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Post by Iakus on Apr 24, 2019 23:19:55 GMT
Wouldn't the time to be bothered by Arya's plotline be the time when she stabbed a guy's eyes out, stuffed a sock in his mouth to shut him up so she could taunt him for a few minutes, and then slashed his throat? Not that he didn't deserve it, but... yikes. Yeah there's a reason I've never been a regular watcher of the show...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 0:56:06 GMT
Well I can't speak for most people but Arya's time with the faceless men have bothered me far more then the sex scene did. I actually really didn't like Arya during much of season 5-6 and still am leary of her even though she has kind of found her center again. As far as the stuff between her and Sophie Turner. I think there have been probably a fair few 'men' fantasizing about both women. But there is a huge difference between a private fantasy of a teenager and actually seeing it on screen. Maisie wasn't a teenager though... she's in her 20's. There were some weird things that happened to Arya in Bravvos though, I admit. I wonder if she died like Jon and came back. One thing though, if you were to see her represented as one of the seven gods, she'd definitely be "the Stranger". Like the Red Woman would be the Crone and because of the song The Bear and the Maiden Fair, Brienne would be the Maiden. Dany, being called Mysa and being the Mother of Dragons, would probably be the Mother. Gendry would be the Smith and Grey Worm the Warrior maybe? The Father is supposed to represent "devine justice and judging the soul after death and that has me wondering if it could be the Night King or Jon..? The more I think on this, I don't think anyone is going to claiming the Iron Throne though...at least no one vying for it right now. I was reading the George RR Martin said that the story isn't about the war, it's about what war does to people...and if you think about Cersi saying "when you lay the game of thrones" you either win or you die...but if you think about it, no one wins in the game of thrones. And there was no one on the throne when Dany had her vision, the only thing there was snow. I mean you could say Arya is "no one" , but if she does represent the Stranger, then she also represents death...So one could take it that only way to win the game, is not to play. *shrug* ...yeah...this is me getting all philosophical now.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 25, 2019 1:11:16 GMT
Well I can't speak for most people but Arya's time with the faceless men have bothered me far more then the sex scene did. I actually really didn't like Arya during much of season 5-6 and still am leary of her even though she has kind of found her center again. As far as the stuff between her and Sophie Turner. I think there have been probably a fair few 'men' fantasizing about both women. But there is a huge difference between a private fantasy of a teenager and actually seeing it on screen. Maisie wasn't a teenager though... she's in her 20's. There were some weird things that happened to Arya in Bravvos though, I admit. I wonder if she died like Jon and came back. One thing though, if you were to see her represented as one of the seven gods, she'd definitely be "the Stranger". Like the Red Woman would be the Crone and because of the song The Bear and the Maiden Fair, Brienne would be the Maiden. Dany, being called Mysa and being the Mother of Dragons, would probably be the Mother. Gendry would be the Smith and Grey Worm the Warrior maybe? The Father is supposed to represent "devine justice and judging the soul after death and that has me wondering if it could be the Night King or Jon..? The more I think on this, I don't think anyone is going to claiming the Iron Throne though...at least no one vying for it right now. I was reading the George RR Martin said that the story isn't about the war, it's about what war does to people...and if you think about Cersi saying "when you lay the game of thrones" you either win or you die...but if you think about it, no one wins in the game of thrones. And there was no one on the throne when Dany had her vision, the only thing there was snow. I mean you could say Arya is "no one" , but if she does represent the Stranger, then she also represents death...So one could take it that only way to win the game, is not to play. *shrug* ...yeah...this is me getting all philosophical now. It never occured to me that the '7 gods' could represent characters in the show. I do hesitate though because some of the characters, at least on your list, are much more minor in the books then they are in the show...mainly reffering to Grey Worm. I could easily see you being right about the Throne though. I mean it really does depend on how the Battle of Winterfell turns out but the Iron Throne could easily be 'destroyed' or rendered otherwise useless. The moral message being that the throne has ultimatley been a distraction for what was *really* important. The survival of the realms of man. And since Dany's modus operandi is her obssession with sitting on the throne that could easily set up a fall for her if she does not pull back at the last moment. Of course part of the issue here is this is one place I could see the show and the novels divergine wildly. Where the show might end with someone on the Iron Throne...Jon or Dany or both being my favorites...but the book might end with something like a total Night King victory or a much more compromised victory with King's Landing destroyed or something.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 25, 2019 2:22:06 GMT
Coming into this season, with most of the characters crammed together, you can really see who got the most interesting story developments throughout the series.
Jon is a bit boring and predictable and doesn't come off as very competent, and Dany constantly looks like she's about to throw a tantrum for not being obeyed out of hand. I really dislike how much less insightful the show made her. In the books, Viserys was the one imagining that the smallfolk of Westeros were clamoring for his return, while she despised him for being so naive.
It's also just stupid. She originally worked hard to earn the Dothraki's devotion, immersing herself in their culture and demonstrating that she belonged to them as much as they to her, and it didn't take long for her to lose it again. She should have been prepared for it not being so easy as coasting in on her dragons and expecting everyone to fall at her feet when she came to Westeros.
She could demonstrate competent and impassioned leadership and prove that she deserves their loyalty, but it seems she's gotten too used to yelling "Dracarys!" and letting the smell of burnt flesh sort out the masses. I've felt for a while now that her approach to governing is a bit too Mad King-y for Tyrion not to make the comparison to her face.
Meanwhile, all the side-characters are bringing their A-game and all the stories between them throughout the series are paying off. Love that. I'm enjoying this season way more than the previous one thanks to that.
Also, someone finally recognized that spear a would be more useful than a dinky little sword! Arya is by far the smartest person in Winterfell. And Gendry is an idiot for wasting his time on dragonglass axes(?) instead of just cranking out spearheads.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 25, 2019 3:16:59 GMT
Probably weirdest for Joe Dempsie. He talked about it in an interview;
"It's obvious slightly strange for me, because I've known Maisie since she was eleven, twelve years old? At the same time, I don't want to be patronising towards Maisie, she's a twenty year old woman... so we just had fun with it."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 3:34:37 GMT
Maisie wasn't a teenager though... she's in her 20's. There were some weird things that happened to Arya in Bravvos though, I admit. I wonder if she died like Jon and came back. One thing though, if you were to see her represented as one of the seven gods, she'd definitely be "the Stranger". Like the Red Woman would be the Crone and because of the song The Bear and the Maiden Fair, Brienne would be the Maiden. Dany, being called Mysa and being the Mother of Dragons, would probably be the Mother. Gendry would be the Smith and Grey Worm the Warrior maybe? The Father is supposed to represent "devine justice and judging the soul after death and that has me wondering if it could be the Night King or Jon..? The more I think on this, I don't think anyone is going to claiming the Iron Throne though...at least no one vying for it right now. I was reading the George RR Martin said that the story isn't about the war, it's about what war does to people...and if you think about Cersi saying "when you lay the game of thrones" you either win or you die...but if you think about it, no one wins in the game of thrones. And there was no one on the throne when Dany had her vision, the only thing there was snow. I mean you could say Arya is "no one" , but if she does represent the Stranger, then she also represents death...So one could take it that only way to win the game, is not to play. *shrug* ...yeah...this is me getting all philosophical now. It never occured to me that the '7 gods' could represent characters in the show. I do hesitate though because some of the characters, at least on your list, are much more minor in the books then they are in the show...mainly reffering to Grey Worm. I could easily see you being right about the Throne though. I mean it really does depend on how the Battle of Winterfell turns out but the Iron Throne could easily be 'destroyed' or rendered otherwise useless. The moral message being that the throne has ultimatley been a distraction for what was *really* important. The survival of the realms of man. And since Dany's modus operandi is her obssession with sitting on the throne that could easily set up a fall for her if she does not pull back at the last moment. Of course part of the issue here is this is one place I could see the show and the novels divergine wildly. Where the show might end with someone on the Iron Throne...Jon or Dany or both being my favorites...but the book might end with something like a total Night King victory or a much more compromised victory with King's Landing destroyed or something. I'm kind of iffy with Grey Worm too...it's just that the Warrior is supposed represent a male with bravery and strength in battle and of all those shown, Grey Worm to me, is the the bravest of them all...unless you wanna say Beric, but he's more like the Lord of Light than the Warrior. Maybe Jaime? I wouldn't say the Hound because of his fear of fire, but he has been pretty tough in other fights... or Jorah? I don't know...there are a few possibilities, but I'd say Grey Worm because he's pretty badass...Tormund may be a possibility too. He's more of a jump in first before seeing what's going on...and he's pretty strong...I was also trying to remember if the Children of the Forest ever refered to the 3 eyed Raven as Father, because he/Bran would be a good one to judge the souls of the dead and divine justice could be the lesson he learned from Ned right at the beginning of the show with the Night's Watch guy. The Mother is supposed to represent mercy and peace, so if that's who Dany is supposed to represent (if they're supposed to represent anyone at all) then she'll have to come to terms with Jon being heir to the throne and to forgive Cersi. Also, Cersi is supposed to die by the "little brother", who I've assumed was going to be Jaime...but now I wonder if it could be Bran warged into Viserion. Both of them are "the little brothers" Viserion being the smallest of the 3 dragons... I really have been over thinking this, haven't I? *Theon will represent the Drowned God. He'll die by drowning in that pond by the weirwood tree and then come back. "what is dead, cannot die." ... Jon died and came back, Beric died and came back, you could say Dany died in the fire and came back, Arya may have died fighting the waif and she could've come back...could Brienne have died during her fight with the bear and we just didn't see it? Jorah and his stone skin, maybe? We don't really know what happened to Gendry on his way back to King's Landing in the row boat and Davos could've died on those rocks during the fight at Blackwater Bay...yeah...now I'm really over thinking this.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 25, 2019 3:46:30 GMT
The only weirdness was not seeing Arya full frontal backside. Fixed.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 25, 2019 4:11:00 GMT
The only weirdness was not seeing Arya full frontal backside. Fixed. Caught me slipping there, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 4:13:19 GMT
And I'm sure you're not complaining about seeing her bottom either, are you Lavo?
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Post by Sifr on Apr 25, 2019 4:17:53 GMT
One thing though, if you were to see her represented as one of the seven gods, she'd definitely be "the Stranger". Like the Red Woman would be the Crone and because of the song The Bear and the Maiden Fair, Brienne would be the Maiden. Dany, being called Mysa and being the Mother of Dragons, would probably be the Mother. Gendry would be the Smith and Grey Worm the Warrior maybe? The Father is supposed to represent "devine justice and judging the soul after death and that has me wondering if it could be the Night King or Jon..? If you ignore gender, the Starks roughly fit the archetypes the Seven represent;
Ned: The Father: Justice Catelyn: The Mother: PeaceRobb: The Warrior: CourageJon: The Smith: StrengthBran: The Crone: ForesightSansa: The Maiden: InnocenceArya: The Stranger: Death
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 25, 2019 5:07:18 GMT
And I'm sure you're not complaining about seeing her bottom either, are you Lavo? That's one of her most important and character defining traits.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 25, 2019 6:29:06 GMT
I actually got the one I wanted...
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Post by Nayawk on Apr 25, 2019 9:10:31 GMT
I actually got the one I wanted... I second this. Didn't think it was going to happen but it was a nice climax to a relationship that has been building all series. Of course now they are all going to die
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 25, 2019 10:14:14 GMT
We didn't watch Emilia Clarke pretty much grow up on screen: That adds a weirdness factor any nude scene, enough to make it rather uncomfortable. Funny how everyone was drooling over Sansa though and yet we saw her grow up too. ...there isn't much of an age difference between the two either, just over a year. Sophie was born in 96 and 13 in season 1, Maise in 97 and 12 in season 1. Seems kind of silly that people are freaking over the Arya/Gendry scene. Is not about the actor age, is more about the character age. Sansa is developed into a mature woman, Arya - not sure - doesn't look quite like it. Maybe Williams makes her look too young, that's a matter of the make-up team I say.
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Funny how everyone was drooling over Sansa though and yet we saw her grow up too. ...there isn't much of an age difference between the two either, just over a year. Sophie was born in 96 and 13 in season 1, Maise in 97 and 12 in season 1. Seems kind of silly that people are freaking over the Arya/Gendry scene. Is not about the actor age, is more about the character age. Sansa is developed into a mature woman, Arya - not sure - doesn't look quite like it. Maybe Williams makes her look too young, that's a matter of the make-up team I say. It's funny how the character can go around brutally killing people and no one complains about her age, but her having sex gets people up in arms. Emilia in season one looked really young too, she looked the 14 years old, that Dany was supposed to be. In the show, Arya is 11 in season 1 (I know in the book she's supposed to be 9) by season 3 she would have been 14 and now she supposed to be 18, so her having sex isn't a big thing. Yeah, Maisie is young looking, and a lot of people have gotten EXTREMELY protective over the Arya character, but really, if you think about it, at least she had a say in who her partner was and she chose when, where and how...and it was with someone she had a fondness for. There have been other characters, including Dany and Sansa, who didn't have that choice. It makes perfect sense that the character would want to "take the plunge" with Gendry, the way she did. From what I understand, the Gendry/Arya romance wasn't George RR Martin's plan for in the books, neither was the Jon/Dany relationship, Jon and Arya were supposed to be the ones who got together. Gendry makes more sense though, he's younger than Jon and he isn't a close family member. (Jon being born during the rebellion and Gendry would've been born after Robert took the throne)
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 25, 2019 11:58:04 GMT
Is not about the actor age, is more about the character age. Sansa is developed into a mature woman, Arya - not sure - doesn't look quite like it. Maybe Williams makes her look too young, that's a matter of the make-up team I say. It's funny how the character can go around brutally killing people and no one complains about her age, but her having sex gets people up in arms. Emilia in season one looked really young too, she looked the 14 years old, that Dany was supposed to be. In the show, Arya is 11 in season 1 (I know in the book she's supposed to be 9) by season 3 she would have been 14 and now she supposed to be 18, so her having sex isn't a big thing. Yeah, Maisie is young looking, and a lot of people have gotten EXTREMELY protective over the Arya character, but really, if you think about it, at least she had a say in who her partner was and she chose when, where and how...and it was with someone she had a fondness for. There have been other characters, including Dany and Sansa, who didn't have that choice. It makes perfect sense that the character would want to "take the plunge" with Gendry, the way she did. From what I understand, the Gendry/Arya romance wasn't George RR Martin's plan for in the books, neither was the Jon/Dany relationship, Jon and Arya were supposed to be the ones who got together. Gendry makes more sense though, he's younger than Jon and he isn't a close family member. (Jon being born during the rebellion and Gendry would've been born after Robert took the throne) I dint read any books. All I can say is that Arya looks underage in current episodes. To me at least.
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It's funny how the character can go around brutally killing people and no one complains about her age, but her having sex gets people up in arms. Emilia in season one looked really young too, she looked the 14 years old, that Dany was supposed to be. In the show, Arya is 11 in season 1 (I know in the book she's supposed to be 9) by season 3 she would have been 14 and now she supposed to be 18, so her having sex isn't a big thing. Yeah, Maisie is young looking, and a lot of people have gotten EXTREMELY protective over the Arya character, but really, if you think about it, at least she had a say in who her partner was and she chose when, where and how...and it was with someone she had a fondness for. There have been other characters, including Dany and Sansa, who didn't have that choice. It makes perfect sense that the character would want to "take the plunge" with Gendry, the way she did. From what I understand, the Gendry/Arya romance wasn't George RR Martin's plan for in the books, neither was the Jon/Dany relationship, Jon and Arya were supposed to be the ones who got together. Gendry makes more sense though, he's younger than Jon and he isn't a close family member. (Jon being born during the rebellion and Gendry would've been born after Robert took the throne) I dint read any books. All I can say is that Arya looks underage in current episodes. To me at least. Yeah, she never did grow very much and I suppose she does look young, and keeping her with "the natural look" just makes her seem younger than what she is, but then that look goes with the era. I doubt they were trying to make her look so young. It also doesn't help that we saw her grow-up and many people grew kind of protective over her character...kind of like the Lyanna Mormont character. Seeing her in that armour was kind of a shock. I was both proud to see her looking all grown-up but also kind of concerned for her because she really was too young to be going into battle, no matter what her attitude is like. The worst for me, was that wife they had given Walder Frye though. That girl seemed WAY too young for such an old guy, but it some places, pairings like that happen quite often. It's just a shock to see it when you're not used to it.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 25, 2019 15:14:27 GMT
I dint read any books. All I can say is that Arya looks underage in current episodes. To me at least. Yeah, she never did grow very much and I suppose she does look young, and keeping her with "the natural look" just makes her seem younger than what she is, but then that look goes with the era. I doubt they were trying to make her look so young. It also doesn't help that we saw her grow-up and many people grew kind of protective over her character...kind of like the Lyanna Mormont character. Seeing her in that armour was kind of a shock. I was both proud to see her looking all grown-up but also kind of concerned for her because she really was too young to be going into battle, no matter what her attitude is like. The worst for me, was that wife they had given Walder Frye though. That girl seemed WAY too young for such an old guy, but it some places, pairings like that happen quite often. It's just a shock to see it when you're not used to it. Ye, they hired them as teens to act. Turner matured a bit better physically. I'd just have the makeup department add more aging to Arya and that's what they're for, imo.
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One thing though, if you were to see her represented as one of the seven gods, she'd definitely be "the Stranger". Like the Red Woman would be the Crone and because of the song The Bear and the Maiden Fair, Brienne would be the Maiden. Dany, being called Mysa and being the Mother of Dragons, would probably be the Mother. Gendry would be the Smith and Grey Worm the Warrior maybe? The Father is supposed to represent "devine justice and judging the soul after death and that has me wondering if it could be the Night King or Jon..? If you ignore gender, the Starks roughly fit the archetypes the Seven represent;
Ned: The Father: Justice Catelyn: The Mother: PeaceRobb: The Warrior: CourageJon: The Smith: StrengthBran: The Crone: ForesightSansa: The Maiden: InnocenceArya: The Stranger: Death If we were to ignore gender, then I'd say Rickon had a better chance of representing innocence than Sansa. Sansa has always been way too self-centered for me to consider her an innocent. She was more of a young Cersi than anything. After what she's gone through and learned, I'd put her more in the Crone catagory because she has gained Knowledge and insight. But really, I don't think she represents any of them, though there may be a deity from one of the other religions she may represent. I can't remember who it was Catelyn worshipped before she married Ned. Was it The Seven or was it another religion? I know she changed over to Neds religion after she moved into Winterfell though. I don't think all the Starks were meant to represent the Seven, most of them are dead. If the gods were meant to be represented, it would have to be by the living. The representatives would've been gathered up and brought to one place, like they are now. That's how prophecy and destiny works, I would think. Another thing that I was thinking about was the deal Crastor struck with the Night King over his sons...is it possible that like Thoros, the boys in Crastors lineage are able to raise the dead and that's why the Night King wants them and how they are able to raise their zombie troops? If so, then Baby Sam could be very important to have at Winterfell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 15:53:28 GMT
Yeah, she never did grow very much and I suppose she does look young, and keeping her with "the natural look" just makes her seem younger than what she is, but then that look goes with the era. I doubt they were trying to make her look so young. It also doesn't help that we saw her grow-up and many people grew kind of protective over her character...kind of like the Lyanna Mormont character. Seeing her in that armour was kind of a shock. I was both proud to see her looking all grown-up but also kind of concerned for her because she really was too young to be going into battle, no matter what her attitude is like. The worst for me, was that wife they had given Walder Frye though. That girl seemed WAY too young for such an old guy, but it some places, pairings like that happen quite often. It's just a shock to see it when you're not used to it. Ye, they hired them as teens to act. Turner matured a bit better physically. I'd just have the makeup department add more aging to Arya and that's what they're for, imo. Sophie Turner grew like a frickin' weed, that girl is tall! But you can't always predict genetics, right? And because of her height, Sophie suddenly looked older where Maisie never really sprouted at all. The make-up department probably could have done more to age Arya's looks, but considering the part, more make-up would have probably looked out of place for what her character was going to be doing...I don't think any of the actresses had an overly made up look, except for maybe a few of the prostitutes and Ellaria from Dorne. For the most part, the women had a natural look to them.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 25, 2019 15:58:12 GMT
Ye, they hired them as teens to act. Turner matured a bit better physically. I'd just have the makeup department add more aging to Arya and that's what they're for, imo. Sophie Turner grew like a frickin' weed, that girl is tall! But you can't always predict genetics, right? And because of her height, Sophie suddenly looked older where Maisie never really sprouted at all. The make-up department probably could have done more to age Arya's looks, but considering the part, more make-up would have probably looked out of place for what her character was going to be doing...I don't think any of the actresses had an overly made up look, except for maybe a few of the prostitutes and Ellaria from Dorne. For the most part, the women had a natural look to them. Ye, hit or miss how the little ones grow. But I also dig the current Sansa outfit. I think she just looks hot and classy in black. And I like tall, too.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 25, 2019 20:14:00 GMT
Should we set up a poll for who's gonna die in Ep. 3? Guess we'd need a mod or a new thread for that.
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Post by mousestalker on Apr 25, 2019 21:08:46 GMT
Should we set up a poll for who's gonna die in Ep. 3? Guess we'd need a mod or a new thread for that.
Anyone can create a poll.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 25, 2019 21:09:51 GMT
I think Alan means edit this thread to add a poll? Which would need either the OP who hasn't been online for over a month, or a mod.
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