has all blown up around SN and for some reason, Jason inserted himself into the aftermath with another 'repeat what has been said before' article. You're correct about his track record (at least insofar as this kind of article, his record isn't completely clean) which is part of the reason why I'm so perplexed by his behaviour. No part of being 'fascinated' by the response would require him cherry pick screenshots and stick them on twitter to play the persecution card.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:53:27 GMT
That is amazing. So this is basically his MO. Attacking, trolling, banning if possible then apologizing profusely after losing his shit. I'm not sure if it's sad or funny or both but that behavior is quite childish and somewhat mentally unstable. Even if I was inclined to trust him, I certainly would not now. How can anyone possibly trust someone who behaves in that manner?
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Post by vampyrekitty on Jun 30, 2017 20:53:31 GMT
Does anyone else think that if there really is no DLC that that would be akin to Bioware shooting itself in the foot? Wouldn't that be giving in to all the critics and basically admitting the game sucked?
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 20:53:46 GMT
You... actually think that it's professional for a journalist to trawl a fan forum so he can post screenshots on Twitter just because people aren't taking what he says as gospel? Are you a poe? Sigh, gamers.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 30, 2017 20:54:01 GMT
Is Jason still watching us? I'm creeped out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:54:30 GMT
... and in so doing, he drew a lot of extra suspicion his way... suspicion that wasn't there before he did that. If he was confident of his first article being correct, it would have been more professional to just let it stand and let time take care of proving it. It's not what he did and he's now paying the price for that. All I've said is that, IMO, is unprofessional on his part... and you just can't stand that I'm sending a little "constructive" criticism his way. He's got a real fanboy in you, doesn't he? Does it always inevitably get personal with you? Noticing a pattern. I'll steer clear of guesting in podcasts. The only fanboyism I'm struggling with right now is my MEA fanboyism. I'm not particularly happy about this news. But again, just because I don't like it, doesn't mean it's bullshit. ... and where have I said it's bullshit? I'm the one here who said that Bioware had not actually stated that there would be DLC and that Jason's first article may be correct... and, if he was indeed confident that it was correct, he should have just let it stand at that - not ranted on social media, not written the second article. If correct, his first article would prove itself in the long run and he would have come up smelling like a rose; his credibility would have never been questioned; and you and I would not be having this discussion right now. Personally, I have no opinion on the "news" itself... I'm happy enough with the game as it is. I'll replay it endlessly even if they don't release any DLC. If they do, I'll buy it because I like the game enough to do so. IMO, Bioware will announce something eventually. I'll wait until they do before tying myself in any sort of knot over it. If they announce a second ME:A game someday, I'll be happy about that too; but I'm not going to fret over them not announcing one right away. I've honestly lived too long to worry about that sort of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:54:32 GMT
That is amazing. So this is basically his MO. Attacking, trolling, banning if possible then apologizing profusely after losing his shit. I'm not sure if it's sad or funny or both but that behavior is quite childish and somewhat mentally unstable. Even if I was inclined to trust him, I certainly would not now. How can anyone possibly trust someone who behaves in that manner? I guess we're the new GAF.
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Post by Wulfram on Jun 30, 2017 20:55:07 GMT
I don't know whether this guy's reporting is accurate or not, but so far he just seems like a huge douche. He's a legitimate enough journalist, and his reporting is more likely to right than not, but yeah he also seems like a jerk
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 30, 2017 20:56:24 GMT
How is it professional by any definition? Neither professional nor unprofessional. Welcome to journalists as humans, people who are internet savvy enough to read forums and post their opinions/thoughts/observations/targets of wry amusement on social media. That's bullshit. Journalists are human and use social media, but using it as a professional tool to report the news is very different from being a tool who mocks people who don't like you.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 30, 2017 20:56:36 GMT
"Sinclair Networks" has nothing to do with his sources. You're conflating the two totally separate things. SN was amateur hour. No one with a functioning brain stem should've fallen for that, much less a journalist who has demonstrably real connections to major gaming studios, including Bioware itself. I should have made it clearer, I wasn't saying SN was Jason's source. I was referring to them as a 'source' as they'd been behind a lot of info releases prior to this. The only reason Jason is being discussed here is because this has all blown up around SN and for some reason, Jason inserted himself into the aftermath with another 'repeat what has been said before' article. You're correct about his track record (at least insofar as this kind of article, his record isn't completely clean) which is part of the reason why I'm so perplexed by his behaviour. No part of being 'fascinated' by the response would require him cherry pick screenshots and stick them on twitter to play the persecution card. i think he has some bone to pick with mass effect as a franchise. If he reports honestly about most other games but writes this kind of weird CNN style crap about mass effect...then the only different factor is Mass Effect.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 30, 2017 20:57:23 GMT
Alright, guys. After two hours this thread has five more pages of people complaining about this journalist or about Kotaku. Or fightning each other about their own opinions. I mean... Take it easy, everyone. What you guys really think about the matter? About the fact that a ME:A DLC seems to be way too far? Of course, and again, this is IMO, but do you guys really think ME:A is getting any DLC so soon when the game have a way to go on patches and fixes? I think you guys have to face the fact that ME:A still have problems to be resolved and this will take time. With Anthem on the way, we may have faith, but I wouldn't bet it at all anymore. We have to accept that I love the franchise, I really want ME:A to get a sequel, REALLY, but lets be a little more sensible to discuss the matter. SofNascimento I don't completely know him or his work, but I agree with you. I have an incredibly, reliable unnamed source that says we're getting DLC. Okay. It's one in the books. Okay?!? Everything that was mentioned before by BioWare is actually (yeah, maybe it's really true) going to come to fruition. What's my source? It's anonymous. Now, let's see who's right after mid-July?
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 30, 2017 20:58:11 GMT
Alright, guys. After two hours this thread has five more pages of people complaining about this journalist or about Kotaku. Or fightning each other about their own opinions. I mean... Take it easy, everyone. What you guys really think about the matter? About the fact that a ME:A DLC seems to be way too far? Of course, and again, this is IMO, but do you guys really think ME:A is getting any DLC so soon when the game have a way to go on patches and fixes? I think you guys have to face the fact that ME:A still have problems to be resolved and this will take time. With Anthem on the way, we may have faith, but I wouldn't bet it at all anymore. We have to accept that I love the franchise, I really want ME:A to get a sequel, REALLY, but lets be a little more sensible to discuss the matter. I personally think a sequel at this point is extremely unlikely. As for DLC? I dunno was there ever any official word out of all this? If not I'm rather doubting that was well. I guess if they had already started some development we might get 1 SP DLC, but I'm not counting on it.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 30, 2017 20:58:29 GMT
Is Jason still watching us? I'm creeped out. Hey Jason! Why don't you create an account and talk to us!
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jun 30, 2017 20:59:53 GMT
"Sinclair Networks" has nothing to do with his sources. You're conflating the two totally separate things. SN was amateur hour. No one with a functioning brain stem should've fallen for that, much less a journalist who has demonstrably real connections to major gaming studios, including Bioware itself. Right--conversely, it doesn't make it true... But that's when Jason's strong record of reporting leaks comes into play. There's nothing really bizarre about a reporter doing their due diligence. From what I've gathered, people questioned his confidence that there was no DLC development (well okay, some people also questioned his sanity/professionalism/credibility/manhood/right to exist, but you can't help those people), he wanted to make sure he wasn't assuming wrongly, rechecked with sources, then wrote about getting a specific confirmation. The twitter thing is him clearly fascinated by the rationalizations and personal attacks. We're kind of a sad petri dish of nerdery that deserves some gawking at. I'm trying to be objective, and I see that Jason has earned the benefit of the doubt, though I'd be super thrilled if he was wrong (and still holding diminishing hope that he is). Even if I found Jason to be the Worst Person EVAR, his record is what it is. Who he is and how he behaves on facacta social media has jackshit to do with anything (not that I think he's acted weird at all). I don't think it's bad that people are skeptical, but a lot of this has gone beyond reasonable skepticism and straight into denialism, and even a bit of conspiracy theory quackery and malicious lies. Is... is that you, Jason? *shifty eyes*
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 30, 2017 21:00:34 GMT
Hey Jason! Why don't you create an account and talk to us! Yes. I'll force artist KaiserShep to take my money and draw my avatar. (I know talent when I see it.) Also, Colfoley and Smilesja are excellent writers. They're great at crafting a story! Also, Abaris, Serza, Croatsky, Kino, GladiolosofAugustus and Suikoden worked together to uncover a hoax. Also, Jay... dude... lighten up. I'm going to buy that book. I know for certain, you will at least get 90% of it right. It will make for a great insight into what went down.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 30, 2017 21:01:16 GMT
He wants attention boys and girls. Avoid giving it to him by going on his twitter. No way I'll interact with him on twitter, let alone with his fanboys. They would be even worse to deal with.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 21:03:05 GMT
Neither professional nor unprofessional. Welcome to journalists as humans, people who are internet savvy enough to read forums and post their opinions/thoughts/observations/targets of wry amusement on social media. That's bullshit. Journalists are human and use social media, but using it as a professional tool to report the news is very different from being a tool who mocks people who don't like you. He doesn't use Twitter to report the news. He has Kotaku for that. I assume he uses Twitter like anyone else uses Twitter, to post whatever's on one's mind. Or to troll Trumpanzees. That's the only reason I sporadically use Twitter. This thread is sad and hilarious. Sadlarious.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 30, 2017 21:03:15 GMT
"Sinclair Networks" has nothing to do with his sources. You're conflating the two totally separate things. SN was amateur hour. No one with a functioning brain stem should've fallen for that, much less a journalist who has demonstrably real connections to major gaming studios, including Bioware itself. Right--conversely, it doesn't make it true... But that's when Jason's strong record of reporting leaks comes into play. There's nothing really bizarre about a reporter doing their due diligence. From what I've gathered, people questioned his confidence that there was no DLC development (well okay, some people also questioned his sanity/professionalism/credibility/manhood/right to exist, but you can't help those people), he wanted to make sure he wasn't assuming wrongly, rechecked with sources, then wrote about getting a specific confirmation. The twitter thing is him clearly fascinated by the rationalizations and personal attacks. We're kind of a sad petri dish of nerdery that deserves some gawking at. I'm trying to be objective, and I see that Jason has earned the benefit of the doubt, though I'd be super thrilled if he was wrong (and still holding diminishing hope that he is). Even if I found Jason to be the Worst Person EVAR, his record is what it is. Who he is and how he behaves on facacta social media has jackshit to do with anything (not that I think he's acted weird at all). I don't think it's bad that people are skeptical, but a lot of this has gone beyond reasonable skepticism and straight into denialism, and even a bit of conspiracy theory quackery and malicious lies. Is... is that you, Jason? *shifty eyes* Maybe Jason multiple accounts! He could you! Or he could be me!
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 30, 2017 21:03:37 GMT
I have an incredibly, reliable unnamed source that says we're getting DLC. Okay. It's one in the books. Okay?!? Everything that was mentioned before by BioWare is actually (yeah, maybe it's really true) going to come to fruition. What's my source? It's anonymous. Now, let's see who's right after mid-July? Can't tell if serious or sarcastic.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jun 30, 2017 21:04:09 GMT
Is Jason still watching us? I'm creeped out. Jason's watching you masturbate. Which, I mean, could be your thing. I dunno. I'm not here to judge.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 21:04:30 GMT
That is amazing. So this is basically his MO. Attacking, trolling, banning if possible then apologizing profusely after losing his shit. I'm not sure if it's sad or funny or both but that behavior is quite childish and somewhat mentally unstable. Even if I was inclined to trust him, I certainly would not now. How can anyone possibly trust someone who behaves in that manner? I have to admit that I would have been less inclined to read his articles if I'd seen that. That's pretty weird. But consistent.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 21:04:43 GMT
"Sinclair Networks" has nothing to do with his sources. You're conflating the two totally separate things. SN was amateur hour. No one with a functioning brain stem should've fallen for that, much less a journalist who has demonstrably real connections to major gaming studios, including Bioware itself. Right--conversely, it doesn't make it true... But that's when Jason's strong record of reporting leaks comes into play. There's nothing really bizarre about a reporter doing their due diligence. From what I've gathered, people questioned his confidence that there was no DLC development (well okay, some people also questioned his sanity/professionalism/credibility/manhood/right to exist, but you can't help those people), he wanted to make sure he wasn't assuming wrongly, rechecked with sources, then wrote about getting a specific confirmation. The twitter thing is him clearly fascinated by the rationalizations and personal attacks. We're kind of a sad petri dish of nerdery that deserves some gawking at. I'm trying to be objective, and I see that Jason has earned the benefit of the doubt, though I'd be super thrilled if he was wrong (and still holding diminishing hope that he is). Even if I found Jason to be the Worst Person EVAR, his record is what it is. Who he is and how he behaves on facacta social media has jackshit to do with anything (not that I think he's acted weird at all). I don't think it's bad that people are skeptical, but a lot of this has gone beyond reasonable skepticism and straight into denialism, and even a bit of conspiracy theory quackery and malicious lies. Is... is that you, Jason? *shifty eyes* Yes. AMA
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 30, 2017 21:07:08 GMT
He doesn't use Twitter to report the news. That is literally why journalists use Twitter. They link to articles. They don't link to the comments sections and laugh at the responses.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 30, 2017 21:09:38 GMT
Is... is that you, Jason? *shifty eyes* Maybe Jason multiple accounts! He could you! Or he could be me! or me... I swear I would've called BioWare out like that... bigwigs. What am I saying? I do.
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