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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2017 19:49:27 GMT
Hey now, don't treat my words as gospel of truth now. I have zero intention to be Jason 2.0. Don't make him have a meltdown and post your comments on twitter!
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jul 1, 2017 19:49:51 GMT
Everything always goes back to Kotaku. No one else has his secret and amazing "sources" it seems. And excuse me for thinking that 'several sources' sounds an awful like every tabloid article I've read in the checkout lane at my local supermarket. We all know how true those articles are. What gets me is that his sources are "Familiar" with Bioware. Hell, after over ten years, I'm familiar with Bioware. I could tell people things! They'd be complete horsepucky, though. I hear when Mike Laidlaw takes his glasses off, his beard becomes tinsel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:51:21 GMT
And excuse me for thinking that 'several sources' sounds an awful like every tabloid article I've read in the checkout lane at my local supermarket. We all know how true those articles are. What gets me is that his sources are "Familiar" with Bioware. Hell, after over ten years, I'm familiar with Bioware. I could tell people things! They'd be complete horsepucky, though. I hear when Mike Laidlaw takes his glasses off, his beard becomes tinsel.I actually talk to a dev here who confided in me (not game stuff, just how they felt about things). We all have "sources" but this guy? He's a got a tinfoil hat or maybe a magic 8 ball?
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 1, 2017 19:52:21 GMT
A quick google search said to me that DA2 shipped 2 mi units in two months, ME2 did that in one week.
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Post by malgus on Jul 1, 2017 19:52:30 GMT
Hey now, don't treat my words as gospel of truth now. I have zero intention to be Jason 2.0. Don't make him have a meltdown and post your comments on twitter! beware he might be reading this thread :
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 19:52:36 GMT
Went to search around and there are no sales figures ever released for these games. I do clearly remember from years ago being said that DA2 sold better then ME2, while at same time DA:O sold better then DA2. Meanwhile EA and BioWare also claim ME3 outsold both ME1 and ME2, while DA:I was their best sold title ever. But without ever releasing sales figures. I, however, welcome anyone to try to dig out real numbers for this. Right now, I'm basing this on my memory from statements made years ago. Maybe you are confusing stuff? Memory is treacherous. For example, EA said Inquisition had their best launch, but nothing about overall sales. I was talking about launch sales, not overall sales. Overall sales are even bigger mystery. Also with DA:I problematic, as people can buy subscription for EA/Origin Access and play DA:I for "free". So that program affects long-term sales numbers. As well, ME games are usually sold much more cheaper on sales then are DA games. So that too affects long term sales in ME's advantage, however profits may be lesser for EA and BioWare. Still, it's hard to say. Only EA and BioWare know true sales figures, neither are willing to share them. We only can know about are sales on launch, which for the most part matter far more then long-term sales.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2017 19:53:59 GMT
Don't make him have a meltdown and post your comments on twitter! beware he might be reading this thread : Replace that with Jason's face!
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Post by kino on Jul 1, 2017 19:54:40 GMT
www.neowin.net/news/sources-confirm-all-future-mass-effect-andromeda-dlc-is-indeed-cancelledNever got into the game but I find it disgusting how games with EA on it we so easily pushed aside .... Battlefront bring a great example, people wanted a single player campaign, have spent 150 bucks for the season pass which allows only four expansions, then ea says ya ok, we will make a new game re hash it and give you what you want then charge full price again, screw you people with season passes in fact they aren't season passes they are passes for four expansions, and only four you get nothing else ... Now because mass effect was poorly published and rushed out so that ea fan make its spring quota , so once again a big screw you to ea fans and the community... and in typical ea fashion, they are focusing on their version of destiny, but why should we be excited, once you get our money are you gonna take it and run , laughing at us again ? So now star war knights of the old Republic got squashed by terrible decisions and we lost that series... Now mass effect is gone for anthem Jade empire 2 is on hold for dragon age... Dragon age series got dumbed down for Inquisition.. so how will the next one be ?! Just another seemingly rushed game with eas patented pay to win multiplayer that is worthless!?? What's up with Baldur's Gate? BioWare needs to get as far away from ea as possible , that company is a cancer amongst the gaming community and is killing BioWare's rep and games ... You lost me at Jade Empire 2 being on hold for DA4. I don't ever recall BioWare mentioning anything about working on JE2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:56:00 GMT
I will never forget when DAI ended for good. No DA4 was mentioned or hints of it, and threads were popping up about how DAI ruined the franchise. Reality was, they were splitting up and working on other things. MEA has the DA staff in its credits even! MEA is now going through the same process, but what Jason did was twist it (or his "source" did) saying that everyone was being kicked out of BW Montreal. Reality? Some are working on Anthem, others on BF2. No different than DAI.
You watch! Anthem will come out next year, another split will happen and this will repeat again!
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 1, 2017 19:56:04 GMT
Sources for these? I'm not sure about DA2 and ME2, ME3 and DAI. Went to search around and there are no sales figures ever released for these games. I do clearly remember from years ago being said that DA2 sold better then ME2, while at same time DA:O sold better then DA2. Meanwhile EA and BioWare also claim ME3 outsold both ME1 and ME2, while DA:I was their best sold title ever. But without ever releasing sales figures. I, however, welcome anyone to try to dig out real numbers for this. Right now, I'm basing this on my memory from statements made years ago. You DO know that when ME1 first came out, it was an Xbox 360 exclusive and only released on the PC a few months later. When ME2 came out, it was again a PC/Xbox 360 exclusive. Mass Effect 3 was the first ME game that came out on all 3 platforms at launch. Now compare that to DAO which came out on all 3 platforms at launch and DA2 which came out on all 3 platforms at launch. So of course DAO and DA2 SHOULD have more sales than ME1 and ME2 cause they weren't released on all 3 platforms at launch. So to say that DAO and DA2 sold better is not really looking into the details.
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Post by brandoftime on Jul 1, 2017 19:57:41 GMT
I find it interesting that Jason came out less than 24 hours after Sinclair Networks were exposed to just shove this shit out there.
Coincidence? Or panicked reaction, maybe? Like that person who reassures everyone over and over they definitely, positively never EVER farted - is the guy that just laid the worst one right then and there that we all are choking on?
I'm figuring his story is based on SN at some level, I think others here pointed that out. If SN is fake, he is wrong and his book is sunk along with his credibility, whatever that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:59:02 GMT
I find it interesting that Jason came out less than 24 hours after Sinclair Networks were exposed to just shove this shit out there. Coincidence? Or panicked reaction, maybe? Like that person who reassures everyone over and over they definitely, positively never EVER farted - is the guy that just laid the worst one right then and there that we all are choking on? I'm figuring his story is based on SN at some level, I think others here pointed that out. If they are wrong, he is wrong and his book is sunk along with his credibility, whatever that is. He was watching our SN CSI thread closely, so I bet he was worried we'd ruin his "sources" and we did. Also why watch that one when it was not even about Kotaku yet? I only posted the link many pages in, so he found it because he was reading everything already.
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Post by malgus on Jul 1, 2017 19:59:31 GMT
Went to search around and there are no sales figures ever released for these games. I do clearly remember from years ago being said that DA2 sold better then ME2, while at same time DA:O sold better then DA2. Meanwhile EA and BioWare also claim ME3 outsold both ME1 and ME2, while DA:I was their best sold title ever. But without ever releasing sales figures. I, however, welcome anyone to try to dig out real numbers for this. Right now, I'm basing this on my memory from statements made years ago. You DO know that when ME1 first came out, it was an Xbox 360 exclusive and only released on the PC a few months later. When ME2 came out, it was again a PC/Xbox 360 exclusive. Mass Effect 3 was the first ME game that came out on all 3 platforms at launch. Now compare that to DAO which came out on all 3 platforms at launch and DA2 which came out on all 3 platforms at launch. So of course DAO and DA2 SHOULD have more sales than ME1 and ME2 cause they weren't released on all 3 platforms at launch. So to say that DAO and DA2 sold better is not really looking into the details. But DAO sold more than ME 3. and both were on all consoles at release
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 1, 2017 20:01:21 GMT
I will never forget when DAI ended for good. No DA4 was mentioned or hints of it, and threads were popping up about how DAI ruined the franchise. Reality was, they were splitting up and working on other things. MEA has the DA staff in its credits even! MEA is now going through the same process, but what Jason did was twist it (or his "source" did) saying that everyone was being kicked out of BW Montreal. Reality? Some are working on Anthem, others on BF2. No different than DAI. You watch! Anthem will come out next year, another split will happen and this will repeat again! Problem with your attempted connection with the DAI release and the MEA release is that: 1) DAI set Bioware sales records; MEA did not do that. 2) DAI did not have an average of low 70s review scores, MEA did. 3) DAI was the 2014 GOTY by many outlets....I doubt MEA will be put into that same discussion. 4) While DAI's development may have had ups and downs, it was probably nowhere near as dramatic as the 5 year (or 2 years really) development cycle for MEA. So the circumstances between the two games aren't exactly apples and apples. But if that makes you feel good and optimistic for the future of MEA, then who am I to judge right?
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 20:01:26 GMT
A quick google search said to me that DA2 shipped 2 mi units in two months, ME2 did that in one week. Ah, I just realized why. Mass Effect 2 was not released on PS3 initially, while for Dragon Age 2 it was. Hence why DA2 sold better then ME2, up until PS3 post was made for ME2. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 20:02:36 GMT
I will never forget when DAI ended for good. No DA4 was mentioned or hints of it, and threads were popping up about how DAI ruined the franchise. Reality was, they were splitting up and working on other things. MEA has the DA staff in its credits even! MEA is now going through the same process, but what Jason did was twist it (or his "source" did) saying that everyone was being kicked out of BW Montreal. Reality? Some are working on Anthem, others on BF2. No different than DAI. You watch! Anthem will come out next year, another split will happen and this will repeat again! Problem with your attempted connection with the DAI release and the MEA release is that: 1) DAI set Bioware sales records; MEA did not do that. 2) DAI did not have an average of low 70s review scores, MEA did. 3) DAI was the 2014 GOTY by many outlets....I doubt MEA will be put into that same discussion. 4) While DAI's development may have had ups and downs, it was probably nowhere near as dramatic as the 5 year (or 2 years really) development cycle for MEA. So the circumstances between the two games aren't exactly apples and apples. But if that makes you feel good and optimistic for the future of MEA, then who am I to judge right? And that has to do with departments changing/moving all the time how?
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 1, 2017 20:03:19 GMT
Maybe you are confusing stuff? Memory is treacherous. For example, EA said Inquisition had their best launch, but nothing about overall sales. I was talking about launch sales, not overall sales. Overall sales are even bigger mystery. Also with DA:I problematic, as people can buy subscription for EA/Origin Access and play DA:I for "free". So that program affects long-term sales numbers. As well, ME games are usually sold much more cheaper on sales then are DA games. So that too affects long term sales in ME's advantage, however profits may be lesser for EA and BioWare. Still, it's hard to say. Only EA and BioWare know true sales figures, neither are willing to share them. We only can know about are sales on launch, which for the most part matter far more then long-term sales. I have zero sales figures, but I do know that VGCharts only tracks physical sales, and that another site that only came about recently can track (kind of) digital sales. I don't know how DA:Origins sales were tracked, but there was an expansion and something like 4 or 5 DLCs. I don't know if that gets rolled into a total sales number. If it does, Origins may be the top seller just by unit. Another consideration, just based on total sales, is that I've personally bought all three ME and the first two DA games twice. I lost the physical copies in a move and bought them again on Origin. That tracks to total sales, but the second purchase wasn't at launch or anything. What I remember reading about the total sales is that is just the setting people preferred. Fantasy RPGs are preferred over sci-fi.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 20:03:30 GMT
you can be negative and disagree with someone without being insulting. If he feels threatened by the commentary on this board he really.is in the wrong.profession. That's kinda my point. And honestly, I don't think he does feel threatened. Going by his twitter, he seems more amused than anything. And from my personal perspective only, I do think I have a right to be somewhat mildly annoyed by him amusing himself by capturing my posts and making fun of them on his Twitter with my avatar name clearly visible. i certainly wouldn't expect a professional to be in the least threatened by what I said; but really, he didn't need to prove my statements about his behaving unprofessionally by doing that. I don't know if he was expecting me to be threatened by that move or not, but I'm still here stating my honest opinion of his "journalism" - It's crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 20:04:16 GMT
I find it interesting that Jason came out less than 24 hours after Sinclair Networks were exposed to just shove this shit out there. Coincidence? Or panicked reaction, maybe? Like that person who reassures everyone over and over they definitely, positively never EVER farted - is the guy that just laid the worst one right then and there that we all are choking on? I'm figuring his story is based on SN at some level, I think others here pointed that out. If they are wrong, he is wrong and his book is sunk along with his credibility, whatever that is. That was the thing I initially noted that was disconcerting about it. To do so with only unnamed sources and expect us to believe it right on the heals of the hoax seems a bit crazy. Who in their right mind would take him at face value after just watching another situation where it proved to be entirely false? To me it felt more like a former fan or possibly a hater wanting to keep that story alive because even as clickbait, it just stinks of desperation. Right after a hoax is proven is when you should be more mindful of your facts and sources. Expecting people to take you at your word because you said so isn't particularly bright. They won't if they just watched a hoax do the same thing and are inclined to use their brain.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 1, 2017 20:05:37 GMT
www.neowin.net/news/sources-confirm-all-future-mass-effect-andromeda-dlc-is-indeed-cancelledNever got into the game but I find it disgusting how games with EA on it we so easily pushed aside .... Battlefront bring a great example, people wanted a single player campaign, have spent 150 bucks for the season pass which allows only four expansions, then ea says ya ok, we will make a new game re hash it and give you what you want then charge full price again, screw you people with season passes in fact they aren't season passes they are passes for four expansions, and only four you get nothing else ... Now because mass effect was poorly published and rushed out so that ea fan make its spring quota , so once again a big screw you to ea fans and the community... and in typical ea fashion, they are focusing on their version of destiny, but why should we be excited, once you get our money are you gonna take it and run , laughing at us again ? So now star war knights of the old Republic got squashed by terrible decisions and we lost that series... Now mass effect is gone for anthem Jade empire 2 is on hold for dragon age... Dragon age series got dumbed down for Inquisition.. so how will the next one be ?! Just another seemingly rushed game with eas patented pay to win multiplayer that is worthless!?? What's up with Baldur's Gate? BioWare needs to get as far away from ea as possible , that company is a cancer amongst the gaming community and is killing BioWare's rep and games ... You lost me at Jade Empire 2 being on hold for DA4. I don't ever recall BioWare mentioning anything about working on JE2. They might be referring to a recent interview where Mike Laidlaw was interviewed and asked about Jade Empire 2. He hinted rather strongly (and many on the dev team have been hinting very strongly) that they're currently working on DA4.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 20:05:56 GMT
I find it interesting that Jason came out less than 24 hours after Sinclair Networks were exposed to just shove this shit out there. Coincidence? Or panicked reaction, maybe? Like that person who reassures everyone over and over they definitely, positively never EVER farted - is the guy that just laid the worst one right then and there that we all are choking on? I'm figuring his story is based on SN at some level, I think others here pointed that out. If they are wrong, he is wrong and his book is sunk along with his credibility, whatever that is. That was the thing I initially noted that was disconcerting about it. To do so with only unnamed sources and expect us to believe it right on the heals of the hoax seems a bit crazy. Who in their right mind would take him at face value after just watching another situation where it proved to be entirely false? To me it felt more like a former fan or possibly a hater wanting to keep that story alive because even as clickbait, it just stinks of desperation. Right after a hoax is proven is when you should be more mindful of your facts and sources. Expecting people to take you at your word because you said so isn't particularly bright. They won't if they just watched a hoax do the same thing and are inclined to use their brain. He basically went "Look look! They were right! Don't get happy! Be miserable!" *insert Suikoden dance here*
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 1, 2017 20:06:30 GMT
You DO know that when ME1 first came out, it was an Xbox 360 exclusive and only released on the PC a few months later. When ME2 came out, it was again a PC/Xbox 360 exclusive. Mass Effect 3 was the first ME game that came out on all 3 platforms at launch. Now compare that to DAO which came out on all 3 platforms at launch and DA2 which came out on all 3 platforms at launch. So of course DAO and DA2 SHOULD have more sales than ME1 and ME2 cause they weren't released on all 3 platforms at launch. So to say that DAO and DA2 sold better is not really looking into the details. But DAO sold more than ME 3. and both were on all consoles at release According to www.itechpost.com/articles/80302/20170203/mass-effect-andromeda-sales-expected-hit-3-million-copies-first.htmarticle, ME3 as of 2017 has sold 6 million units. Do you have any recent sales data on DAO?
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Post by vonuber on Jul 1, 2017 20:07:24 GMT
He was watching our SN CSI thread closely, so I bet he was worried we'd ruin his "sources" and we did. Also why watch that one when it was not even about Kotaku yet? I only posted the link many pages in, so he found it because he was reading everything already. Yeah.. it's almost like he was posting gifs of a victory dance at the same time. It's funny how many news sources link back to that one Koataku article isn't it - that in itself lends it credibility it should not have.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 20:12:56 GMT
I will never forget when DAI ended for good. No DA4 was mentioned or hints of it, and threads were popping up about how DAI ruined the franchise. Reality was, they were splitting up and working on other things. MEA has the DA staff in its credits even! MEA is now going through the same process, but what Jason did was twist it (or his "source" did) saying that everyone was being kicked out of BW Montreal. Reality? Some are working on Anthem, others on BF2. No different than DAI. You watch! Anthem will come out next year, another split will happen and this will repeat again! Problem with your attempted connection with the DAI release and the MEA release is that: 1) DAI set Bioware sales records; MEA did not do that. 2) DAI did not have an average of low 70s review scores, MEA did. 3) DAI was the 2014 GOTY by many outlets....I doubt MEA will be put into that same discussion. 4) While DAI's development may have had ups and downs, it was probably nowhere near as dramatic as the 5 year (or 2 years really) development cycle for MEA. So the circumstances between the two games aren't exactly apples and apples. But if that makes you feel good and optimistic for the future of MEA, then who am I to judge right? 1. EA nor BioWare never expected for ME:A to outsell DA:I. Especially since DA:I had aggressive marketing, while ME:A modest one. 2. Irrelevant. EA primarily cares for sales. 3. Neither did DA2, after ME2 success. Yet, DA:I happened. 4. No, ME:A still had 5 years development. We seen leaked cutscene from from Drack's Loyalty mission, before BW Montreal abandoned NMS's style exploration. It's quite clear main story and squadmate missions were developed fully. It's side content that got much shorter development time.
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