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Post by smilesja on Jul 13, 2017 20:49:02 GMT
I've said it in the twitter thread and I'll say it here. This has to be the most alive dead game in video game history. EA's internal numbers will show just how alive/dead the game is. Some social media hashtag movement is not indicative of the success/failure/popularity of the game. But Hope > Logic right? Hey im not the one saying that the game is dead. It's people on twitter, Reddit and other sites.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 22:18:34 GMT
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 14, 2017 0:18:01 GMT
EA's internal numbers will show just how alive/dead the game is. Some social media hashtag movement is not indicative of the success/failure/popularity of the game. But Hope > Logic right? Hey im not the one saying that the game is dead. It's people on twitter, Reddit and other sites. I think it depends on what people mean by "dead". Do they mean dead as in nobody is playing it, the servers are empty, and Bioware has no scheduled patches? Or do they mean dead as in, people still play it and Bioware still plans on patching the game, but in terms of continuing it's story through story DLCs and sequels? It think it is more of the latter. Is the game dead as in nobody playing it? No, I am sure there are still people who play MEA for the MP or SP, but how many? That is what EA knows internally and that is what EA will use (or have already used) to determine if it is financially sound to put more money into the game and develop SP DLC. I mean, so yeah, this hashtag movement is supposed to show EA/Bioware that people like the game? Again, that is so hilarious because I am sure it is obvious that people like the game as Bioware as a very loyal fanbase. But but if their internal data shows that it still isn't financially sound to go forward, then that is what they will base the decision off of. I mean, I seriously doubt some suit & tie up at the Electronic Arts HQs is sitting at his/her desk and saying, "Hmmmm, this #SaveTheQuarians movement is quite strong. Our internal data shows that if we pour money into SP DLC, it would be a financial loss, but who cares? I am going to go forward with DLC anyways, despite the financial hit we will take since #SaveTheQuarians is so strong"I mean, really?
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Post by smilesja on Jul 14, 2017 0:22:50 GMT
We don't know, but judging from what EA said at their investor's meeting. They seem optimistic. Meanwhile we'll do what we can to show Bioware our support.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 14, 2017 0:34:27 GMT
Hey im not the one saying that the game is dead. It's people on twitter, Reddit and other sites. I think it depends on what people mean by "dead". Do they mean dead as in nobody is playing it, the servers are empty, and Bioware has no scheduled patches? Or do they mean dead as in, people still play it and Bioware still plans on patching the game, but in terms of continuing it's story through story DLCs and sequels? It think it is more of the latter. Is the game dead as in nobody playing it? No, I am sure there are still people who play MEA for the MP or SP, but how many? That is what EA knows internally and that is what EA will use (or have already used) to determine if it is financially sound to put more money into the game and develop SP DLC. I mean, so yeah, this hashtag movement is supposed to show EA/Bioware that people like the game? Again, that is so hilarious because I am sure it is obvious that people like the game as Bioware as a very loyal fanbase. But but if their internal data shows that it still isn't financially sound to go forward, then that is what they will base the decision off of. I mean, I seriously doubt some suit & tie up at the Electronic Arts HQs is sitting at his/her desk and saying, "Hmmmm, this #SaveTheQuarians movement is quite strong. Our internal data shows that if we pour money into SP DLC, it would be a financial loss, but who cares? I am going to go forward with DLC anyways, despite the financial hit we will take since #SaveTheQuarians is so strong"I mean, really? But if a dev or two who had to go through all the post-release hate sees some of the positive comments in the hashtag - showing some enjoyed the game and would like to see more of it - and gets a smile because of it, then the hashtag's already done some good. That's part of the reason why I've been pumping it: a show of support and appreciation. If that's so horrible and offensive and illogical, then here... I will spread my arms and you can go ahead and nail me to the cross, then. Since this hashtag apparently has you, what, exactly? Some type of negative emotion, clearly, since you've brought it up at least in two or three other threads across the forum.
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Post by warrior on Jul 14, 2017 0:34:49 GMT
Hey im not the one saying that the game is dead. It's people on twitter, Reddit and other sites. I think it depends on what people mean by "dead". Do they mean dead as in nobody is playing it, the servers are empty, and Bioware has no scheduled patches? Or do they mean dead as in, people still play it and Bioware still plans on patching the game, but in terms of continuing it's story through story DLCs and sequels? It think it is more of the latter. Is the game dead as in nobody playing it? No, I am sure there are still people who play MEA for the MP or SP, but how many? That is what EA knows internally and that is what EA will use (or have already used) to determine if it is financially sound to put more money into the game and develop SP DLC. Is this definitely how companies like EA estimate the value of DLC, or are you just speculating? Because not everyone replays games 80 times in a row, even ones they really liked. Just saying. I'm just now replaying the trilogy to the end and they're pretty much my favorite three games of all time. I've only played ME2 and Fallout 3 twice through to the end, and every other game I've played in the past 10 years is in a ranked queue to be replayed once I finish with all the new games I want to play--a slow process because new games I want to play come out fairly often... and I don't play games all day and night, so... But I also don't like replaying games that much because I know I'll get tired of them, and I like to wait a couple years so that I at least forget some things. MEA is still too fresh for me to replay yet, and the only reason I will replay it (the main story missions and loyalty missions) sooner if SP DLC comes out is because so many improvements have been made since I finished it and I'm really curious to see how the game has changed throughout; otherwise I would be buying the SP DLC and just playing it with the character I'd already created and beat the game with. Maybe also worth noting that some people who are pretty lukewarm on the game overall--like me--will still buy the DLC. Am I a total anomaly here?
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 14, 2017 1:14:09 GMT
I think it depends on what people mean by "dead". Do they mean dead as in nobody is playing it, the servers are empty, and Bioware has no scheduled patches? Or do they mean dead as in, people still play it and Bioware still plans on patching the game, but in terms of continuing it's story through story DLCs and sequels? It think it is more of the latter. Is the game dead as in nobody playing it? No, I am sure there are still people who play MEA for the MP or SP, but how many? That is what EA knows internally and that is what EA will use (or have already used) to determine if it is financially sound to put more money into the game and develop SP DLC. I mean, so yeah, this hashtag movement is supposed to show EA/Bioware that people like the game? Again, that is so hilarious because I am sure it is obvious that people like the game as Bioware as a very loyal fanbase. But but if their internal data shows that it still isn't financially sound to go forward, then that is what they will base the decision off of. I mean, I seriously doubt some suit & tie up at the Electronic Arts HQs is sitting at his/her desk and saying, "Hmmmm, this #SaveTheQuarians movement is quite strong. Our internal data shows that if we pour money into SP DLC, it would be a financial loss, but who cares? I am going to go forward with DLC anyways, despite the financial hit we will take since #SaveTheQuarians is so strong"I mean, really? But if a dev or two who had to go through all the post-release hate sees some of the positive comments in the hashtag - showing some enjoyed the game and would like to see more of it - and gets a smile because of it, then the hashtag's already done some good. That's part of the reason why I've been pumping it: a show of support and appreciation. If that's so horrible and offensive and illogical, then here... I will spread my arms and you can go ahead and nail me to the cross, then. Since this hashtag apparently has you, what, exactly? Some type of negative emotion, clearly, since you've brought it up at least in two or three other threads across the forum. I'm not questioning whether or not the movement will make some executive, artist, or programmer smile. What I am questioning is people believing that the "movement" popularity will somehow override whatever other metrics/data that EA uses in order to forecast profit gain/loss on a particular endeavor. But I won't deter this thread any further. Continue on with your movement. Hope > Logic
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Post by kino on Jul 14, 2017 1:21:52 GMT
Is this definitely how companies like EA estimate the value of DLC, or are you just speculating? Because not everyone replays games 80 times in a row, even ones they really liked. Just saying. I'm just now replaying the trilogy to the end and they're pretty much my favorite three games of all time. I've only played ME2 and Fallout 3 twice through to the end, and every other game I've played in the past 10 years is in a ranked queue to be replayed once I finish with all the new games I want to play--a slow process because new games I want to play come out fairly often... and I don't play games all day and night, so... But I also don't like replaying games that much because I know I'll get tired of them, and I like to wait a couple years so that I at least forget some things. MEA is still too fresh for me to replay yet, and the only reason I will replay it (the main story missions and loyalty missions) sooner if SP DLC comes out is because so many improvements have been made since I finished it and I'm really curious to see how the game has changed throughout; otherwise I would be buying the SP DLC and just playing it with the character I'd already created and beat the game with. Maybe also worth noting that some people who are pretty lukewarm on the game overall--like me--will still buy the DLC. Am I a total anomaly here? You are not. Most people will play through maybe twice for the story, maybe one more after that if they're chasing achievements. After five months I suspect any internal data EA has shows that the game isn't being actively played as much any longer, but if the install base is still large enough, and I'm sure it is, that's what counts.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 14, 2017 1:50:24 GMT
I think it depends on what people mean by "dead". Do they mean dead as in nobody is playing it, the servers are empty, and Bioware has no scheduled patches? Or do they mean dead as in, people still play it and Bioware still plans on patching the game, but in terms of continuing it's story through story DLCs and sequels? It think it is more of the latter. Is the game dead as in nobody playing it? No, I am sure there are still people who play MEA for the MP or SP, but how many? That is what EA knows internally and that is what EA will use (or have already used) to determine if it is financially sound to put more money into the game and develop SP DLC. Is this definitely how companies like EA estimate the value of DLC, or are you just speculating? Because not everyone replays games 80 times in a row, even ones they really liked. Just saying. I'm just now replaying the trilogy to the end and they're pretty much my favorite three games of all time. I've only played ME2 and Fallout 3 twice through to the end, and every other game I've played in the past 10 years is in a ranked queue to be replayed once I finish with all the new games I want to play--a slow process because new games I want to play come out fairly often... and I don't play games all day and night, so... But I also don't like replaying games that much because I know I'll get tired of them, and I like to wait a couple years so that I at least forget some things. MEA is still too fresh for me to replay yet, and the only reason I will replay it (the main story missions and loyalty missions) sooner if SP DLC comes out is because so many improvements have been made since I finished it and I'm really curious to see how the game has changed throughout; otherwise I would be buying the SP DLC and just playing it with the character I'd already created and beat the game with. Maybe also worth noting that some people who are pretty lukewarm on the game overall--like me--will still buy the DLC. Am I a total anomaly here? It is not speculation. All publishers have certain formulas or standards that they use in order to decide if a game should get a sequel or future content. Now I am sure that EA/Bioware had already planned for a string of SP DLC for MEa (hence the Quarian hint). However, they just do not go blindly into it. They will evaluate if it still makes financial sense to go forward and they would use certain factors to determine Yes or No. This decision is most likely done within the first few weeks after launch as that is where most of the sales and activity comes from, this is when the journalist reviews come, and this is where the initial reaction comes. By April, EA most likely already made up their mind if they are going to go forward or not because game development is very complex. EA has so many projects going on, they have to make decisions quick and not drag them out because they are sitting on money and they have to decide where it is allocated. I doubt, here in mid-July they are still debating on whether they should make SP DLC or not. If they are making SP DLC, then this decision was already made months ago and money has already been allocated toward that endeavor. If they are not making SP DLC, then this decision was again already made months ago and the money has already been allocated to other projects (as the Kotaku article suggest).
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 14, 2017 15:03:35 GMT
I've said it in the twitter thread and I'll say it here. This has to be the most alive dead game in video game history. EA's internal numbers will show just how alive/dead the game is. Some social media hashtag movement is not indicative of the success/failure/popularity of the game. But Hope > Logic right? Ok get back to us when you have that info then.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 14, 2017 21:26:12 GMT
So we gotta continue to #SAVETHEQUARIANS!
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Post by antmarch456 on Jul 14, 2017 21:42:53 GMT
The hashtag reminds me of the Rogue One quote "Save the rebellion, save the dream.""Save the Quarians. Save the dream."
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Post by ross42899 on Jul 14, 2017 22:02:09 GMT
I think it depends on what people mean by "dead". Do they mean dead as in nobody is playing it, the servers are empty, and Bioware has no scheduled patches? Or do they mean dead as in, people still play it and Bioware still plans on patching the game, but in terms of continuing it's story through story DLCs and sequels? It think it is more of the latter. Is the game dead as in nobody playing it? No, I am sure there are still people who play MEA for the MP or SP, but how many? That is what EA knows internally and that is what EA will use (or have already used) to determine if it is financially sound to put more money into the game and develop SP DLC. Is this definitely how companies like EA estimate the value of DLC, or are you just speculating? Because not everyone replays games 80 times in a row, even ones they really liked. Just saying. I'm just now replaying the trilogy to the end and they're pretty much my favorite three games of all time. I've only played ME2 and Fallout 3 twice through to the end, and every other game I've played in the past 10 years is in a ranked queue to be replayed once I finish with all the new games I want to play--a slow process because new games I want to play come out fairly often... and I don't play games all day and night, so... But I also don't like replaying games that much because I know I'll get tired of them, and I like to wait a couple years so that I at least forget some things. MEA is still too fresh for me to replay yet, and the only reason I will replay it (the main story missions and loyalty missions) sooner if SP DLC comes out is because so many improvements have been made since I finished it and I'm really curious to see how the game has changed throughout; otherwise I would be buying the SP DLC and just playing it with the character I'd already created and beat the game with. Maybe also worth noting that some people who are pretty lukewarm on the game overall--like me--will still buy the DLC. Am I a total anomaly here? I usually finish a game once, then stop playing until first DLC is released and then continue playing DLC with that character. Once all DLC is released, I start a complete new playthrough with a new character. That's what I did with ME 2 & 3. Although I like MEA i haven't played it in the last few weeks because I'm waiting/hoping for DLC so I can continue to play.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 14, 2017 22:07:15 GMT
I've said it in the twitter thread and I'll say it here. This has to be the most alive dead game in video game history. EA's internal numbers will show just how alive/dead the game is. Some social media hashtag movement is not indicative of the success/failure/popularity of the game. But Hope > Logic right? As the numbers are unknown, the actual equation is: Hope > Absence of hope
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Post by themikefest on Jul 14, 2017 22:13:15 GMT
Excellent. That shows how pathetic Tali is. She stands there like the dumba** she is while the geth uploads the code instead of making any attempt to stop it. She never cared about her species. Too bad there wasn't a renegade interrupt to laugh as she's falling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 22:21:57 GMT
Excellent. That shows how pathetic Tali is. She stands there like the dumba** she is while the geth uploads the code instead of making any attempt to stop it. She never cared about her species. Too bad there wasn't a renegade interrupt to laugh as she's falling. Ooohh maaan... you sure that this is the hill you want to die on?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 22:32:45 GMT
But if a dev or two who had to go through all the post-release hate sees some of the positive comments in the hashtag - showing some enjoyed the game and would like to see more of it - and gets a smile because of it, then the hashtag's already done some good. That's part of the reason why I've been pumping it: a show of support and appreciation. If that's so horrible and offensive and illogical, then here... I will spread my arms and you can go ahead and nail me to the cross, then. Since this hashtag apparently has you, what, exactly? Some type of negative emotion, clearly, since you've brought it up at least in two or three other threads across the forum. I'm not questioning whether or not the movement will make some executive, artist, or programmer smile. What I am questioning is people believing that the "movement" popularity will somehow override whatever other metrics/data that EA uses in order to forecast profit gain/loss on a particular endeavor. But I won't deter this thread any further. Continue on with your movement. Hope > Logic Is there any hope that you could just leave the positive ME:A threads alone? There isn't any harm in being optimistic and there is no need to shit on the optimists.
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Post by Sarayne on Jul 14, 2017 23:10:58 GMT
I'm not questioning whether or not the movement will make some executive, artist, or programmer smile. What I am questioning is people believing that the "movement" popularity will somehow override whatever other metrics/data that EA uses in order to forecast profit gain/loss on a particular endeavor. But I won't deter this thread any further. Continue on with your movement. Hope > Logic Is there any hope that you could just leave the positive ME:A threads alone? There isn't any harm in being optimistic and there is no need to shit on the optimists. At this point I am convinced that this must be his fetish or something lel. What other reason would a person have for doing this over and over to only be slapped down by this thread?
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 14, 2017 23:12:09 GMT
Excellent. That shows how pathetic Tali is. She stands there like the dumba** she is while the geth uploads the code instead of making any attempt to stop it. She never cared about her species. Too bad there wasn't a renegade interrupt to laugh as she's falling. Ooooo not good man. Us Talimancers will set you on 🔥.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 23:12:31 GMT
Is there any hope that you could just leave the positive ME:A threads alone? There isn't any harm in being optimistic and there is no need to shit on the optimists. At this point I am convinced that this must be his fetish or something lel. What other reason would a person have for doing this over and over to only be slapped down by this thread? I can't answer that, honestly. I hate some games, sure, but I don't make it my mission to poop on any and all positive threads I see about those games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 23:13:18 GMT
Excellent. That shows how pathetic Tali is. She stands there like the dumba** she is while the geth uploads the code instead of making any attempt to stop it. She never cared about her species. Too bad there wasn't a renegade interrupt to laugh as she's falling. Ooooo not good man. Us Talimancers will set you on 🔥. DON'T FUCK WITH WAIFU!!1
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 14, 2017 23:13:50 GMT
Ooooo not good man. Us Talimancers will set you on 🔥. DON'T FUCK WITH WAIFU!!1?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 23:14:48 GMT
Just adding to what you said... in insane fashion.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 14, 2017 23:26:26 GMT
Ooooo not good man. Us Talimancers will set you on 🔥. That won't change anything. She's still a dumba** for not making any effort to stop the upload.
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