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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 5:21:09 GMT
So as it turns out, EA/Bioware never actually went that far out of their way towards making Jaal bisexual... as that is how he was originally coded. Should Bioware be commended for listening to fans and re-enabling Jaal's bisexuality, or should inquiries be made into way they would turn off one of the few gay romance options in the game for Scott Ryder? At the very least, this is a blow to anyone that thinks Bioware went out of their way to code a new romance into the game from scratch. "What's as common as criticism after a game's release? Poking around and uncovering secrets before it. Pre-release, dataminers revealed through some careful code-digging that Jaal's romance path - for both of them, Sara and Scott Ryder - appeared locked down, and fan anticipation rose accordingly. But upon release, no Scott romance. The romance was apparently scrapped at the last moment. And some remnants (ha) remain - like this recorded but never-implemented audio. And in-game, Jaal's interactions with Scott are virtually identical to his dialogue and blocking with Sara, and even in her finished romance scenes, Jaal consistently uses very gender-neutral wording. The only difference between the two (or the mined data) is that Scott Ryder's flirt option is gone. The datamine and interaction comparison suggests that this was done because if asked, Jaal wasn't programmed to turn Scott down. The only way to make him a straight romance is to remove that opportunity. Therefore, the source of fan frustration comes from the implication that Jaal's sexuality has already been changed - from bi to heterosexual - leaving the vestiges of his original orientation behind, just blocked without explanation." nowloading.co/p/fans-want-bioware-make-jaal-bisexual-male-romance/4237270 |
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Post by Pearl on Jul 28, 2017 5:47:30 GMT
Welcome to two months ago?
Anyway, this statement:
can be categorically refuted, as we know they had to write and record new dialogue for the romance. If that's not "going out of their way", I don't know what is.
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Post by phoenix64 on Jul 28, 2017 6:15:18 GMT
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Post by Sarayne on Jul 28, 2017 6:16:07 GMT
Okay?
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 28, 2017 6:21:22 GMT
This... is not new news. Sorry to burst your "Bioware hates you, stop playing Mass Effect!" bubble.
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Post by kino on Jul 28, 2017 6:33:40 GMT
And? Considering it's not news to most anyone who's kept up with that situation this is a pretty lame attempt at...something. I don't even know what the fuck this is about.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 6:36:41 GMT
And? Considering it's not news to most anyone who's kept up with that situation this is a pretty lame attempt at...something. I don't even know what the fuck this is about. It never came up on this forum - the only thing that came up, again and again, was the story that Bioware added an entire new romance to the game out of the goodness of their heart because fans wanted it. If I didn't know about it, you can be sure most people on this forum didn't either. But thanks for staying on topic. I'm curious why they felt the need to remove Jaal's romance with Scott - if I had to guess, it's probably something simple like running out of time and needing to get the game released. |
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Post by isaidlunch on Jul 28, 2017 6:37:29 GMT
That's not true. There are gender specific lines and animations though that had to be added specifically for male Ryder because they weren't in the files. He also shows no interest in men, despite being a disgusting horndog who flirts with women to the point of making them uncomfortable.
There's been controversy in the past with romances being cut for certain races/genders in DAI because of time issues, so it's most likely that's what happened with Jaal if he was intended to be bi.
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Post by kino on Jul 28, 2017 6:41:49 GMT
And? Considering it's not news to most anyone who's kept up with that situation this is a pretty lame attempt at...something. I don't even know what the fuck this is about. It never came up on this forum - the only thing that came up, again and again, was the story that Bioware added an entire new romance to the game out of the goodness of their heart because fans wanted it. If I didn't know about it, you can be sure most people on this forum didn't either. But thanks for staying on topic. I'm curious why they felt the need to remove Jaal's romance with Scott - if I had to guess, it's probably something simple like running out of time and needing to get the game released. I'm guessing you don't spend much time on the Romance part of the forum, do you? |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 28, 2017 6:43:20 GMT
Well, to be fair, the article doesn't say that the entire romance was left in the coding, does it? I mean, sure a line or two of dialogue, a removed conversation prompt, etc was left behind in the code, but that doesn't mean they had a fully fledged romance just ready to go. Pretty sure Tom Taylorson said something about recording additional lines with Jaal's VA for the romance. Probably some new animations, etc. I mean, did they patch in "Blood and Wine"? Obviously not. But I don't think this is suggesting the romance was ready to at the flip of a switch. Some additional work had to be done.
I guess the real question is why did they not go forward with it in the first place?
I'm thinking it was a time thing. If the Kotaku article is to believed, they were just trying to keep the game from falling apart just prior to launch, so maybe they cut a few things they deemed mostly unnecessary or things that weren't quite finished/polished yet in the hopes of not creating another game crash.
At any rate, they patched in the romance, so that's...good? Perhaps a slippery slope (#makesuvibi #makethetempestbi #romancerydersiblings) but I'm happy for the community that requested it. I think the fact that a gay Ryder couldn't get that achievement to romance 3 people was a deciding factor.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 6:43:39 GMT
It never came up on this forum - the only thing that came up, again and again, was the story that Bioware added an entire new romance to the game out of the goodness of their heart because fans wanted it. If I didn't know about it, you can be sure most people on this forum didn't either. But thanks for staying on topic. I'm curious why they felt the need to remove Jaal's romance with Scott - if I had to guess, it's probably something simple like running out of time and needing to get the game released. I'm guessing you don't spend much time on the Romance part of the forum, do you? Most people don't - that's why there's always way less people in that sub-forum. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 28, 2017 6:44:32 GMT
Aaaaahhhhh! What is this and why does it now haunt my dreams?? |
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Post by kino on Jul 28, 2017 6:57:41 GMT
I'm guessing you don't spend much time on the Romance part of the forum, do you? Most people don't - that's why there's always way less people in that sub-forum. hah. Sure, man. Irregardless it puts the lie to your statement "it never came up on this forum." I mean, the fucking article you linked is from April 3rd. Try. Harder. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 7:02:42 GMT
 ..... I was on the BSN's main page and saw this thread was up on the "MEA general discussion" forum.... My thoughts was "don't tell me people are still talking about that stuff".... Adding fuel to the fire ? Seriously, move on. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 7:04:39 GMT
Most people don't - that's why there's always way less people in that sub-forum. hah. Sure, man. Irregardless it puts the lie to your statement "it never came up on this forum." I mean, the fucking article you linked is from April 3rd. Try. Harder. It never came up on this general forum, correct. So the forum that generates the most traffic to this website by far, featuring more active users than all of the other Mass Effect subforums combined. And yet it never came up, here. Do you know what did come up? Comments about how Andromeda clearly isn't dead because of how they're adding entirely new romances to the game from scratch! I actually commented multiple times in threads like that that Bioware probably utilized existing code and pushed it out the door, only to be met with ridicule. So, to address your statement - no, it's not a lie, because... it never came up on this general forum that we're posting on right now. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 28, 2017 7:08:16 GMT
So as it turns out, EA/Bioware never actually went that far out of their way towards making Jaal bisexual... as that is how he was originally coded. Should Bioware be commended for listening to fans and re-enabling Jaal's bisexuality, or should inquiries be made into way they would turn off one of the few gay romance options in the game for Scott Ryder? At the very least, this is a blow to anyone that thinks Bioware went out of their way to code a new romance into the game from scratch. This isn't news. People figured this out before the game was released by looking at the files. Beyond that, you simply have to take note that Jaal was the only squadmate that couldn't be flirted with by Scott, regardless of reaction. For example, Liam was always meant to be straight and so had the dialogue to reject Scott flirting with him. However, the option was absent for Jaal, suggesting that the dialogue existed but that BioWare didn't intend to use it. That said, I don't do alien romances, so I still found it a big failure in the m/m romance department by not allowing something on the order of male Shepard/Kaidan Alenko to exist. Given that BioWare is huge in the romance area, and I'll be frank and say mShenko is what drew me specifically to the MET (though I've since learned to outright love it), so a failure to deliver on that front has left me not playing for a while now. They need to seriously address this in dlc or a sequel to raise my interest. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 7:16:28 GMT
Oh, why is that? I mean, there's a lot of threads that clearly belong in the story lore and game mechanics subforums. I hope you don't forget to point those out as well! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 28, 2017 7:19:40 GMT
Oh, why is that? I mean, there's a lot of threads that clearly belong in the story lore and game mechanics subforums. I hope you don't forget to point those out as well! That subforum doesn't yet exist for MEA. Despite the title, moderators have stated the the story, lore and general discussion is for the MET. Given that, I would make an assumption that the MEA general discussion forum also includes story and lore. |
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Post by isaidlunch on Jul 28, 2017 7:20:35 GMT
If the sub-section titles actually mattered then every thread on that first page (except for one) should be deleted for off-topic discussion. |
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Post by samhain444 on Jul 28, 2017 7:21:26 GMT
First thought was "why was a old thread with old news resurrected?" but, I get it now. Oh, hey, in other ME:A news, rumor has it there were some wonky animations when the game came out...any confirmation on this?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 7:21:55 GMT
If the sub-section titles actually mattered then every thread on that first page (except for one) should be deleted for off-topic discussion. Agreed - I too have an issue of sorts with some of the sub-forums, and how certain threads are conveniently relegated to them, essentially killing them. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 28, 2017 7:24:50 GMT
If the sub-section titles actually mattered then every thread on that first page (except for one) should be deleted for off-topic discussion. Agreed - I too have an issue of sorts with some of the sub-forums, and how certain threads are conveniently relegated to them, essentially killing them.  |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 28, 2017 7:29:39 GMT
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