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Post by Serza on Jul 1, 2017 10:51:07 GMT
You fail to understand the concept that you only get one time to make a first impression. For many, the first impression is the lasting impression and who are you to say that they are wrong for not coming back to embrace a product that they had a poor initial encounter with/ Especially when this is what the competition looked like at launch WITHOUT patches: Yeah because It's not like ME: A is the only game that had problems at launch: First impressions do matter! Thank you. Not to mention Witcher still is buggy and clips whenever he draws his swords, because they can't be fucked to make good animations. Only cool ones. ME: A and Bioware are the new COD. In other words gaming's new scapegoat. Aaah, CoD was fun to scapegoat, though. Yeah because It's not like ME: A is the only game that had problems at launch: First impressions do matter! Yeah, I bought The Witcher 3 plus the season pass based on the hype and had to push myself to get through the first playthrough. It was decent but glitchy, poor UI, no storage, some bad animations, missions that couldn't be finished, some missions that wouldn't trigger...overall a solid 8. I waited until Heart of Stone and Blood and Wine came out with all the patches to play it again and it improved to 8.5/9. It was pretty and well written but there was nothing that drew me back to that universe...conversly I've finished ME:A 6 times. CDPROJEKT red gets stroked, ME:A gets slammed...its all about timing Same. I resisted starting another PT of Andromeda yesterday, ended at a point where I just browsed forums didn't play anything. Actually found my retail Witcher 3 GOTY a few days back and threw it in with the rest of my games without a second though. With a "meh" Why did you like your own post? Someone noticed! That's about as sad as they come. Oh for pity's sake grow up. Pointing out facts is now ''hate'? No wonder BSN (the ME:A boards anyway) has become a laughing stock. Used to be a place to debate and exchange ideas. Now it's conspiracies, 'teh haterz did it!', 'fake news!' and tin foil hats. Alex Jones would be right at home here. Wow, someone is edgy. You want to exchange ideas nad debate? Feel free to do so. Also, I have no fucking idea who this Alex Jones is. Guy who uses common sense when it comes to gun control, that's about all I know. Come to think, it's fairly likely he'd actually be on our side.
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Post by Bizo on Jul 1, 2017 11:00:28 GMT
That quote from EA is from an investor earnings call conference designed to foster confidence so take it with mountains of salt. Actions speak louder than words and their actions tell a different story. I'm sure Take Two and Ubisoft had many great things to say about Evolve and the Division and what difference did it make? First, no. EA is always transparent when a title sales are disappointing. Remember Titanfall 2? Second, no. Take Two issued no statement to act as if Evolve has a playerbase, they said disappointing title Evolve( and Battleborn) don't represent publisher's quality of releases. Third, also no. UbiSoft had to go on apology tour and do massive fixes for Division. And Division is at least a success unlike Evolve, as it still has active playerbase. They didn't quietly gut the development team of that game and ended support for the game. You're trying to point out shadiness that doesn't exist. What publishers really do is say their games sold better then in reality to their investors, but only do that when titles actually did sold well. You don't claim a financial failure or disappointment is a success, unless you want to never get investors in future. Another great example of EA being straightforward is Command and Conquer Generals 2. When they canceled the game they gutted the studio on the same freaking day. So when EA came and declared that they are happy with Mass Effect, they really mean it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:03:06 GMT
Moving goal post? What does that even mean? I was just saying MEA reception was utterly disastrous, but maybe not in the same way that DA2 or ME3 was. With critics, for example, ME3 did extremely well. Even DA2 did better than Andromeda, which is the worst reviewed game in Bioware history. And every single game is mocked. But you didn't see for all Mass Effect game multiple videos, some with millions of view, only showing the problems with the game and making fun of them. Because outrage and mockery sells online. That is nothing new. And only way this would be disastrous for EA and BioWare, if it hurt their sales so much they'd would be forced to make statements of either being defensive or admitting game was a disappointment or failure. What did we got? EA stating they are happy with BioWare after ME:A release and they high expectations still for ME franchise. Meanwhile BioWare only stated they will want to hear lot's of feedback for patching the game over technical issues and usual gameplay balances. Otherwise, dead silence. Nothing warrants EA say anything to public over these rumours. If things were bad, they'd have already said so and not lie about it. It goes against their historical precedent and it's overall bad for business if they outright lie to investors of failures and disappointments. If things are good, then EA looked at their crunched numbers and seen there's no significant affect on sales over these rumours. So will not fall under pressure to reveal things before planned schedule. Bioware also have nothing to gain by announcing anything at this stage. According to the negative side here, patching the game hasn't/shouldn't have any effect. They remain staunchly unimpressed. So, obviously, even announcing DLC will not improve things in their eyes. By their own claims, they are a "vast majority" (even though I don't think they are as much a majority as they think they are and are more than likely a minority). Regardless, they've again put Bioware into a position of having nothing to gain by making any sort of announcement. They're going through all these antics thinking they can pressure Bioware into an announcement on one hand while point-blank telling Bioware that doing anything won't impress them anyways. Since Bioware is in a 'no win" situation with them, the best move Bioware can make is to simply not play their game. Bioware will act according to their own plans now regardless of what the internet thinks about it. That plan is quite clearly right now to just not talk about whatever it is they are working on beyond telling us that they are indeed working on something. All we can do is wait for them to reveal their surprise. There is also nothing to be gained by believing this article and nothing to be lost by disbelieving it. It's really just non-news that changes absolutely nothing. Result is we still have to wait for an official announcement from Bioware either way. It's written purely for the clicks... if you want to put money in Jason's pocket, click on it and read it. If not, don't. I suspect that actual news in the gaming industry is in short supply... So, like all their predecessors throughout history, they try to drum up business by publishing non-news.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 11:04:25 GMT
I don't think Respawn are an EA company so it's a different (third party) scenario. Titanfall is also a much younger property and so it's sales expectations while muted were probably lower to begin with. EA prioritized their own Battlefield 1 when push came to shove. Mass Effect A was put out to pasture in March to pad out their Q4, they clearly weren't expecting a great deal of success so i wouldn't be surprised if it met their expectations. Mass Effect 3 was released in March. Mass Effect 2 was released in January. So did EA also have very low expectations for those two games too? Also, EA is a US company. So 1st January to 30th March are 2nd quarter of fiscal year. I am not entirely sure why would Canadian fiscal year matter for EA, but in case it is because BioWare Edmonton and Montreal are there, 4th quarter year in Canada is from 1st January to 30th March. So again, this puts ME2 and ME3 to be set on low expectations along with ME:A.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 11:07:04 GMT
Another great example of EA being straightforward is Command and Conquer Generals 2. When they canceled the game they gutted the studio on the same freaking day. So when EA came and declared that they are happy with Mass Effect, they really mean it. They didn't just gut that studio, they outright shut it down. Developers who got lucky were re-assigned to other EA studios, while rest were laid off. EA doesn't pussy-foot around with studio closure and IP suspension. They are very upfront about such things. And this did not change even with vastly different leadership of EA from previous decade and today. Business policies changed, but transparency remained the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:17:19 GMT
I don't think Respawn are an EA company so it's a different (third party) scenario. Titanfall is also a much younger property and so it's sales expectations while muted were probably lower to begin with. EA prioritized their own Battlefield 1 when push came to shove. Mass Effect A was put out to pasture in March to pad out their Q4, they clearly weren't expecting a great deal of success so i wouldn't be surprised if it met their expectations. Mass Effect 3 was released in March. Mass Effect 2 was released in January. So did EA also have very low expectations for those two games too? Also, EA is a US company. So 1st January to 30th March are 2nd quarter of fiscal year. I am not entirely sure why would Canadian fiscal year matter for EA, but in case it is because BioWare Edmonton and Montreal are there, 4th quarter year in Canada is from 1st January to 30th March. So again, this puts ME2 and ME3 to be set on low expectations along with ME:A. Canadian businesses set their own fiscal year end in the first the company is created. It can be at any time of the year. Once set it cannot be changed easily, but being taken over by another company can result in a change of fiscal year end. The companies involved will generally do whatever they find most beneficial for tax purposes.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 1, 2017 11:32:21 GMT
BioWare will have their own financial year which might explain Jan-March release dates. Sony and Nintendo are Japanese so that might explain big early year releases like the Switch, Zelda and Horizon. American publishers usually dump their garbage between Jan-March.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 11:34:43 GMT
BioWare will have their own financial year which might explain Jan-March release dates. Sony and Nintendo are Japanese so that might explain big early year releases like the Switch, Zelda and Horizon. American publishers usually dump their garbage between Jan-March. So Mass Effect 2 and 3, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda are all garbage?
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BioWare will have their own financial year which might explain Jan-March release dates. Sony and Nintendo are Japanese so that might explain big early year releases like the Switch, Zelda and Horizon. American publishers usually dump their garbage between Jan-March. Regardless, it's all pure speculation on your part. It still comes down to the fact that the only concrete statement we have about ME:A from EA indicates that they were generally happy with it.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 1, 2017 11:40:15 GMT
BioWare will have their own financial year which might explain Jan-March release dates. Sony and Nintendo are Japanese so that might explain big early year releases like the Switch, Zelda and Horizon. American publishers usually dump their garbage between Jan-March. So Mass Effect 2 and 3, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda are all garbage? No but they are strictly speaking minor releases largely irrelevant to EA's overall fiscal year. They weren't exactly given pride of place in the release window.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 11:42:27 GMT
So Mass Effect 2 and 3, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda are all garbage? No but they are strictly speaking minor releases largely irrelevant to EA's overall fiscal year. All of these games I mentioned are AAA titles games, with big budget for development and marketing. They are, by every means, not minor releases.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 1, 2017 11:46:06 GMT
No but they are strictly speaking minor releases largely irrelevant to EA's overall fiscal year. All of these games I mentioned are AAA titles games, with big budget for development and marketing. They are, by every means, not minor releases. Compared to Fifa, Madden, Battlefield, Battlefront they are. In terms of EA being happy their expectations were met that's like saying I expected the new Weezer album to suck and the band have met my expectations going forwards. I expect my expectations will continue to be achieved.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 11:53:00 GMT
All of these games I mentioned are AAA titles games, with big budget for development and marketing. They are, by every means, not minor releases. Compared to Fifa, Madden, Battlefield, Battlefront they are. Comparison is irrelevant, nobody ever claimed any BioWare's title is massive as EA Sports and DICE's titles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:59:09 GMT
So Mass Effect 2 and 3, Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect Andromeda are all garbage? No but they are strictly speaking minor releases largely irrelevant to EA's overall fiscal year. They weren't exactly given pride of place in the release window. So then, how does ME:A's position prove anything different about it from the other Bioware titles? Games by the same company were all put in the same window. It's neither a negative nor a positive with respect solely to ME:A. It's just the status quo for all Bioware titles.
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Post by wildannie on Jul 1, 2017 12:07:54 GMT
Not really sure what to think as I can't see why he would put his reputation on the line by making a story up.
But I also think that canceling dlc would send a terrible message about their confidence in the Mass Effect franchise, and potentially be quite damaging to Bioware/EA. Nobody likes an unresolved cliffhanger, and customers could easily decide to pass future purchases if they don't trust the company to deliver on the big story threads. It might be different, but the first thing I do before embarking on watching a completed series on netflix etc, is to see if it was allowed to run its course, or was unceremoniously canceled with no resolution, if the latter, I usually don't bother.
The only reason for canceling dlc that makes any kind of sense to me is if the technical problems that they had encountered making the game in the first place would make the production of dlc prohibitively complicated, and possibly game breaking?
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Post by Bizo on Jul 1, 2017 12:26:30 GMT
Not really sure what to think as I can't see why he would put his reputation on the line by making a story up. But I also think that canceling dlc would send a terrible message about their confidence in the Mass Effect franchise, and potentially be quite damaging to Bioware/EA. Nobody likes an unresolved cliffhanger, and customers could easily decide to pass future purchases if they don't trust the company to deliver on the big story threads. It might be different, but the first thing I do before embarking on watching a completed series on netflix etc, is to see if it was allowed to run its course, or was unceremoniously canceled with no resolution, if the latter, I usually don't bother. The only reason for canceling dlc that makes any kind of sense to me is if the technical problems that they had encountered making the game in the first place would make the production of dlc prohibitively complicated, and possibly game breaking? What reputation does he have to lose? Like 80% of his audience are short sighted people that will forget everything in a week or two. But making up stories, especially drama stories generates revenue. " Unless BioWare decides to make some sort of drastic pivot (plans can always change!), Mass Effect: Andromeda will not be getting single-player DLC." - How convenient, he also left a window for exit in case his story will end up fake, and it will.
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Post by ProbeAway on Jul 1, 2017 12:43:52 GMT
Wow, someone is edgy. You want to exchange ideas nad debate? Feel free to do so. Also, I have no fucking idea who this Alex Jones is. Guy who uses common sense when it comes to gun control, that's about all I know. Come to think, it's fairly likely he'd actually be on our side. Common sense?!? Alex Jones?!? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Thanks, I needed a laugh before I went to bed
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 1, 2017 12:50:42 GMT
Sorry but good graphics, story or not, this was going to happen because of a lot of people with serious grudges about the past ME history. I saw it all unfold at the old BW forum. This was intended to be destroyed by many even if it came out with 100% perfection in everything. Exactly. As soon as it was announced the shit storm began. Nothing was going to stop the salty trolls.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 1, 2017 12:53:08 GMT
What a sad little man you are then. I'll be victory dancing on this forum until I'm the last one here ... unless there's DLC. You have nothing to victory dance about. Oh Hi Jason.
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Post by Serza on Jul 1, 2017 12:56:58 GMT
Guy who uses common sense when it comes to gun control, that's about all I know. Come to think, it's fairly likely he'd actually be on our side. Common sense?!? Alex Jones?!? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Thanks, I needed a laugh before I went to bed Eh, seems that way. What is your opinion on gun control, as a... control question? I dunno jack about him, really. Other than yes, he seems plenty pro-2A.
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Post by ProbeAway on Jul 1, 2017 13:07:12 GMT
Common sense?!? Alex Jones?!? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Thanks, I needed a laugh before I went to bed Eh, seems that way. What is your opinion on gun control, as a... control question? I dunno jack about him, really. Other than yes, he seems plenty pro-2A. I realise gun control is a very sensitive issue in the US (I'm Australian, so don't really get all the fuss) so I don't want to start a political debate. However, even those who are against gun control would be hard pushed to label him as sensible. Jones is a total conspiracy theorist who believes that the moon landing was fake and that the Sandy Hook massacre was staged as part of a plot to introduce gun control. If you don't know much about him then it's worth the effort to look him up and judge for yourself, even if it's just on Wikipedia.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 13:09:59 GMT
Why is Alex Jones and Gun Control now a topic on this thread?
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 1, 2017 13:14:56 GMT
Honestly, this is a pattern now.
One that I am pretty sure is going to be true, unfortunately.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 1, 2017 13:18:31 GMT
What reputation does he have to lose? Like 80% of his audience are short sighted people that will forget everything in a week or two. But making up stories, especially drama stories generates revenue. " Unless BioWare decides to make some sort of drastic pivot (plans can always change!), Mass Effect: Andromeda will not be getting single-player DLC." - How convenient, he also left a window for exit in case his story will end up fake, and it will. To an extent, his reputation is tied to his book release. I agree, it seems to be a weird gamble to make. Given everything that has happened, it wouldn't surprise me that his initial research/'sources' pulled up enough info for him to build an article around, and at least initially, he was honestly trying to report a developing situation that would get clicks. Hence his original, reasonably rational article. At some stage he realised that some/all of his sources were telling tall tales. Cue the article revisions. Cue the weird reddit responses. Then this Sinclair thing blows up and all of a sudden he finds himself on the wrong end of a hoax, with a book coming out soon, and editor of a news site that has worked hard to shake off its Gawker history. Panic stations, cue the crazy 'I HAVE DECLARED THERE WILL BE NO DLC' article and that weird shit on Twitter. Total speculation of course, but I can't think why else a guy can come up with a well-researched article one month then lose the plot the next.
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Post by Serza on Jul 1, 2017 13:24:17 GMT
Eh, seems that way. What is your opinion on gun control, as a... control question? I dunno jack about him, really. Other than yes, he seems plenty pro-2A. I realise gun control is a very sensitive issue in the US (I'm Australian, so don't really get all the fuss) so I don't want to start a political debate. However, even those who are against gun control would be hard pushed to label him as sensible. Jones is a total conspiracy theorist who believes that the moon landing was fake and that the Sandy Hook massacre was staged as part of a plot to introduce gun control. If you don't know much about him then it's worth the effort to look him up and judge for yourself, even if it's just on Wikipedia. Well, shit. Sounds like a piece of work. I guess this means I need to familiarize myself better with the guy. I'm not an American myself, but if you do a little bit of research, the Czech Republic recently (this wednesday, as a matter of fact) has passed a vote on including firearm ownership rights in the Constitution. We basically got our own version of the 2nd Amendment, though being unfamiliar with the exact wording of either, I use the comparison losely. Why is Alex Jones and Gun Control now a topic on this thread? Let's not go all the way. Probe disageed with me in an opinion of someone, so the first thing I naturally did was check if we stand on the same side of a particular issue, because this could influence the differnce of opinion. He then proceeded to give more information on the matter, and as I said, my knowledge is far too sketchy to properly judge the certain someone. I do not intend to continue taking the conversation in that direction in any way.
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