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Post by DoctorFox on Jul 18, 2017 14:50:18 GMT
Except there's no evidence that ME:A failed to reach sales targets. It is nothing but unfounded speculation. Which is why I used the word 'theory'
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Post by samhain444 on Jul 18, 2017 15:08:45 GMT
They've just spend 4 months on patches polishing all the animation glitches, performance issues, bugs, etc that fueled the fire for all those memes and GIFs from the initial EA Access trial on March 17th so this seems to me to be their attempt to allow people to see the game as it was originally intended.
It costs them nothing to allow people to try the game for 10 hours as those who may not have had an interest may pick it up if they like what they see. People say this is an unusual step for BioWare but I contend this was an unusual launch for them and I think this is their attempt to "re-launch" a bit while, at the same time, re-write a bit of its legacy.
I think the game did fine financially but they know it would have done better if it was released like it is now.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 18, 2017 15:15:52 GMT
You do realize that speculating is the whole point of this forum, right? No, I would say it's not the whole point of the forum. The whole point of the forum is hosting discussion on various topics about Bioware... that includes such things as very factual discussions about what happens during individual quests within their games, weapons tests, build advice... all sorts of other things that do not involve much, if any, wild speculation about the company's future. At this point, however, your use of an exaggerated generalization to build upon and support what is, essentially, your opinion is very predictable. I'm not disagreeing with you, it just felt like you were pointing out the obvious.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 18, 2017 15:20:18 GMT
Except there's no evidence that ME:A failed to reach sales targets. It is nothing but unfounded speculation. Which is why I used the word 'theory' Then you should say hypothesis, not theory.
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Post by kino on Jul 18, 2017 15:21:21 GMT
Micro transactions? Through what, multiplayer? I find that highly unlikely. Even if MEAMP were as successful as ME3MP, and I don't think it is judging by the MP part of the forum, it would have needed to pull in multi-million's of dollars in just four months, which means they would only now start working on DLC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 15:28:44 GMT
I highly doubt that MP microtransactions feed back into the SP of the game... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 18, 2017 15:46:24 GMT
That was the case for ME3, as Multiplayer was originally developed as separate game but then decided to be merged with ME3. ME:A MP was developed under same budget as SP, as from very start MP was part of ME:A. I see. So does that mean I should start throwing my money at MP? Not unless you want to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 16:05:20 GMT
I see. So does that mean I should start throwing my money at MP? Not unless you want to. Me and CS:GO cases, man... I have a problem.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 18, 2017 16:34:21 GMT
Tbh it's more likely that its a tactic to demonstrate that all the stuff Reddit was whining about has mostly been fixed (or indeed, was never there to begin with). In practice, free trials are normally used to showcase improvements made in a game, not to plug holes in sales expectations. Well, you just left off the part of my post where I said they were showing the game with improvements. At least quote the whole thing. ...and I would have included it if it had any relevance to the point you initially made. I wasn't suggesting you had missed or denied that any improvements had been made, I was challenging your assertion that the presence of free trials means the game sold poorly. Summarising or partial quotes aren't exactly a new thing and assuming you're not senile, I don't really understand what the issue is.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 18, 2017 17:18:30 GMT
Me and CS:GO cases, man... I have a problem. Whlist I've heard of it I don't play it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:35:41 GMT
Me and CS:GO cases, man... I have a problem. Whlist I've heard of it I don't play it. Not surprised, tbh. CS is basically the opposite of a BioWare game. To each their own and all that jazz.
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Post by DoctorFox on Jul 18, 2017 17:46:45 GMT
Which is why I used the word 'theory' Then you should say hypothesis, not theory.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 18, 2017 17:52:45 GMT
I highly doubt that MP microtransactions feed back into the SP of the game... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not the way the OP thinks. Still, it isn't crazy for one part of a bundle to subsidize another. In a sense, SP is a marketing service for MP in a shooter though I don't think ME:A's budgets are structured that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 18:06:32 GMT
I highly doubt that MP microtransactions feed back into the SP of the game... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not the way the OP thinks. Still, it isn't crazy for one part of a bundle to subsidize another. In a sense, SP is a marketing service for MP in a shooter though I don't think ME:A's budgets are structured that way. That seem to me to be the way the OP thinks... ME:A really isn't an MP shooter, imo. All we have really is some speculation... man am I growing tired of speculation.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 18, 2017 18:43:40 GMT
Like I said upthread, my problem with the theory is that any MP microtransaction revenue was already baked into the plan, so it can't just show up,as magical DLC funding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 18:50:28 GMT
Like I said upthread, my problem with the theory is that any MP microtransaction revenue was already baked into the plan, so it can't just show up,as magical DLC funding. Ah. I get ya and agree.
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Post by duckley on Jul 18, 2017 22:19:34 GMT
They've just spend 4 months on patches polishing all the animation glitches, performance issues, bugs, etc that fueled the fire for all those memes and GIFs from the initial EA Access trial on March 17th so this seems to me to be their attempt to allow people to see the game as it was originally intended. It costs them nothing to allow people to try the game for 10 hours as those who may not have had an interest may pick it up if they like what they see. People say this is an unusual step for BioWare but I contend this was an unusual launch for them and I think this is their attempt to "re-launch" a bit while, at the same time, re-write a bit of its legacy. I think the game did fine financially but they know it would have done better if it was released like it is now. This^
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Jul 19, 2017 6:42:52 GMT
see if EA can screw over titan fAll 2 with a terrible release date that absolutely ruined its sales and didnt even come close to meeting its expected sales, and then offer all dlc released is free for the game i have a very hard time believing that EA wouldnt give the funding for MEA dlc. like when has bad sales ever stopped EA from making dlc content for any game they have released. actually i dont know of a single game they have made in the last several years that hasnt had any dlc added on to it. even games like FIFA and maden have dlc and micro-transactions.
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Post by clips7 on Jul 19, 2017 9:18:07 GMT
There was a thread floating around here that had a link that posted something along the lines in how Andromeda sold well through April....i think it was like in the top 10 for that time period from March through April....somebody mentioned that they think it broke even, but i highly doubt that...the game cost 40 million to make right?...... I think i heard the game first week sales was close to 3 million?...( i know speculating!... )...but i think most games don't make that profit until a few years after it's release. (or for the life time of the game...however that is measured). It gives dev's time to work on the next game while new gamer's slowly purchase the game here and there. The issue for Andromeda (again speculating) becomes whether there was a huge dropoff in sales after the launch and after it received huge criticisms for it's animation and glitching issues. The free trial, as someone else mentioned could be seen as a way to reel back in disappointed gamers that initially received the game, so they can experience the game after the patches. The game is much better now ( i always had issues with the story and characters...something that patches can't fix) but i still think DLC is coming down the pike....they are supporting this game with patches (which are NOT cheap BTW) so EA is still standing behind the franchise. I always stated that one mediorce ME game does not and should not spell the end for the franchise.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 14:38:12 GMT
"I've got a theory! It could be bunnies!"
Buffy anyone?
Buffy?....
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 19, 2017 17:04:11 GMT
Ah yes... wildly speculating about Bioware and EA... a pointless (IMO), but seemingly favorite past-time of many people here. The bottom-line of any speculating is that it is an admission that one simply doesn't know. I'll just wait to see what happens. You do realize that speculating is the whole point of this forum, right? Oh, you got him. But yeah, hard to know without sales figures. We will know eventually, but I'm surprised EA hasn't talked about it like they usually do with good numbers. Still, for DLC, I think it has solid chances to happen, despite lots of evidence telling the contrary.
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Post by patriciachr34 on Jul 19, 2017 19:15:45 GMT
EA Brass: With ME:A failing to reach sales targets, we're contemplating writing the series off and shelving everything until further notice. Bioware 1: But we still have a huge fanbase and we had planned SP DLC. EA Brass: I'm sorry but you missed your quota by a country mile. There is no more money left in the pot for this game. Bioware 1: What if we funded our own DLC development money? EA Brass: Like through micro-transactions in-game? Bioware 1: Yes, if we can gather enough money together via micro-transactions we could use it to finish development on the Quarian Ark DLC then that in itself would drive more profit. EA Brass: Alright, seems fair enough. But no promises. Do not under any circumstances lead the public on to believe that there is something in the works. If you fail to hit your quota this time and they think something is coming, there will be hell to pay. Keep it quiet just in case. Bioware 1: Will do. Have you read the 2016 transcripts of the board meeting? Apparently not. You are way off base. EA is very please with Andromeda's performance and so is the board. Dude. Stop trying to create drama.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 20, 2017 2:00:54 GMT
Ah yes... wildly speculating about Bioware and EA... a pointless (IMO), but seemingly favorite past-time of many people here. The bottom-line of any speculating is that it is an admission that one simply doesn't know. I'll just wait to see what happens. You do realize that speculating is the whole point of this forum, right? Is it though? I joined the Bioware original forums, before it was BSN, so that I could lurk and still see all the things that were hidden from non-members. I learned where to find mods for KotOR, how to mod KotOR, what the NWN Lexicon was, and was part of a lively modding community devoted to Bioware games. Then, it became the BSN, and still there was a vibrant modding community, and then there were peddro and the datamining brigade, including our host Cyonan - I came to the BSN to git gud. Now, we have this.... And despair. Bioware no longer supports modding. Bioware no longer believes in their own social network. Bioware no longer develops RPGs exclusively. What the fuck else is there do here but speculate, bitch, or lurk? The Bioware I knew is *poof* gone, and now we stand in the aftermath.
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