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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
So basically he sucks no matter what? Yeah, that's kind of an intellectually lazy position. Unfalsifiable convictions are weak convictions. Like Kotaku basically.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 30, 2017 22:07:29 GMT
DAII was received a little better than Andromeda is. Besides, Andromeda may be mediocre in the scoring department but it's far from financial failure so I don't see why DLC wouldn't happen. Various games triple A or not with scores in the 70s get DLC all the time. The only reason Andromeda wouldn't get any is if EA is strict on spending if the game didn't get very far past the profit line, and I don't know sales so no comment on that. EA likes money, and if they've already put money towards a DLC, why not just finish it and release it? The only reason I can see that it wouldn't get a DLC is because EA decided to move all their resources to Anthem, which sounds like a terrible strategy. Dumping DLC can be worth it if it's not far into development. It's also worth doing if the game itself didn't make much which again I don't know. EA likes money but they know when to drop things, they've done it to various franchises. anthem won't take resources from anyone else cause it's a different studio entirely, blaming Anthem just makes people a hothead that isn't thinking correctly in the matter.. No one knows its budget yet, no one knows much about it besides the most experienced studio working on it and what was shown at E3. They didn't invest in multiple studios for nothing, the point is to have a studio for each franchise, so if DLC is dropped it's on the mass effect team and not Anthem. Same applies if people say Andromeda is bad because of Anthem. ME fans can get mad at Anthem all they want, but Anthem wasn't made for them in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:09:30 GMT
PC Gamer claims they have "a pretty good record of getting things right". last paragraphSo you think PC gamer is way off the mark there? Absolutely. Jason has an overblown reputation, just because he made two big hit-pieces, while otherwise has chequered history. I'm generally skeptical of journalism without some verifiable facts to corroborate the story. There's too much "according to our sources who spoke with us on condition of anonymity" in the news. Or "experts say that bla bla", which really means, "in my opinion", lol.
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Post by cypherj on Jun 30, 2017 22:09:38 GMT
They were trying to reboot the Mass Effect series with Andromeda. If they don't think the game got the traction they had hoped for, where they think another game would be worthwhile, they may just have said, we tried, it didn't catch on, let's just let the series go. The game could have had huge preorder numbers, and then had the sales just fall off the table after the first week. Maybe their data says lower than the anticipated number of people finished the game or played it more than once. Who knows what EA is looking at, or what their expectation were. Even assuming that is the case it's a poor busines that throws something out because of simply less than expected results without looking a little further at why. It's a big leap to conclude that a poor reception for Andromeda means people aren't interested in Mass Effect, although less of one if it's that producing Mass Effect costs more than they'd like, they'd rather put resource towards churning out stuff people will buy regardless, or they don't have faith in the people in charge of creating it. Just hypothetical of course. As for DLC such stories have turned out to have weight behind all the drivel in the past, so I wouldn't be particularly amazed at this stage if there wasn't any. Which would be a pity. Like I said, who knows what EA is looking at. If the reception was very bad, putting out another game without the weight of the OT driving pre-orders does put them at risk of the game actually not being profitable. Especially if the gap between games is large. Look at Origin, new IP, put out in Nov, first DLC in Jan, Expansion in March, DLC is April. May and June, and then DA2 a year and a half later. They put something out, it was successful and they kept striking while the iron was hot, they couldn't get content out fast enough. That didn't happen here obviously. They may have said they won't truly accept it if it isn't Shepard, who knows.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 30, 2017 22:09:55 GMT
While I agree it's healthy to maintain a dose of skepticism regarding any news regarding Mass Effect at this point, let's not venture into the IT end of the spectrum.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 30, 2017 22:10:02 GMT
Either he had real sources or it is guesswork. Anonymous sources aren't going to come out into the open if there is no DLC, and if you bullshit you're gonna get it right sometimes. There isn't going to be a way to know for sure. But people with an opinion or agenda will spin it to suit themselves regardless. So basically he sucks no matter what? Only if you want him to. His articles will be spun by both sides to suit themselves whatever actually happens.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 22:10:19 GMT
Yeah, that's kind of an intellectually lazy position. Unfalsifiable convictions are weak convictions. Like Kotaku basically. Not at all. If no DLC happens, give Jason his due. If it does, clearly Jason was wrong, and you can all do what you're doing now but for actual reasons.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jun 30, 2017 22:10:19 GMT
Journalism these days - with apologies to the Washington Post and New York Times which are doing actual journalism - is basically one person at one outlet writing a story, and then every other outlet rushing all over themselves to write stories based on that story with quotes from that story and no actual research or effort of their own. And then when/if it falls apart, people can say "see, 17 news outlets got it wrong, the media is lying to you!" when, in actuality, it was just one outlet that got it wrong, and 16 that just jumped straight in to the circle jerk. Journalism used to be ABOUT something. This... this is a traveshamockery.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Jun 30, 2017 22:10:38 GMT
Just a little comparison: DLC for DAI: JoH announced on 3/23 - released 3/24 The Descent announced 8/5 less than a week before release (8/11) Trespasser announced 8/29 and released 9/8 Don't get so whipped up by these articles proclaiming doom. If they're going to release dlc chances are there won't be a lot of fanfare, they'll just be like *drop* DLC. If and when that times comes I'd like Fen'Harel Faceman to find a gif of everyone turning to look at one person and then another of someone eating crow. Thanks.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 22:10:53 GMT
I don ´ t have to make fun of him. He did that all by himself. I ´ m just pointing out that certain people are just too willing to believe unconfirmed bullshit over known facts. And other people, who like to boldly call themselves ´ journalists ´ , are more than ready to make cash from that unconfirmed bullshit. If he is so sure about his claims, why is he creeping around this forum and using Twitter to insult people, who chose not to agree with him? And if it turns out he was right about no DLCs? Then at best, he can argue his mysterious sources were right. The main issue with this is that he hasn't actually said anything that would indicate he has any further insight into what is going on beyond anyone else. He hasn't published any exposes about what the cancelled DLC would have involved, or been able to name any names, or whatever. This is completely different to his article on Destiny, which was also fed by unnamed sources but also had sufficient detail to map out how the original campaign was supposed to play prior to the reset. There's literally no way he can prove he knew anything beyond saying he predicted the right binary result.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:11:21 GMT
EA likes money, and if they've already put money towards a DLC, why not just finish it and release it? The only reason I can see that it wouldn't get a DLC is because EA decided to move all their resources to Anthem, which sounds like a terrible strategy. Dumping DLC can be worth it if it's not far into development. It's also worth doing if the game itself didn't make much which again I don't know. EA likes money but they know when to drop things, they've done it to various franchises. anthem won't take resources from anyone else cause it's a different studio entirely, blaming Anthem just makes people a hothead that isn't thinking correctly in the matter.. No one knows its budget yet, no one knows much about it besides the most experienced studio working on it and what was shown at E3. They didn't invest in multiple studios for nothing, the point is to have a studio for each franchise, so if DLC is dropped it's on the mass effect team and not Anthem. Same applies if people say Andromeda is bad because of Anthem. ME fans can get mad at Anthem all they want, but Anthem wasn't made for them in mind. Except the fact , that whole Sinclair hoax tried to start hate train against Anthem by telling ME fans that its development took almost all resources away from MEA. Is fact checking really that hard?
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 30, 2017 22:11:58 GMT
No, I've had enough. This is getting ridiculous. Reporting someone else's article with information from anonymous sources isn't journalism. 3rd hand journalism isn't news, it's hearsay and gossip. PC Gamer should know better than this. And yet they don't. Can you imagine the state of games journalism in 10 years time? Urghh This is nuts, they at least were respectable. Now we live in a world where rumor is news.
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Post by MrR40 on Jun 30, 2017 22:12:04 GMT
Even Comical Ali was more credible then this copy-paste " journalism ". I never visit these kind of gaming news sites anyway.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 30, 2017 22:15:37 GMT
Except the fact , that whole Sinclair hoax tried to start hate train against Anthem by telling ME fans that its development took almost all resources away from MEA. Is fact checking really that hard? That is, sadly, not so difficult to believe anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:15:44 GMT
PC Gamer claims they have "a pretty good record of getting things right". last paragraphSo you think PC gamer is way off the mark there? Let's speculate! WOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo! I thought that was your specialty.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 30, 2017 22:17:46 GMT
Let's speculate! WOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo! I thought that was your specialty. damn straight. That Wooooo! is me bein' happy! You're alright Novatrex!
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 30, 2017 22:19:09 GMT
This is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:19:10 GMT
Except the fact , that whole Sinclair hoax tried to start hate train against Anthem by telling ME fans that its development took almost all resources away from MEA. Is fact checking really that hard? That is, sadly, not so difficult to believe anymore. You missed my point completely. Nevermind.
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 30, 2017 22:19:27 GMT
anthem won't take resources from anyone else cause it's a different studio entirely, blaming Anthem just makes people a hothead that isn't thinking correctly in the matter. Wasn't trying to be a hothead, but I may have mixed up my rumor mills. Didn't Jason's previous article about downsizing the team mention that team members were moved? If they weren't moved to Anthem/DA4, then where to? edited: can't look at the article right now
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Post by Uchimura on Jun 30, 2017 22:20:01 GMT
My sources are telling me that he's had some hand in the hoax. I'll let you know in 6 months, 'til then enjoy this news byte and buy my book.
/s - I'm not actually selling any books.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 30, 2017 22:20:02 GMT
Dumping DLC can be worth it if it's not far into development. It's also worth doing if the game itself didn't make much which again I don't know. EA likes money but they know when to drop things, they've done it to various franchises. anthem won't take resources from anyone else cause it's a different studio entirely, blaming Anthem just makes people a hothead that isn't thinking correctly in the matter.. No one knows its budget yet, no one knows much about it besides the most experienced studio working on it and what was shown at E3. They didn't invest in multiple studios for nothing, the point is to have a studio for each franchise, so if DLC is dropped it's on the mass effect team and not Anthem. Same applies if people say Andromeda is bad because of Anthem. ME fans can get mad at Anthem all they want, but Anthem wasn't made for them in mind. Except the fact , that whole Sinclair hoax tried to start hate train against Anthem by telling ME fans that its development took almost all resources away from MEA. Is fact checking really that hard? And they'd be hotheads to believe it. *shrug* various studios and publishers run various franchises just fine without them taking away from each other. Bethesda, Ubisoft, blizzard, turbine, etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:20:03 GMT
anthem won't take resources from anyone else cause it's a different studio entirely, blaming Anthem just makes people a hothead that isn't thinking correctly in the matter. Wasn't trying to be a hothead, but I may have mixed up my rumor mills. Didn't Jason's previous article about downsizing the team mention that team members were moved? If they weren't moved to Anthem/DA4, then where to? Some went to BF2.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 30, 2017 22:20:24 GMT
This is almost as funny as the fake election news. Edit: I'm N4 now whoooo!😁
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 30, 2017 22:21:40 GMT
anthem won't take resources from anyone else cause it's a different studio entirely, blaming Anthem just makes people a hothead that isn't thinking correctly in the matter. Wasn't trying to be a hothead, but I may have mixed up my rumor mills. Didn't Jason's previous article about downsizing the team mention that team members were moved? If they weren't moved to Anthem/DA4, then where to? edited: can't look at the article right now Star Wars BFII and Anthem. However you don't need a full group to do DLC, only a fraction.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 22:25:21 GMT
Except the fact , that whole Sinclair hoax tried to start hate train against Anthem by telling ME fans that its development took almost all resources away from MEA. Is fact checking really that hard? And they'd be hotheads to believe it. *shrug* various studios and publishers run various franchises just fine without them taking away from each other. Bethesda, Ubisoft, blizzard, turbine, etc etc. Try explaining that to idiots, who read only clickbait articles and watch stupid Youtube videos.
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