I hate players who use throw on naked Ascendant

A naked Ascendant should always be thrown as far as possible, without even thinking about it!

Right?

I am not hanging around with a naked Ascendant, no matter what you guys want...

I try to use it to detonate the orb before his shield is down. If I'm alone and getting swarmed I will throw the Ascendant to give me some breathing room. Sometimes the reflexes get the better of me.

I never played plat in ME3:MP and will never play plat in MEA:MP. Too many prima donnas wanting to tell everyone else how to play.

Or ice lol

You mad bro?

Ok, I'll admit to being ignorant here.  Why do I not want to detonate what Vanilla Ice is freezing?  The answer may explain why I suck so bad with the human engineer.

Most of the Cryo effects have heavy Armour Debuff on them as well. Meaning most weapons and other effects deal far more damage than what one detonation would achieve alone (and then re-needing to rebuff again to that state). That is why it is better if Ice'd to simply weapons fire instead.

Although personally, I've been guilty of throwing the odd Throw out there on an Ascendant, but like others have said, normally because they're on low health and one Throw will kill them (normally ninja'd to that though by someone else with Pull or Throw). The same also applies for enemies that have been Ice'd, as quite often by the time the Cryo effect is triggered, I have just triggered my own Throw or Lance that ends up detonating (and removing) the debuff. Normally I remain in weapons mode only at that point, but sometimes I will continue to detonate anyway, as it might be that the Cryo debuff person is the ONLY person using Cryo and everyone else (sometimes even the Cryo person) is using another element (incindiary), which buggers up the debuff anyway if I'm not mistaken. So in those cases, I continue to Lance/Throw once primed.

TBH, mostly using throw on ascendant is no big deal.


It was only (kinda)big deal in that Apex mission... because we get to deal more ascendants than usual and headshot killing was so important.

Many people die in that Apex mission.. not because of others things but terrain ignoring Ascendants continuously push them to the edge and force them out of cover.

I was really trying to kill them fast... but shadow is no good against them if they get thrown away by throw or tech combo... lol  

I am sure I don`t have to explain how painful it is to start all over from destroying the orb again.... lol

On Platinum definitely. Refrain from detonating any Ice'd enemies, as concentrated weapons fire will easily exceed any detonation anyone can trigger. On Gold or lower, it's probably OK to detonate; might upset a few Batarian Scrappers but should be fine most of the time.

And I can't confirm, but from my observations, the incindiary and cryo effects do cancel each other, so if that's the case (team is weapon boosted with Incindiary) you can ignore any Cryo icing of enemies and just go crazy with weapons fire or detonating.

There's ample discussion of the Cryo debuff in the Numerical Damage thread, for example
bsn.boards.net/post/706918/thread

and
bsn.boards.net/thread/10254/cryo-beam-damage-bonus-question?page=1&scrollTo=666620

See also 'Snap Freeze Snowball' in the Numerical Data Masterbook on reddit, docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12FgX1J0dlwNks__49P-8E9pu0jyUAcwdPf0wDQ1Epno/edit#gid=1942934463

Fire effects (including ammo) cancels the debuff. Detonating it cancels the debuff. Shooting with more Cryo does not cancel the debuff and in fact is beneficial in the hands of a Human Engineer. (His 'Snap Freeze' passive only cares about Cryo, *not* about where it came from!) Shooting with Disruptor also does not cancel the debuff but does overwrite it which is probably pointless.

The bolded part is why you don't want to mix Flamer Turret and Cryo Beam (not that you should ever have 6 ranks in Turret anyway), and also why Krogan Mercenies / Turian Agents + Human Engineers are not a good team.

If you want to test this for yourself, go find some Berserkers and freeze them with Cryo Beam, then shoot them and notice how smooth they go down.
Now repeat the test but detonate the Cryo Beam with Overload, and notice how much longer it takes to kill them.

I do this, but it was because I caved to peer pressure.

↑↑↑This, Gold and under who cares. Platinum let those big boys with armor bars stay chilled so the team and focus them down nice and easy.

Now question if anyone can drop a knowledge bomb on me real quick, armor in Mass Effect Andromeda is like it was in ME3? You know where enemies without being debuffed took like 40% reduced damage. Now if this is the case in Andromeda does a 100% Armor debuff from Cryo Beam or the Assault Turret make the enemy take more damage than normal or just completely negate the effects of the armors default damage mitigation?