ammo power ranks and priming

Yes, higher ammo = faster priming

It is hard for me to see a difference. It feels like the priming rate is variable within a match (likely a function of my missing a lot, but it is what it is, haha).

I feel like rank I almost doesn't prime at all, but it could just be lag.

I often use Hurricane with rank 1 Ammos and have no problems priming.

I do have some problems when using equalizer and ammos. I noticed that most of the enemies die before they are primed, probably because they boosted the damage in the last patch.

same here

NO

It is not a chance per hit like ME3. It is cumulative, you need to put X number of rounds on target, then it will prime the ammo once. Disruptor ammo takes 1 activation to stun and prime. Incindiary takes 1 non-shield activation to prime, but can stack multiple damage over time effects. Cryo takes 1 activation on health enemies, and 1-3 for armored ones, depending on the target. Shielded enemies are immune to incendiary and cryo ammunition's effects.

What is X,
Generally, X is the weapon rate of fire (R) /25 This is capped on the bottom at 50 rate of fire, and 250 rate of fire at the top.
If a weapon fires 50 or less, it would take 2
If a weapon fires at 250 or more it takes 10

SO if a weapon has 75 rate of fire, it takes 75/25, or 3 hits to prime. It does not matter if you fire 10 shots and 7 miss, or 3 that all hit in a row, 3 hits and the ammo primes. It WILL NEVER ACTIVATE AMMO WITH LESS THAN 3 HITS ON THE SAME TARGET.

There is an exception.
"SHOTGUN TYPE" weapons use R/5, with the same parameters
So with 50 rof or less it would take 10 hits
With 250 or more it takes 50
Usually shotguns fire more than one pellet per shot, making up for this.
The ruzad has 75 rate of fire, so takes 15 hits to prime, but fires 5 pellets per shot, so if you land all pellets you can prime in 3 shots.


Not all shotguns use shotgun type, and some non shotguns use shotgun type.
The crusader shotgun uses normal R/25
The talon pistol uses shotgun R/5

The Dahn shotgun, despite firing only one pellet uses shotgun R/5, this means it takes 19 shots for it to prime enemies, and vary few can actually survive that, meaning it "never primes"

Some of the new siphon/bulwark/concussive weapons appear to be using the shotgun modified priming formula while their normal variants don't.
The normal charger uses normal priming, rof>250 = 250/25 = 10 hits to prime
The siphon charger is using shotgun values, Rof>250 = 250/5 = 50 hits to prime


Weapon prime rate is a function of the weapon itself, the ammo only effects the ends to which the ammo has an effect on the target. The ammo level has zero effect on the prime rate. The only benefit of level 4 ammo over level 1 is that your bullets deal 10% more damage instead of 2.5%.

Because they don't test things in controlled settings?

I don't know why people FEEL different. Placebo effect?

If you test consistently, you get the same result every single time. I can run any weapon, shoot an enemy X number of times, and regardless of the ammo type, level, and other variables get the same result. The only time the calculation and experiment deviate is when a weapon uses/doesn't use the shotgun modifier as expected.

Shoot a beserker in the head 10 times with a cyclone, disruptor 1, stun and prime
Shoot a beserker in the back 10 times with a cyclone, disruptor 2, stun and prime
Shoot a beserker in the foot 10 times with a cyclone, disruptor 3, stun and prime
Shoot a beserker in the quad 10 times with a cyclone, disruptor 4, stun and prime
Shoot a beserker in the head 10 times with a cyclone, incendiary 1, ignition and prime
Shoot a beserker in the hand 10 times with a cyclone, incendiary 2, ignition and prime
Shoot a beserker in the tail 10 times with a cyclone, incendiary 3, ignition and prime
Shoot a beserker in the quad 10 times with a cyclone, incendiary 4, ignition and prime
Shoot a beserker in the head 30 times with a cyclone, Cryo 1, Iced, slowed, primed
Shoot a beserker in the knee 30 times with a cyclone, Cryo 2, Iced, slowed, primed
Shoot a beserker in the hip 30 times with a cyclone, Cryo 3, Iced, slowed, primed
Shoot a beserker in the quad 30 times with a cyclone, Cryo 4, Iced, slowed, primed

Beserkers have 3x resistance to ice, they also have the ability to remove ammo stacks with their enrage heal ability. That ability is what makes them such useful test subjects though, you can let them heal to full and shoot them again to get the same results.

Oh my fucking god level I ammo primes fine you retarded monkeys stop spreading bullshit

THERE. IS. NO. SUCH. THING. AS. AMMO. NOT. PRIMING. 

I'm about to have an aneurysm over this if people don't get it. Also I'm posting in agreement with misguidedworm. The is no difference in priming with rank I to rank IV ammo. There is no difference. They prime the exact same. If an enemy DIES before it's primed, that's not the ammo's fault.

For the record, posting something emphasizing that you're really angry doesn't make you sound any smarter.

Also, you're reading a lot more into it than is actually there. There is a reason people ask questions and discuss this stuff. Flipping out and having an aneurysm every time someone doesn't understand how something works 100% but discusses it anyway is a waste of your time and theirs.

I never said that Rank I Ammo doesn't prime. I have literally only ever used Rank I ammo, because it is virtually I all I have ever received in packs. I wasn't differentiating, I was being specific based on my experience.

Also, I have never primed using the Dahn. Never. You can claim otherwise, as angry as you want, but that will never make it true. And we have an explanation as to why it works that way.

If you want to get angry at me, that's fine, but I'd rather you didn't invent things that I claimed in order to do so. I don't see the point, since it doesn't accomplish anything but to create an argument where none exists.

Did you think re-quoting me would somehow equate to proving I claimed that Rank 1 Ammo doesn't prime? I even finished explaining what I said to you and why I said it and you still don't understand? O.o

At this point, I honestly have no idea why you're angry with me, but you're acting like a douche, so I'm starting to feel like maybe I should be angry with you. I'm not, but I'm starting to feel sad.

This thread went well. Information was gained. Observations were explained. I will go and leave you to rage.

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