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Post by Sondergaard on Jul 1, 2017 9:54:37 GMT
It's not a misrepresentation though. For that vast majority of people those GIFs ARE Mass Effect Andromeda. They either played before patches or saw the YouTube videos and never bought the game in the first place. Every game has glitches, no 2017 AAA release had glitches like ME:A. Every problem ME:A has is down to EA/BioWare, not internet hate. Says the hater. Fun fact: I ´ ve been playing MEA since day 1 and literally NEVER saw any of these glitches occur in my game. Oh for pity's sake grow up. Pointing out facts is now ''hate'? No wonder BSN (the ME:A boards anyway) has become a laughing stock. Used to be a place to debate and exchange ideas. Now it's conspiracies, 'teh haterz did it!', 'fake news!' and tin foil hats. Alex Jones would be right at home here.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 1, 2017 9:56:30 GMT
That quote from EA is from an investor earnings call conference designed to foster confidence so take it with mountains of salt. Actions speak louder than words and their actions tell a different story.
I'm sure Take Two and Ubisoft had many great things to say about Evolve and the Division and what difference did it make?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 1, 2017 9:58:16 GMT
5 years down the line, people will feel the same about MEA and ask why it was ever trashed so badly. Of course, many are doing that right now on Twitter and YouTube, so it might not take that long either. Oh and DA2 was my first BW game! In 5 years people will hate ME:A2 and say ME:A was BioWare's last great game, as they fallen from grace after Anthem and DA4. Because same shit happened after ME1 was released, then especially with ME2, then when ME3 came as well. This doom and gloom reaction happens every time BioWare release a game. It is a tiresome trend. That's a lot of hyperbole right there. No Bioware game has suffered the wrath of the internet like Andromeda. That's why this is first one that won't get DLC. Gotta polish that reputation so Bioware Edmonton can swoop in and save the company.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 10:00:31 GMT
In 5 years people will hate ME:A2 and say ME:A was BioWare's last great game, as they fallen from grace after Anthem and DA4. Because same shit happened after ME1 was released, then especially with ME2, then when ME3 came as well. This doom and gloom reaction happens every time BioWare release a game. It is a tiresome trend. That's a lot of hyperbole right there. No Bioware game has suffered the wrath of the internet like Andromeda. That's why this is first one that won't get DLC. Gotta polish that reputation so Bioware Edmonton can swoop in and save the company. Dragon Age 2 and ME3 endings backlash were massive. ME:A bakclash is tame in comparison. Don't sell me your revisionist history.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 1, 2017 10:01:48 GMT
5 years down the line, people will feel the same about MEA and ask why it was ever trashed so badly. Of course, many are doing that right now on Twitter and YouTube, so it might not take that long either. Oh and DA2 was my first BW game! In 5 years people will hate ME:A2 and say ME:A was BioWare's last great game, as they fallen from grace after Anthem and DA4. Because same shit happened after ME1 was released, then especially with ME2, then when ME3 came as well. This doom and gloom reaction happens every time BioWare release a game. It is a tiresome trend. This. Having been a die-hard fan of the series since before the PC version of ME1 released, every single game that has come out in the series (including the first) has been trashed by The Internet to some degree or another. For example: ME1 represented a terrible departure from the in-depth worlds of KOTOR and in reality only lasted 8 hours when you remove the filler. Also the Mako was uncontrollable and required a cheat to get past Feros. ME2 wrecked the canon and was too much anime and not enough hard core sci fi done properly like ME1. It also didn't have any exploration and no Mako. ME3 had the worst ending in history and the inability to holster weapons ruined all the immersion and Casey should have been fired. MEA is worse than Aliens Colonial Marines. Presumably MEA2 (if it ever arrives) will herald the apocalypse and give someone AIDS. The only significant difference has been MEA's lower review scores, which does follow given that its a fair argument to say its the weakest ME game. That is a misleading statement though as the other three are some of the greatest games ever made.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 1, 2017 10:02:53 GMT
In 5 years people will hate ME:A2 and say ME:A was BioWare's last great game, as they fallen from grace after Anthem and DA4. Because same shit happened after ME1 was released, then especially with ME2, then when ME3 came as well. This doom and gloom reaction happens every time BioWare release a game. It is a tiresome trend. No Bioware game has suffered the wrath of the internet like Andromeda. Are you surprised ? After 5 years development people been expecting really AMAZING game from such a company like BW. Of course yt trolls did their job too, but if MEA will be more mature and better written, it will defend itself and even a 100 trolls spreading her tired face couldn't change it.
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Post by Sondergaard on Jul 1, 2017 10:04:11 GMT
That's a lot of hyperbole right there. No Bioware game has suffered the wrath of the internet like Andromeda. That's why this is first one that won't get DLC. Gotta polish that reputation so Bioware Edmonton can swoop in and save the company. Dragon Age 2 and ME3 endings backlash were massive. ME:A bakclash is tame in comparison. Don't sell me your revisionist history. I wrote quite a bit pointing out how delusional you are, but I'm simply going to retire and leave you to your safe space.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 1, 2017 10:04:56 GMT
That quote from EA is from an investor earnings call conference designed to foster confidence so take it with mountains of salt. Actions speak louder than words and their actions tell a different story. That's exactly the same logic that argued Bioware devs were lying when they claimed they'd never heard of Sinclair Networks. 'SURE THEY SAID THAT BUT THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO THEY GOTTA BE LYING AMIRITE'
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Jul 1, 2017 10:06:02 GMT
I too must share my admiration for DA 2. Best RP protagonist ever, amazing Roleplay period, and Act 2 was one of the best if not the best story I've ever played in a video game...but then Act 3 happened. Mayhaps Varric was running out of time and his editor was getting...antsy... ...also a huge fan of DA2. I'm waiting for the official word. If it sold well enough, they'll make DLC and a sequel. Criticism won't matter much if the sales are high enough. BvS, Suicide Squad...look at movies. How many Transformers movies have had great reviews? How many times have the reviewers acted as if someone forced them to sit through it, and only had their review as means of venting? Hmmm...a few. Like some have said, there was still a WHOLE lotta hate towards the series (I've seen people go nuts at the mention of the 'RGB Ending'...and some of them didn't even PLAY it...also, in the interest of full disclosure, some of them MAY have been off their medication)...still, it faced an uphill battle. Was criticism warranted? Sure. Mistakes were made...but we've had ACTUAL garbage bin dumpster trash titles come out that NEVER got this sorta hate. Okay games that killed studios. And great games that NOBODY played. So, I'd take EVERYTHING from anyone right now with a grain of salt...maybe a few grains, you know, watch your sodium intake, but until the official comes down, the ball is still in play...you know what I mean...
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 10:08:47 GMT
That quote from EA is from an investor earnings call conference designed to foster confidence so take it with mountains of salt. Actions speak louder than words and their actions tell a different story. I'm sure Take Two and Ubisoft had many great things to say about Evolve and the Division and what difference did it make? First, no. EA is always transparent when a title sales are disappointing. Remember Titanfall 2? Second, no. Take Two issued no statement to act as if Evolve has a playerbase, they said disappointing title Evolve( and Battleborn) don't represent publisher's quality of releases. Third, also no. UbiSoft had to go on apology tour and do massive fixes for Division. And Division is at least a success unlike Evolve, as it still has active playerbase. They didn't quietly gut the development team of that game and ended support for the game. You're trying to point out shadiness that doesn't exist. What publishers really do is say their games sold better then in reality to their investors, but only do that when titles actually did sold well. You don't claim a financial failure or disappointment is a success, unless you want to never get investors in future.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2017 10:12:02 GMT
Dragon Age 2 and ME3 endings backlash were massive. ME:A bakclash is tame in comparison. Don't sell me your revisionist history. I wrote quite a bit pointing out how delusional you are, but I'm simply going to retire and leave you to your safe space. how condescending.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 1, 2017 10:13:41 GMT
I too must share my admiration for DA 2. Best RP protagonist ever, amazing Roleplay period, and Act 2 was one of the best if not the best story I've ever played in a video game...but then Act 3 happened. Mayhaps Varric was running out of time and his editor was getting...antsy... ...also a huge fan of DA2. I'm waiting for the official word. If it sold well enough, they'll make DLC and a sequel. Criticism won't matter much if the sales are high enough. BvS, Suicide Squad...look at movies. How many Transformers movies have had great reviews? How many times have the reviewers acted as if someone forced them to sit through it, and only had their review as means of venting? Hmmm...a few. Like some have said, there was still a WHOLE lotta hate towards the series (I've seen people go nuts at the mention of the 'RGB Ending'...and some of them didn't even PLAY it...also, in the interest of full disclosure, some of them MAY have been off their medication...still, it faced an uphill battle. Was criticism warranted? Sure. Mistakes were made...but we've had ACTUAL garbage bin dumpster trash titles come out that NEVER got this sorta hate. Okay games that killed studios. And great games that NOBODY played. So, I'd take EVERYTHING from anyone right now with a grain of salt...maybe a few grains, you know, watch your sodium intake, but until the official comes down, the ball is still in play...you know what I mean... I agree 100%. At the moment i am replaying DA2, writing quality is SO MUCH BETTER than in MEA, that conflict mages-templars really well done, and amazing companions...
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Post by Warrick on Jul 1, 2017 10:16:23 GMT
Bioware wasn't this opaque in the past.
Personally I would find it strange that they make DLC for this, but then other EA games that were very criticized (e.g., Simcity) got their expansions.
The right attitude is probably to not expect it and then if it does come, hey cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 10:17:08 GMT
Says the hater. Fun fact: I ´ ve been playing MEA since day 1 and literally NEVER saw any of these glitches occur in my game. Oh for pity's sake grow up. Pointing out facts is now ''hate'? No wonder BSN (the ME:A boards anyway) has become a laughing stock. Used to be a place to debate and exchange ideas. Now it's conspiracies, 'teh haterz did it!', 'fake news!' and tin foil hats. Alex Jones would be right at home here. Wow, someone is edgy. You want to exchange ideas and debate? Feel free to do so. Also, I have no fucking idea who this Alex Jones is.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 10:21:48 GMT
No Bioware game has suffered the wrath of the internet like Andromeda. That's why this is first one that won't get DLC. Gotta polish that reputation so Bioware Edmonton can swoop in and save the company. I would say that the ME3 ending shitstorm was more damaging. At least from a company perspective, otherwise they wouldn't have done the extended cut. The internet may have something to do with getting or not getting DLCs, but only by proxy. Ultimately the only deciding factor from a company's perspective is the underlying business plan and how well MEA did according to their prospected goals in terms of revenue as compared to funds and manpower invested.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 1, 2017 10:23:02 GMT
That's a lot of hyperbole right there. No Bioware game has suffered the wrath of the internet like Andromeda. That's why this is first one that won't get DLC. Gotta polish that reputation so Bioware Edmonton can swoop in and save the company. Dragon Age 2 and ME3 endings backlash were massive. ME:A bakclash is tame in comparison. Don't sell me your revisionist history. I'm not sure "tame" is the right term. ME3's ending was indeed the biggest one. But compared to DA2? They aren't that much different in scale. It's just that with Andromeda, a lot of people were just laughing at the game, making fun of it and/or lamenting. Compared to the three, it was certainly the biggest joke.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 10:26:38 GMT
Dragon Age 2 and ME3 endings backlash were massive. ME:A bakclash is tame in comparison. Don't sell me your revisionist history. I'm not sure "tame" is the right term. ME3's ending was indeed the biggest one. But compared to DA2? They aren't that much different in scale. It's just that with Andromeda, a lot of people were just laughing at the game, making fun of it and/or lamenting. Compared to the three, it was certainly the biggest joke. Now you're just moving goal post. "Oh no it wasn't actually outrage, but people just mocked it more!" Oh please, every Mass Effect game has been mocked.
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Post by Warrick on Jul 1, 2017 10:27:55 GMT
The difference between ME3 and Andromeda is that ME3 was beloved. The Internet was angry that Bioware had damaged their darling. The reaction was anger, outrage. In a sense, people raged because they cared.
With Andromeda, the reaction is not outrage but ridicule. The game was not outrageous, it was so bad it was funny. Which is much worse. The game is not beloved. There is no movement to retake Andromeda. People outside the BSN don't care about it and have already moved on. In my opinion this includes Bioware itself - that's what I think the Anthem reveal was.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 1, 2017 10:28:33 GMT
That quote from EA is from an investor earnings call conference designed to foster confidence so take it with mountains of salt. Actions speak louder than words and their actions tell a different story. I'm sure Take Two and Ubisoft had many great things to say about Evolve and the Division and what difference did it make? First, no. EA is always transparent when a title sales are disappointing. Remember Titanfall 2? Second, no. Take Two issued no statement to act as if Evolve has a playerbase, they said disappointing title Evolve( and Battleborn) don't represent publisher's quality of releases. Third, also no. UbiSoft had to go on apology tour and do massive fixes for Division. And Division is at least a success unlike Evolve, as it still has active playerbase. They didn't quietly gut the development team of that game and ended support for the game. You're trying to point out shadiness that doesn't exist. What publishers really do is say their games sold better then in reality to their investors, but only do that when titles actually did sold well. You don't claim a financial failure or disappointment is a success, unless you want to never get investors in future. I don't think Respawn are an EA company so it's a different (third party) scenario. Titanfall is also a much younger property and so it's sales expectations while muted were probably lower to begin with. EA prioritized their own Battlefield 1 when push came to shove. Mass Effect A was put out to pasture in March to pad out their Q4, they clearly weren't expecting a great deal of success so i wouldn't be surprised if it met their expectations.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 1, 2017 10:34:24 GMT
I'm not sure "tame" is the right term. ME3's ending was indeed the biggest one. But compared to DA2? They aren't that much different in scale. It's just that with Andromeda, a lot of people were just laughing at the game, making fun of it and/or lamenting. Compared to the three, it was certainly the biggest joke. Now you're just moving goal post. "Oh no it wasn't actually outrage, but people just mocked it more!" Oh please, every Mass Effect game has been mocked. Moving goal post? What does that even mean? I was just saying MEA reception was utterly disastrous, but maybe not in the same way that DA2 or ME3 was. With critics, for example, ME3 did extremely well. Even DA2 did better than Andromeda, which is the worst reviewed game in Bioware history. And every single game is mocked. But you didn't see for all Mass Effect game multiple videos, some with millions of view, only showing the problems with the game and making fun of them.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 10:34:59 GMT
The difference between ME3 and Andromeda is that ME3 was beloved. The Internet was angry that Bioware had damaged their darling. The reaction was anger, outrage. In a sense, people raged because they cared. With Andromeda, the reaction is not outrage but ridicule. The game was not outrageous, it was so bad it was funny. Which is much worse. The game is not beloved. There is no movement to retake Andromeda. People outside the BSN don't care about it and have already moved on. In my opinion this includes Bioware itself - that's what I think the Anthem reveal was. What the hell are you talking about? Retake Andromeda? From what? And for what? ME:A issues were of technical kind, not of terrible writing and broken promises. Also, BioWare announced Anthem at E3 because they are planning to release that game next year. This is AAA title marketing 101. This is literary a normal practice, yet people are blowing with it out of proportions to insert conspiracy theories that BioWare sacrificed ME:A for this game.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 1, 2017 10:35:05 GMT
The difference between ME3 and Andromeda is that ME3 was beloved. The Internet was angry that Bioware had damaged their darling. The reaction was anger, outrage. In a sense, people raged because they cared. With Andromeda, the reaction is not outrage but ridicule. The game was not outrageous, it was so bad it was funny. Which is much worse. The game is not beloved. There is no movement to retake Andromeda. People outside the BSN don't care about it and have already moved on. In my opinion this includes Bioware itself - that's what I think the Anthem reveal was. That's pretty much it.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 1, 2017 10:36:04 GMT
In 5 years people will hate ME:A2 and say ME:A was BioWare's last great game, as they fallen from grace after Anthem and DA4. Because same shit happened after ME1 was released, then especially with ME2, then when ME3 came as well. This doom and gloom reaction happens every time BioWare release a game. It is a tiresome trend. This. Having been a die-hard fan of the series since before the PC version of ME1 released, every single game that has come out in the series (including the first) has been trashed by The Internet to some degree or another. For example: ME1 represented a terrible departure from the in-depth worlds of KOTOR and in reality only lasted 8 hours when you remove the filler. Also the Mako was uncontrollable and required a cheat to get past Feros. ME2 wrecked the canon and was too much anime and not enough hard core sci fi done properly like ME1. It also didn't have any exploration and no Mako. ME3 had the worst ending in history and the inability to holster weapons ruined all the immersion and Casey should have been fired. MEA is worse than Aliens Colonial Marines. Presumably MEA2 (if it ever arrives) will herald the apocalypse and give someone AIDS. The only significant difference has been MEA's lower review scores, which does follow given that its a fair argument to say its the weakest ME game. That is a misleading statement though as the other three are some of the greatest games ever made. This has been going on since at least BG2, maybe even BG1.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 1, 2017 10:37:12 GMT
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 10:44:42 GMT
Now you're just moving goal post. "Oh no it wasn't actually outrage, but people just mocked it more!" Oh please, every Mass Effect game has been mocked. Moving goal post? What does that even mean? I was just saying MEA reception was utterly disastrous, but maybe not in the same way that DA2 or ME3 was. With critics, for example, ME3 did extremely well. Even DA2 did better than Andromeda, which is the worst reviewed game in Bioware history. And every single game is mocked. But you didn't see for all Mass Effect game multiple videos, some with millions of view, only showing the problems with the game and making fun of them. Because outrage and mockery sells online. That is nothing new. And only way this would be disastrous for EA and BioWare, if it hurt their sales so much they'd would be forced to make statements of either being defensive or admitting game was a disappointment or failure. What did we got? EA stating they are happy with BioWare after ME:A release and they high expectations still for ME franchise. Meanwhile BioWare only stated they will want to hear lot's of feedback for patching the game over technical issues and usual gameplay balances. Otherwise, dead silence. Nothing warrants EA say anything to public over these rumours. If things were bad, they'd have already said so and not lie about it. It goes against their historical precedent and it's overall bad for business if they outright lie to investors of failures and disappointments. If things are good, then EA looked at their crunched numbers and seen there's no significant affect on sales over these rumours. So will not fall under pressure to reveal things before planned schedule.
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