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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 30, 2017 19:59:13 GMT
Ah yes, these... "sources" *air quotes* I understand the skepticism, but isn't it standard for journalists not to reveal sources? They are protected by law. They don't have to reveal sources.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 19:59:23 GMT
I suppose that's something better than just posting gifs and being dismissive. Anything else? More related to games themselves and similar to this case? I thought the question was around Jason's professionalism? This is the same guy, is it not?
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 19:59:39 GMT
He... checked back with his sources and then wrote about it. You know, because reporters... write. Confirmation = new information. It'd be weird if he hadn't written about it. Being a reporter and all. Pardon my defensive ranting (since words have no meaning anymore in Trumpocalypse 2017), but the whole concern trolling about his supposedly damaged reputation is just the best. ... and in so doing, he drew a lot of extra suspicion his way... suspicion that wasn't there before he did that. If he was confident of his first article being correct, it would have been more professional to just let it stand and let time take care of proving it. It's not what he did and he's now paying the price for that. All I've said is that, IMO, is unprofessional on his part... and you just can't stand that I'm sending a little "constructive" criticism his way. He's got a real fanboy in you, doesn't he? Does it always inevitably get personal with you? Noticing a pattern. I'll steer clear of guesting in podcasts. The only fanboyism I'm struggling with right now is my MEA fanboyism. I'm not particularly happy about this news. But again, just because I don't like it, doesn't mean it's bullshit.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 30, 2017 19:59:46 GMT
I suppose that's something better than just posting gifs and being dismissive. Anything else? More related to games themselves and similar to this case? His first article, like I told you mere minutes ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:00:32 GMT
I'm wondering why EA is so hush hush about whether or not they have plans for DLC. Why the secrecy? If yes, just say we have something in the works. If no, just tell us already! What's the point of all the cloak and dagger bs? Because there's no such thing as bad publicity? Because any attention shines a spotlight on them and stirs interest? *shrug* For my part, if they release DLC, I'll probably buy it, play it, and enjoy it. Otherwise, I'll do other things instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:00:36 GMT
I just saw stuff that shows Jason is famous for these fits and being called out for fake news. Some people never change lol
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
We're defending that garbage Gamergate movement now, just to get some cheap licks in at Jason? LOL
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Post by brandoftime on Jun 30, 2017 20:01:18 GMT
I hate the overall feeling of being jerked around . . . Someone is playing games with the fanbase, perhaps as a sort of revenge for the fury over ME3 ending?
This feels like an advanced form of trolling, this "Yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/ there is DLC.
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Post by sil on Jun 30, 2017 20:02:19 GMT
I keep hearing about this gamergate, but I must've missed all the news on it.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 20:02:58 GMT
I understand the skepticism, but isn't it standard for journalists not to reveal sources? They are protected by law. They don't have to reveal sources. Under most circumstances. The sources are not protected if they themselves have broken the law (I've no idea if breaking NDAs would count). Even if they were, it can result in a situation where the journalist's own credibility is called into question as they can't cite anyone.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 30, 2017 20:08:37 GMT
The only fanboyism I'm struggling with right now is my MEA fanboyism. I'm not particularly happy about this news. But again, just because I don't like it, doesn't mean it's bullshit. Conversely, it doesn't make it true either. Look, ultimately this all tracks back to the sinclair hoax. There were a few off-hand comments about Jason's articles simply because he's the only one with a high profile on the matter, but its ultimately been focused on how this 'source' was able to push stories out without being questioned when it turned out it was a load of fluff. The only real reason Jason is being discussed here is that he's done another 'LOOK AT ME' response then did this bizarre thing on twitter. The whole 'shoot the messenger' ship has sailed here.
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Post by MissOuJ on Jun 30, 2017 20:10:10 GMT
We're defending that garbage Gamergate movement now, just to get some cheap licks in at Jason? LOL For real. Let's not. Also, in general: descending to ad-hominems and tinfoil-hattery because a journalist wrote a speculation piece based on something unnamed sources said that you (as in general you) find disagreeable are not acceptable coping mechanisms. Let's just all town it down a bit. Who am I kidding? This is BSN. Drama away!
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jun 30, 2017 20:10:11 GMT
I just saw stuff that shows Jason is famous for these fits and being called out for fake news. Some people never change lol That's an interesting way to spin all the times Jason's insider reports turned out to be accurate but not before some fandoms went total apeshit on him because they didn't believe it. Pointing out those apeshit reactions are now called "fits."
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jun 30, 2017 20:14:21 GMT
Ah yes, these... "sources" *air quotes* I understand the skepticism, but isn't it standard for journalists not to reveal sources? I doubt they'd get many people to come forward and volunteer information if they were to disclose who they were and who they worked for. That's why journalists and news sites need to establish credibility with their audience. Is it a responsible news outlet/journalist? Do they have a track record for accurate reporting? I worked as a journalist in the late 1990s and literally everything I wrote was attributed by name to someone. It is only in the last few decades that anonymous sources have become acceptable.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 30, 2017 20:15:06 GMT
I understand the skepticism, but isn't it standard for journalists not to reveal sources? They are protected by law. They don't have to reveal sources. Whistle-blowers are protected only if they are leaking criminal activity or other unethical activity of company they work for. They are not protected from leaking company secrets or anything that NDA disallows them to say as long said thing isn't illegal or unethical. If they were protected under every circumstance, NDA's would serve no purpose. EDIT#1
I had prematurely submitted. While by law they are now required to reveal sources, unless there's a court ruling they have to( in hypothetical they get sued and lose court hearing), they would need to then reveal sources. But in most likely case, a company would launch it's own investigation, root out the leakers, fire them, fine them for violating NDA and blacklist them. That last part makes me certain that nobody at BioWare would so casually give him that info in such short time. They are risking their careers, for what?
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Post by OdanUrr on Jun 30, 2017 20:17:25 GMT
I understand the skepticism, but isn't it standard for journalists not to reveal sources? I doubt they'd get many people to come forward and volunteer information if they were to disclose who they were and who they worked for. That's why journalists and news sites need to establish credibility with their audience. Is it a responsible news outlet/journalist? Do they have a track record for accurate reporting? I worked as a journalist in the late 1990s and literally everything I wrote was attributed by name to someone. It is only in the last few decades that anonymous sources have become acceptable. If you can, I agree, that's always the better option.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 30, 2017 20:23:12 GMT
One interesting thing about his articles is that in the two about DLC he only mentions people close to Bioware being his sources, but in the article about the troubled dev cycle he specifically says that it was Bioware devs that told him.
The Story Behind Mass Effect: Andromeda's Troubled Five-Year Development
"I’ve spent the past three months investigating the answers to those questions. From conversations with nearly a dozen people who worked on Mass Effect: Andromeda, all of whom spoke under condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorised to talk about the game, a consistent picture has emerged."
Sources: BioWare Montreal Downsized, Mass Effect Put On Ice For Now
"In the wake of BioWare’s polarising Mass Effect: Andromeda, fans have wondered where the lauded sci-fi series will go next. The answer, according to people familiar with the studio, is nowhere—at least for the time being."
Sources: Mass Effect: Andromeda Will Not Get Single-Player DLC
"The bad news: they guessed correctly. Mass Effect: Andromeda will indeed not be receiving any single-player DLC, three people familiar with BioWare’s plans have told me."
So in one he clearly states that he talked to people working on the actual game. That's where he got information about the dev cycle. But all the "MEA on Ice" and "No DLC" articles, he just mentions people "familiar with the studio" or "familiar with Bioware's plans". So that, too, questions the credibility of his statements. He obviously has no qualms saying that he got the information from actual Bioware employees, as he did in the first article, but in the other two it's just from, what, employee's friends? Dog-walkers? That guy at the deli where they get their sandwiches? Who knows? Could be credible sources, could be people guessing as much as he is.
If he is as good a journalist as some of you seem to think, then words matters and he should be experienced enough that we can take his words for what they say and not say "Oh, you're just playing semantics. People 'close to' and people who 'worked on Andromeda' are pretty much the same thing, yeah?"
I think this is a legitimate cause for some skepticism.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:24:05 GMT
*waves* hi again Jason!
It's @upupaway95 's turn!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:25:16 GMT
So how reliable is Kotaku? I don't ever visit the site, but it seems that someone here is creating a thread about an article they wrote fairly often.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 30, 2017 20:26:16 GMT
They are protected by law. They don't have to reveal sources. Whistle-blowers are protected only if they are leaking criminal activity or other unethical activity of company they work for. They are not protected from leaking company secrets or anything that NDA disallows them to say as long said thing isn't illegal or unethical. If they were protected under every circumstance, NDA's would serve no purpose. EDIT#1
I had prematurely submitted. While by law they are now required to reveal sources, unless there's a court ruling they have to( in hypothetical they get sued and lose court hearing), they would need to then reveal sources. But in most likely case, a company would launch it's own investigation, root out the leakers, fire them, fine them for violating NDA and blacklist them. That last part makes me certain that nobody at BioWare would so casually give him that info in such short time. They are risking their careers, for what? I can't tell you that. But for reference, do you think everything he said is a lie? A guess?
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 30, 2017 20:26:24 GMT
So how reliable is Kotaku? I don't ever visit the site, but it seems that someone here is creating a thread about an article they wrote fairly often. They're very unreliable.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 30, 2017 20:30:02 GMT
I can't tell you that. But for reference, do you think everything he said is a lie? A guess? In terms of ME:A being put on ice and no DLC's, I believe he is intentionally misinterpreting his sources or outright lying about his sources. And maximusarael020 just pointed out something perfectly with Jason's use of language. With ME:A's troubled development, he quite clearly stated he talked to BioWare developers. But with ME:A put on ice and no DLC's, he says "people familiar with BioWare". This use of language is done on purpose, he is clearly misrepresenting his story or outright making shit up.
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 30, 2017 20:30:04 GMT
So how reliable is Kotaku? I don't ever visit the site, but it seems that someone here is creating a thread about an article they wrote fairly often. They're very unreliable. It used to be part of Gawker which should tell anyone all they need to know.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 30, 2017 20:31:00 GMT
*waves* hi again Jason! It's @upupaway95 's turn! His credibility is now dead. He isn't a journalist, just a paid troll.
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Post by malgus on Jun 30, 2017 20:31:44 GMT
So how reliable is Kotaku? I don't ever visit the site, but it seems that someone here is creating a thread about an article they wrote fairly often. They're very unreliable. Beware, jason might tweet about this posts...
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